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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #4125 –
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Unbelievable! The traffic controller at the Moonee Valley Covid Testing site who tested positive had refused the vaccine. The unvaccinated shouldn’t be employed in jobs where they’re likely to come into contact with infected people . Sack any who aren’t vaccinated.
And did I hear correctly that he visited his GF at the Maribyrnong apartment that was in total isolation? Sack and fine the kent and his GF immediately.
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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #4126 –
Myth busters.

1.  The unvaccinated guy may not have refused a vaccine, he just wasn't vaccinated.  Not long ago, they were turning people away for first dose because Pfizer wasn't available.

2.  He wasn't involved in close contact with people being tested he just worked at the site in moonee valley.

3.  He visited his girlfriend at the Newport apartments that have resulted in them being shut down, not whilst they were shut down.

Now I've got that out of the way, I'll post another myth buster.

Yes its true, vaccination doesn't stop you catching nor spreading the virus, BUT if you did catch covid the window of viral shedding and load, will likely be smaller in someone who is vaccinated vs someone unvaccinated.

You could argue that someone vaccinated might be more likely to spread it if they ignore mild symptoms because they might not even know they're sick, but either way there's no guarantees.



https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.abc.net.au/article/100332454



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Paul Hewson

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #4127 –
Quote from: Thryleon on
Myth busters.

1.  The unvaccinated guy may not have refused a vaccine, he just wasn't vaccinated.  Not long ago, they were turning people away for first dose because Pfizer wasn't available.
The media report was that he was offered the vaccine and turned it down.  I don’t post rumours drawn from social media or Snowy from the Pub.

2.  He wasn't involved in close contact with people being tested he just worked at the site in moonee valley.
We’d better hope he caught it at the testing sire and that’s the working theory of authorities. All it takes is a conversation with someone coming for a test. If this assumption is incorrect, then there’s a mystery case in the community who infected him at some unknown place. That’ll ring alarm bells.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #4128 –
Quote from: Mav on


What constitutes refusal of a vaccine anyway?

Did he sign a waiver saying he wouldn't get one?

According to the abc article i googled this is the quote:

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"It's an important point that this individual was not having really close, direct contact with people coming through those testing sites, as someone who was assessing to direct traffic," he said.

I know people refusing to take a vaccine that currently are health care workers and will get one on their terms.

You see a lot in our health care networks.  I know people who have some trepidation in vaccination.   They're delaying for now but not refusing.   I imagine this guy is similar.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #4129 –
Online dictionary definition of ‘refuse’:
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indicate that one is not willing to accept or grant (something offered or requested).
"she refused a cigarette"
A refusal can be a one-time-only thing. Running with the example of the woman who refused a cigarette, she may well have accepted a cigarette the next time one was offered.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #4130 –
Or she could be a foaming at the mouth anti smoker, we’ll never know.
Let’s go BIG !

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #4131 –
It looks as though we Victorians have dodged a bullet, though. Apparently, the Traffic Controller’s close contacts have all tested negative so far, so the chances are he didn’t infect anyone.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #4132 –
Any advocates of letting it run free before enough of the population are vaccinated need to have a good look at how it all went wrong for Netherland over the last two months. Spiking at 11,000 cases a day two weeks ago, and still sitting at 3,500 cases a day at the moment despite starting the countries hardest lockdown so far back in early June.

https://www.google.com/search?client=opera&q=netherland+covid&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

They get to find out over the next few weeks how bad it could get as the deaths lag infections by about 3 to 4 weeks on average, although that lag/delay is lengthening as doctors get better at treating COVID-19.

Netherland only had about 35% of the population fully vaccinated when it opened up, when the Sars-CoV-2 specialists were telling them they needed more than 75% vaccinated. The politicians ignored the advice.

Gladys placed a similar bet! :o
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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #4133 –
We can also look at the UK. They have a vaccination rate we can only dream about 56% fully vaccinated (with the rate of vaccination for over-18s being about 88% for 1 dose & 70-80% fully vaccinated). When Boris Johnson dropped all restrictions on 'Freedom Day', the fear was the UK would unleash Covid on the world. But infection rates are going down. This is a hopeful sign: vaccinate over 60% (and preferably 80%) of the population and get back to living without Covid causing mayhem. Fingers crossed things go well in the UK.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #4134 –
Quote from: Mav on
We can also look at the UK. They have a vaccination rate we can only dream about, 88% or thereabouts. When Boris Johnson dropped all restrictions on 'Freedom Day', the fear was the UK would unleash Covid on the world. But infection rates are going down. This is a hopeful sign: vaccinate over 80% of the population and get back to living without Covid causing mayhem. Fingers crossed things go well in the UK.
I think you should relate those figures to @shawny‍ , the UK's result is supporting proof that vaccination helps reduce infections and reduce transmission.
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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #4135 –
The CDC is concerned that vaccinated people infected with Covid are as infectious as unvaccinated people who are infected. Studies suggest that (of course, more work needs to be done). That's why the CDC changed its advice to require masks indoors and out regardless of vaccination status.

However, if vaccines prevent a good percentage of recipients from getting Covid, then that reduces the rate of infection in the population. 

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #4136 –
Quote from: Mav on
The CDC is concerned that vaccinated people infected with Covid are as infectious as unvaccinated people who are infected. Studies suggest that (of course, more work needs to be done). That's why the CDC changed its advice to require masks indoors and out regardless of vaccination status.

However, if vaccines prevent a good percentage of recipients from getting Covid, then that reduces the rate of infection in the population.
I think the problem is that public compliance is often taken for granted, but public compliance rarely is ever matches the guidelines. The UK found this out when they did some large scale studies of sporting events, public compliance with the rules was apparently below 15%, and the biggest problem was exposed to be public behaviour around the events not in the venue. The homes, pubs and clubs people gathered at before or after. I suspect the same will apply with office workers on the morning coffee run or post work socialising!

The fundamental is that for compliant behaviour the vaccines seem to reduce both infection and transmission, but if people change their behaviour too radically the level of exposure changes and the figures then vary. I heard a couple of experts on podcasts a few weeks back who predicted this "over-correction" in public behaviour would cause a spike in the UK that should quickly settle.

Ideally the correct public path is cautious freedom, not unlimited celebration!

I suppose the worry is that being vaccinated encourages people to slack off and not to follow the rules that keep unvaccinated people safe.
The Force Awakens!
 

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #4137 –
CNN reporting an internal CDC document warns Delta infections are likely more severe and Delta is spread as easily as chickenpox. Further, there are about 35,000 breakthrough infections per week in the US.

The good news in the report: vaccines are still 90% effective in preventing hospitalisation or death (a 25-fold reduction). The rate of breakthrough infections is minute given there are 75 million vaccinated people in the US (0.046%).

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #4138 –
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CNN reporting an internal CDC document warns Delta infections are likely more severe and Delta is spread as easily as chickenpox.
It's hard to acknowledge that post when the only option is a "Like" button!   :(
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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #4139 –
Apparently, the CDC report actually suggests vaccines are 80% effective rather than 90%; in other words, there’s a bit of a dip, particularly with older and immuno-suppressed people. The R0  is reportedly between 5 and 9 whereas the original R0 was between 2 and 3.