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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2610 –
India:  10M fully vaccinated and 73M doses administered so, yes, they're doing OK.

Their fatalities per million is quite low at 118 (Sweden's is 1,3K).  However, India has a very young demographic and it is argued that their CFR (1.7 late last year) should be considerably lower.  (see https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/19452829.2020.1863026).

Then there's the fact that India's CFR has been around 3.0 for much of the pandemic and it is widely believed that both infections and deaths are grossly under-reported.  That said, their “early identification and clinical management of cases” has been very effective and they don't use Hydroxychloroquine or the BioCharger NG  :)  
“Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?”  Oddball

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2611 –
Quote from: flyboy77 on
I'll quantify it.

118 deaths per million. Pick a country of any significance, India's done way better.

#120 in the 'rankings'.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

All that in a poor country with many extremely high density populations.

And that's before the classification of deaths fudge that seems prevalent globally.....

Kudos to them.

Is it possible that they're numbers aren't accurate?

Does their climate make a difference?

The irony is not lost on me that our most densely populated city and arguably coolest climate combination has seen the highest number of cases. 

Im happy to go through the route of zinc and any other prophylactic that works.

Where this argument falls over for me on both arguments for and against is that it seems to be a. Zero sum game when India are doing what you say they are and yet they're also vaccinating.

For anyone who wants to argue any point against this post, consider the following.  If the vaccines don't work what else do we have??
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2612 –
Quote from: Thryleon on
Is it possible that they're numbers aren't accurate?
I would suggest that like China, their numbers are total BS and anyone who believes them also believes in the Easter Bunny.
By the way Happy Easter to all those who celebrate it.
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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2613 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton on
I would suggest that like China, their numbers are total BS and anyone who believes them also believes in the Easter Bunny.
By the way Happy Easter to all those who celebrate it.
The less mobile the populations the slower the spread, this has been confirmed in Africa by even more virulent diseases than COVID, it's the jet setting types like the USA and Europe that have the biggest short-term problems with an early rapid rise.

India, Africa, parts of Sth America and maybe even Indonesia will be a slow rise, but they won't be immune. However, countries like Indonesia already have a strong mask use ethic, they've been doing it for decades just because of the pollution.

The slow burn in the low mobility regions is a big part of the case to argue for wealthy nations to donate vaccine to poorer nations, because the waves might not have even hit yet. If they are not assisted they might bring down the global effort 12 or 18 months from now!
The Force Awakens!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2614 –
Quote from: LP on
The less mobile the populations the slower the spread, this has been confirmed in Africa by even more virulent diseases than COVID, it's the jet setting types like the USA and Europe that have the biggest short-term problems with an early rapid rise.

India, Africa, parts of Sth America and maybe even Indonesia will be a slow rise, but they won't be immune. However, countries like Indonesia already have a strong mask use ethic, they've been doing it for decades just because of the pollution.

The slow burn in the low mobility regions is a big part of the case to argue for wealthy nations to donate vaccine to poorer nations, because the waves might not have even hit yet. If they are not assisted they might bring down the global effort 12 or 18 months from now!
Mate, come on.
India 1.4B people and 160K deaths? I wouldn't believe that if Jesus Christ came down and provided written evidence. Bodies floating down the Ganges at the best times, turn it up.
As for China with their 93K cases and 4600 deaths out of 1.44B people, I just piss myself laughing, they think we are DH's.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2615 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton on
Mate, come on.
India 1.4B people and 160K deaths? I wouldn't believe that if Jesus Christ came down and provided written evidence. Bodies floating down the Ganges at the best times, turn it up.
As for China with their 93K cases and 4600 deaths out of 1.44B people, I just piss myself laughing, they think we are DH's.
We have no control over various regions regarding how they classify and report deaths, in just the same way that there is no universal power plug.

Some regions might record someone who is hospitalised with severe COVID and dies from cardiac issues as heart failure, while another region might classify a terminal cancer patient who dies with mild COVID as a COVID death, just accept it is what it is!

Just like some claim it is fate, some it's God's will, while others tell you it's a conspiracy!
The Force Awakens!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2616 –
Quote from: LP on
We have no control over various regions regarding how they classify and report deaths, in just the same way that there is no universal power plug.

Some regions might record someone who is hospitalised with severe COVID and dies from cardiac issues as heart failure, while another region might classify a terminal cancer patient who dies with mild COVID as a COVID death, just accept it is what it is!

Just like some claim it is fate, some it's God's will, while others tell you it's a conspiracy!
Be lucky if they record anything in some areas, a lot of the people wouldn't even be recorded as born.The Sikhs in the Punjab would be organised and parts of Mumbai where its wealthy and perhaps down in Goa, and the arombol tourist areas where its like little Russia but the rest of the country is a mess clouded in politics and poverty.
They are using their own vaccine which also was very rushed and even their own medical gurus have doubts on its effectiveness.
They are also producing the AstraZ and are responsible for about half the world's vaccines being made overall. Their test and trace system for covid cases is also next to useless which is hardly surprising so I'm not sure how they could accurately maintain a vaccine database etc.. and yep I have seen India up close and I have no interest in revisiting.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2617 –
The wheels seem to have fallen off India's COVID-19 program; new infections have shot up to over 100K per day.  That is going to put a huge strain on an already inadequate health system.
“Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?”  Oddball

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2618 –
Well here is a coincidence of major proportions.

I've know a work associate who's refused to get tested for COVID despite showing some symptoms, further he wouldn't isolate and kept coming to work claiming it was just a cold, this was 3 or 4 months back. Now today we hear he's off to a specialist, guess why?

It seems he's been feeling poorly and after blood tests they discovered he has a low platelet count and possibly a blockage in some leg capillaries. He hasn't yet had the vaccine! I bet if he gets the vaccine he tells everyone it's to blame!

What I don't get is that they haven't tested him for COVID anti-bodies, or at least if they have he isn't telling anybody which wouldn't be a surprise, and the COVID App is not notifying anyone in his vicinity.
The Force Awakens!
 

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2619 –
The Brazil variant P1 is a worry. Apparently, it has gained a foothold in Canada and we have to hope it doesn’t hop on a plane to Oz. Apparenly, it’s on the loose in the Whistler alpine resort and that is a favourite of some Australians. IIRC, some rich arseholes caused outrage in the early days of Covid when they flew back from a US ski resort and ignored warnings to isolate, spreading it at various social gatherings.

Seems P1 is twice as transmissible and is much likelier to infect young people and make them seriously ill. We’ve staved off Covid and that gave us the time to immunise the population but Scotty from Marketing has blown that opportunity :-X

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2620 –
Quote from: Mav on
The Brazil variant P1 is a worry. Apparently, it has gained a foothold in Canada and we have to hope it doesn’t hop on a plane to Oz. Apparenly, it’s on the loose in the Whistler alpine resort and that is a favourite of some Australians. IIRC, some rich arseholes caused outrage in the early days of Covid when they flew back from a US ski resort and ignored warnings to isolate, spreading it at various social gatherings.

Seems P1 is twice as transmissible and is much likelier to infect young people and make them seriously ill. We’ve staved off Covid and that gave us the time to immunise the population but Scotty from Marketing has blown that opportunity :-X
Yes, the infamous Portsea/Sorrento cafe troupé!

Was it in fact Whistler they returned from or Aspen, I recall them being labelled the Aspen Spreaders? iirc They came back and said it's nothing more than a cold, then the media reported they had their own Private ICU setup at home, as you do for a cold. But went down the road for a latte and muffin anyway! ::)

btw., I agree, the new variants prevalence to infect U30s at twice the going rate is the most worrying aspect. That puts it in the Secondary School range, and as it stands we are months and months away from getting vaccines into that population, including the staff.

Scotty has turned into a marketing dud!
The Force Awakens!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2621 –
They returned from Aspen which is in the US. Didn’t one of them go to an 18th b/day party as well?

Whistler is near Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada. I heard/read a commentator say it’s popular with Aussies. Unfortunately, the Vancouver Canucks, the NHL team, is assuming most of the team has been infected with the P1 variant given how quickly it has gone thru the team.

Covid 19: 5 Things to Know about the P1 Variant Spreading in B.C., Vancouver Sun.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2622 –
https://www.9news.com.au/national/european-agency-confirms-astrazeneca-coronavirus-vaccine-blood-clot-link/adc34eaf-0f14-463e-8e28-d4191273b4a5

A top official at the European Medicines Agency (EMA) said there is a causal link between AstraZeneca's coronavirus vaccine and rare blood clots.
However it remains unclear what the connection is and whether the benefits of taking the shot still outweigh the risks of getting COVID-19.
Marco Cavaleri, head of health threats and vaccine strategy at the Amsterdam-based agency, told Rome's Il Messaggero newspaper on Tuesday there's a clear association between the AstraZeneca vaccine and the dozens of rare blood clots reported worldwide amid the tens of millions of AstraZeneca shots that have been given out.
“It is becoming more and more difficult to affirm that there isn’t a cause-and-effect relationship between AstraZeneca vaccines and the very rare cases of blood clots associated with a low level of platelets,” Mr Cavaleri said.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2623 –
Interesting. We’ll have to watch this space.

The person who wrote the article needs to work on terminology. The scientists steered clear of saying there is a causal link, Cavaleri carefully parsing his words by saying it’s “becoming more and more difficult to affirm that there isn’t a cause-and-effect relationship”. But the scribe “filled in the gaps “ by asserting a “link”, “causal link” and “connection”. The trick is to rely on direct quotes rather than some journo’s interpretation of them.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2624 –
There is a link for sure between AstraZ and blood clotting IMHO, but its a bit like when car companies recall a model that might have serious problems. They only recall them when it gets to a certain number of deaths caused by the faults if its something like brake failure or an airbag crushing a few chest cavities. They work out the cutoff point where the litigation's start to make it too costly and they need to fix the problem forcing a recall.