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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2925
Anyone else get the suspicion this lockdown is going to last longer than a week?

I guess 2 at least, and in a worst case scenario where cases are still spreading we might even stretch out to 4 weeks.

The high school becoming a hotspot is about as worst case scenario as it gets.  First the kids give it to each other, then they take it home, then they take it out on the weekend to the footy, their local basketball competition, then spread it to the opposition players.

Its a contact tracers nightmare about to unfold.  Before anyone states this is rubbish, we have been living life with relative normality and over the last fortnight, speaking for myself, I saw a very lacsadaisacal approach to QR code checkins, as well as just general public behaviour.

Its like the pandemic ended and people were back to their selfish selves.
I'd be thinking all of June.....case numbers are only going up and I think the contact tracing cant handle now what is
a decent spread of sites and unknowns.
Agree on the slack approach too, not everyone wearing masks and social distancing also hit and miss, you get tired of pointing to the marks on floor in shops and having to direct people in supermarkets who want to rush through the checkouts and end up breathing down your neck at the cashier.
re: Athletes..  a lot of them end up at the private ERs like Cabrini, where they get quick treatment and get to see a specialist sooner.
If you close down the private hospitals, and private schools you will only be dumping those patients/students into the public system and making the waiting times longer and the class sizes larger.
Like it or not we need the private systems and celebs/athletes do benefit because of their wealth and connections, its often unfair but until funding improves to the public system thats the way it is.
We are lucky the under resourced public hospitals and staff do such a good job in the main to handle the workload because the pollies couldnt care less..

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2926
This isn’t the thread to get into the weeds concerning private schools and the like. But can I just quickly point out that the funding model Howard brought in requires the Federal Govt to match increases in funding to needy Govt schools with increases of private school funding. Build some extra classrooms in underesourced schools and you need to build a 2nd or 3rd swimming pool at Scotch College. Anyway, that’s my recollection of this nonsense and I’m happy to be corrected.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2927
There are now about 20 randomized clinical trials (RCTs) of ivermectin for covid. They overwhelmingly show reductions in mortality, when used in adequate doses and in patients who are in early enough stages of the disease.

The Kory et al review encompasses both observational and RCT data. It was published in early May in a peer-reviewed journal, the American Journal of Therapeutics, and is already the most-viewed paper in the journal’s history.

https://journals.lww.com/americantherapeutics/Fulltext/2021/06000/Review_of_the_Emerging_Evidence_Demonstrating_the.4.aspx

The Bryant, Lawrie meta analysis is very rigorous (only considers the RCTs etc) and reaches similar conclusions: about a 70% relative reduction in mortality when used in adequate doses and early enough.

https:2.1//osf.io/k37ft/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2ju5v4TAaQ&t=1166s
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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2928
Meta analysis is analysing data from trials previously completed, some of the trials forming part of the analysis were completed almost a decade before COVID-19.

All the of the trials used at least one other drug like doxycycline or azithromycin in conjunction with ivermectin, a cocktail of pharmaceuticals, they don't know why they worked or what they worked on because the meta analysis required no analysis of secondary infections.

No specific direct treatment or prophylaxis of SARS-CoV-2 virus was demonstrated, the papers are analysis the survival of illness post COVID-19 illness, but many trials do not differentiate mild illness versus severe illness, they are just lumped into the same category.

Really these studies repeatedly demonstrate just how serious COVID-19 is and why vaccination is so important. If you get a SARS-CoV-2 infection and develop COVID-19 you are at great risk of becoming very ill from secondary infections requiring a suite of pharmaceuticals to assist, there is no silver bullet to make you better.

SARS-CoV-2 is the virus, ............... COVID-19 is the disease that SARS-CoV-2 causes........ COVID-19 is a complex set of symptoms and infections.
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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2929
This lock down is a total joke - town is inundated with visitors. Cruising around in their heritage cars etc.   Usual stuff - "sun's out,  flogs out".
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2930
A staffer at a nursing home in Melbournes West now with CoVid and no link to the other cases, its getting out of control slowly and
I cant see the lockdown lifted for a while. Winter has been a bad time for other countries and its looking that way in Melbourne which is the CoVid capital of Australia. Read this morning although the contact tracing has improved in Victoria it still isnt as good as NSW, why is that after all the grief we had previously?, the Victorian system should be the best given it should have had extra resources, training etc provided.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2931
A staffer at a nursing home in Melbournes West now with CoVid and no link to the other cases, its getting out of control slowly and
I cant see the lockdown lifted for a while. Winter has been a bad time for other countries and its looking that way in Melbourne which is the CoVid capital of Australia. Read this morning although the contact tracing has improved in Victoria it still isnt as good as NSW, why is that after all the grief we had previously?, the Victorian system should be the best given it should have had extra resources, training etc provided.

EB it has to be linked to another case, they just haven't made the link yet.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2932
EB it has to be linked to another case, they just haven't made the link yet.
GTC, I get it has to come from somewhere but clearly there is going to be a time gap on this one which means it will spread further. I liked the bit too that said staff at the nursing home will now wear full PPE gear??..... er  shouldnt they have been wearing full PPE gear anyway in a home with previous cases last time.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2933
GTC, I get it has to come from somewhere but clearly there is going to be a time gap on this one which means it will spread further. I liked the bit too that said staff at the nursing home will now wear full PPE gear??..... er  shouldnt they have been wearing full PPE gear anyway in a home with previous cases last time.
How the residents of the aged care homes weren't mostly vaccinated months ago is a disgrace!

They've been left to the will of the Scotty's God of Happy Clappers!
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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2934
So much for a "closed circuit" 7 day shutdown.  Absolutely stooged again, for the fourth time.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2935
I’d love to see the initial spreaders prosecuted. Fair chance they’d drunk the right-wing Kool-Aid and believed Covid Is no worse than the flu and they’d do the community a favour by spreading it so we can reach herd immunity. How else do you explain that this small number of people travelled around Melbourne more than a tourist would? And a 60 and 70 year old failed to seek any testing or treatment for 12 days only to see the 70 year old end up in ICU on a ventilator. Neither of them were vaccinated despite being eligible for months. Has all the hallmarks of a IDGAF about anybody else mentality.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2936
A staffer at a nursing home in Melbournes West now with CoVid and no link to the other cases, its getting out of control slowly and
I cant see the lockdown lifted for a while. Winter has been a bad time for other countries and its looking that way in Melbourne which is the CoVid capital of Australia. Read this morning although the contact tracing has improved in Victoria it still isnt as good as NSW, why is that after all the grief we had previously?, the Victorian system should be the best given it should have had extra resources, training etc provided.


I heard an epidemiologist on the wireless this morning stating that the system was well on top of the outbreak, ie the source of all cases is or will be known shortly and most new cases have already been isolating.  He could see no reason to extend the lockdown.

I hope he's right  :-\
“Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?”  Oddball

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2937
Meta analysis is analysing data from trials previously completed, some of the trials forming part of the analysis were completed almost a decade before COVID-19.

All the of the trials used at least one other drug like doxycycline or azithromycin in conjunction with ivermectin, a cocktail of pharmaceuticals, they don't know why they worked or what they worked on because the meta analysis required no analysis of secondary infections.

No specific direct treatment or prophylaxis of SARS-CoV-2 virus was demonstrated, the papers are analysis the survival of illness post COVID-19 illness, but many trials do not differentiate mild illness versus severe illness, they are just lumped into the same category.

Really these studies repeatedly demonstrate just how serious COVID-19 is and why vaccination is so important. If you get a SARS-CoV-2 infection and develop COVID-19 you are at great risk of becoming very ill from secondary infections requiring a suite of pharmaceuticals to assist, there is no silver bullet to make you better.

SARS-CoV-2 is the virus, ............... COVID-19 is the disease that SARS-CoV-2 causes........ COVID-19 is a complex set of symptoms and infections.

Thanks for letting me know what a meta analysis is...

You know far more than all these experts. Right, how silly of me, of course you do.

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The first finding was that ivermectin substantially reduces death amongst hospitalised patients with mild, moderate or severe covid-19. Six randomised controlled trials (RCTs) were included and the pooled estimate of reduction in the risk of death was 83% (95% CI 67-92%). “We don’t know what the precise estimate is, but even if it is on the lower estimate or even half as good it is still a substantial reduction in deaths”, say Dr Lawrie.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTTqKSYHOM8&t=105s

Do you just make stuff up? That's problematic.

Do you work for one of the pharma companies? That would make sense.

https://ivmmeta.com/

Meanwhile, back in the real world, and in Oz, 210 deaths are potentially attributable to the vaccines rollout.

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To 23 May 2021, 3.6 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines have been given in Australia. In this period, the TGA has received 210 reports of deaths following immunisation – 109 have been reported for the Pfizer vaccine, 94 for the AstraZeneca vaccine and seven where the vaccine was not specified. Most of these reports (93%) were for people 65 years of age and over, and over three quarters were 75 years of age and over.

https://www.tga.gov.au/periodic/covid-19-vaccine-weekly-safety-report-27-05-2021




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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2938
So some silly scrag at a protest yesterday was shown on the news breathing heavily on people. She was arrested (I think) by police, turns out she's an aged care worker. What farken hope have we got?
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #2939
So some silly scrag at a protest yesterday was shown on the news breathing heavily on people. She was arrested (I think) by police, turns out she's an aged care worker. What farken hope have we got?

Who was she breathing on?
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!