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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #4395 –
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I’m sure if you splashed hydrochloric acid over the Covid virus in a Petri dish, those suckers wouldn’t last long. In fact, if you put a Covid patient into a hydrochloric acid bath, that would kill the virus too.
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And it seems the initial testing involved high doses:
A bit of an understatement.

A recent Nature article suggests that not only were the results unreproducible as part of a number of replication studies, the dose of the horse worming drug Ivermectin was so so high that if you administered it to the general public you would destroy the kidneys of a large percentage of patients! They mentioned that the dose used which produced sporadic results in a petri dish was hundreds of times the normal dose.

Anyway, they already know that if you administer Ivermectin to millions of patients, even at the normal dose levels, you will end up with hundreds of hospitalisations per million from Ivermectin side-effects with some of those people ultimately requiring life long dialysis.

Ivermectin, which is neither a treatment or a prophylactic for Sars-CoV-2, is just touted by COVID-19 sceptics as part of a rock throwing exercise.

FYI, feedback on the main major Ivermectin study used to boost it's efficacy;
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“The authors claimed they conducted the study between the 8th of June and 20th of September 2020, however most of the patients who died were admitted into hospital and died before the 8th of June according to the raw data. The data was also terribly formatted, and includes one patient who left hospital on the non-existent date of 31/06/2020.”

There were other concerns.
“In their paper, the authors claim that four out of 100 patients died in their standard treatment group for mild and moderate Covid-19,” Lawrence said. “According to the original data the number was 0, the same as the ivermectin treatment group. In their ivermectin treatment group for severe Covid-19, the authors claim two patients died, but the number in their raw data is four.”
So they are caught out manipulating the data and patient records to make Ivermectin look good! Of course to lay people 2 or 4 doesn't sound like much, but the study was so small that 2 or 4 is all the deaths that occurred in the study group, so erasing a couple deaths here or adding a couple of survivors there results in a +50% improvement!

When the raw data was re-analysed with out the manipulated figures, the results matched closely with all the replication studies, and that finding is patients in the Ivermectin trial survived or perished by chance!
The Force Awakens!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #4396 –
Without digging too deeply into stats, numbers or what not, I can categorically state that people i know are all experiencing lockdown fatigue on some level and a lot of them are really struggling with this now.

Its very easy to sit there and state "do the right thing" when the right thing is very much putting lives on hold for a lengthy period of time, all to stop the spread in a group of people who seem determined to do the exact opposite. 

I dont have the answers, but I post this here to try and get some people to exercise even one modicum of human emotion/empathy rather than sitting on their high horse, telling the world how their dictatorship should run.

I watched EPL with full crowds over the weekend.  Are we sure we are getting this approach correct?

"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #4397 –
But the beauty of submitting fraudulent studies is that their retraction or rejection down the track leaves meta-analysis studies which incorporated those studies standing. So, skewing the meta-analysis studies by fraudulent BS allows the BS artists to cite good faith meta-analyses and medical/scientific opinions based upon them to support their arguments down the track. This is yet another Trump-style tactic such as when he was trying to strong-arm the DOJ to "Just say that the election was corrupt & leave the rest to me". You just need a figleaf to hide your fraudulent manipulations.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #4398 –
Rumour is the curfew is coming back.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #4399 –
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Rumour is the curfew is coming back.
I'm moving to Italy
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #4400 –
Yep, heard that rumour too. I couldn't give a feck about empathising with those who break a law that's trying to keep people healthy. Just follow the damn law. By the way, I just love that we need to empathise with scofflaws when there's zero empathy shown by some towards those who take a knee or refuse to stand during the national anthem (which is no crime at all) as a protest against racism.

The only way to avoid lockdowns in the near future is to try to stamp out Covid. Suppression rather than elimination is a fine theory but as NSW has shown it's not possible to keep new case numbers stable once you have it in the community. You need to resort to harsher lockdowns/restrictions to avoid it growing exponentially. And if people want to blow off restrictions because they're too important to be part of community action for the common good, then the restrictions will only grow more invasive. 

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #4401 –
I knew it was coming, 3 day lockdown in Darwin and top end NT.
Guy released from NSW quarantine, passed through Canberra enroute  to Darwin has tested positive.
Let’s go BIG !

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #4402 –
If you were a cynic, you'd wonder whether NSW is deliberately exporting Covid to avoid being isolated.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #4403 –
You can't put an old head on the young shoulders who think they're immune ... baseball bats.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #4404 –
A 9pm to 5am curfew in Melbourne metro area being talked about according to news report on 3AW.
Reality always wins in the end.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #4405 –
Quote from: Mav on
Yep, heard that rumour too. I couldn't give a feck about empathising with those who break a law that's trying to keep people healthy. Just follow the damn law. By the way, I just love that we need to empathise with scofflaws when there's zero empathy shown by some towards those who take a knee or refuse to stand during the national anthem (which is no crime at all) as a protest against racism.

The only way to avoid lockdowns in the near future is to try to stamp out Covid. Suppression rather than elimination is a fine theory but as NSW has shown it's not possible to keep new case numbers stable once you have it in the community. You need to resort to harsher lockdowns/restrictions to avoid it growing exponentially. And if people want to blow off restrictions because they're too important to be part of community action for the common good, then the restrictions will only grow more invasive. 

This is why people like you are dangerous.

You are the type that would go around dobbing people in, in nazi germany "because they aint following the rules" only to find out, that the people harbouring Jews knew they were going to get killed, so risked their own lives to save them. 

Lockdowns are here to stay, as per Mark McGowans statements regarding 0 tolerance to covid approach with or without 80% vaccination.

"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #4406 –
No, you're exactly the type to have dobbed in the Jews. My oh my, you would have hated how they separated themselves from the rest of the community, just like indigenous Australians. They shouldn't get any protection until someone tracks down those 2 people who insulted you about your Greek heritage.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #4407 –
The NSW premier just said even if they had 80% vaccination we would still have restrictions with 400 cases a day.
We are going to be locked up for a long time.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!
 

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #4408 –
Curfew back, playgrounds closed, work permits required. For 20 cases a day. Dictator Dan is back!
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #4409 –
No, it's because of 600 cases a day or worse. That's how exponential growth works.