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The problem statistic for that argument is as @DJC points out, total deaths have dropped. That statistic tears the concept you are asserting a new one!

Do you think every death is reported...?

Only one side of the debate is massaging numbers, the fake news vendors. That is where you go wrong trying to paint it as a level playing field of information. It isn't a level playing field, all the information is not the same quality, in just the same way all opinions are not equal.

The stats and numbers do not lie, they are not subject to human interpretation, influence or obfuscation, they are not like opinions that can be spun bent or twisted to an individuals will!

The emphasis on wanting COVID-19 deaths proven to support or refute the COVID-19 restrictions and other actions is also flawed, it's built on the premise that COVID-19 infections that aren't deadly are somehow OK! The evidence suggests the long term effects of long COVID-19 will potentially be far far costlier than the initial deaths. As abhorrent as it may read, a funeral is far far cheaper than a treatment or long term critical care!

You are asserting something yourself here.

That the statistics gathered are reliable accurate, and not embelished in any way shape or form.  That any potential deaths attributed to vaccinations are not attributed to vaccinations but other causes, and that any one who is listed as a covid death, died because they got covid.

Deliberately muddying long covid into there is a bit false.  The current batch are as asymptomatic as it gets unless they are reporting something I am missing.

You are confusing the data with the interpretation here.  You state the data doesnt lie, but those giving us the statistics are interpreting the data themselves, ergo, they create the ability to hide things they dont want to display and vice versa, to pick up things they do.  That vaccine deaths are correlation, and that covid deaths are causation is itself, an interpretation.  Hence why Peru's numbers are changing based on advise from people internationally.

If we are talking about here in Australia, yes every death is reported and accounted for.

It regards to the global statistics, it doesn't matter as long as the method of collecting them is consistent then the count remains valid.


Writing a death certificate and reporting a death are two different things..
It is a cause of death certificate not a comorbidity certificate.
Incidental diseases or medical conditions that the patient had but did not cause or contribute to the death
should not be included on a ‘death certificate but often they are when the cause of death is not verifiable without an autopsy and not every death that appears on a coroners inbox will get that far especially with the clogged waiting lists.

Not sure what you want to assert @ElwoodBlues1‍ , the position you take seems at best arbitrary.

It reads like you assert there are deaths from vaccine that are not counted, and deaths from non-COVID or COVID-Comorbidity that are counted as COVID, you want both sides of the coin to match your call! I'd assert that is a fantasy position, unrelated to the real world.

I'd also revert to @DJC‍ point, the reality is that for your assertions to be true the total deaths would have to deviate significantly from the mean, because deaths caused by the COVID-19 vaccines or COVID-19 Comorbidities did not exist 2 years ago and a significant percentage of such deaths can only be "in addition to" not "instead of" other deaths! In areas where COVID-19 is rampant, that deviation is clear, you do no need any statistical tricks, institutional conspiracies or math errors to hide or expose it!

No matter whether you think the COVID-19 numbers are accurate or not, the baseline trends no longer meet the historical data in some regions by orders of magnitude. This is the power of big data.

In the US, people were reported as dying from Covid despite never actually taking a Covid test.

In the early days of Covid, hospitals in the US didn’t have enough test kits. Doctors were told to use the kits they had on the living to determine who needed treatment. Consequently, the dead weren’t tested. That doesn’t mean they couldn’t be classed as Covid victims if their symptoms warranted it.

Just because a full autopsy isn’t conducted on someone whose head has been obliterated by a shotgun doesn’t mean the cause of death can’t be attributed to gunshot.

In the early days of Covid, hospitals in the US didn’t have enough test kits. Doctors were told to use the kits they had on the living to determine who needed treatment. Consequently, the dead weren’t tested. That doesn’t mean they couldn’t be classed as Covid victims if their symptoms warranted it.

Just because a full autopsy isn’t conducted on someone whose head has been obliterated by a shotgun doesn’t mean the cause of death can’t be attributed to gunshot.