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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #4440 –
Imagine how the CMOs are sleeping now, Cookie.

When we had zero Covid, we were in the eye of the hurricane. It was pretty sweet. Now, the hurricane is moving and the eye of the storm is moving away from us rapidly, no matter how much we chase it.

The business/cafe/restaurant/pub owners will finally get the certainty they've craved. No more cycles of going into lockdown and coming out of it, rinse & repeat. The bad news is that the constant solution is now going to be permanent lockdowns or restrictions until vaccination rates approach 80%. That'll take months. I think the owners will look back on the cycle of closings & re-openings as the good ol' days.

What is the alternative? As EB has pointed out, the health system is starting to fail even though Victoria only has 20 odd new cases a day. So how is it going to cope when we have around 500 cases as in NSW?

"Letting it rip" will cause carnage. You can guarantee all the people who quaffed wine in the parks a few days ago and who are now whingeing about mental fatigue will be screaming for action once we again have reports of people being turned away from hospital to die at home or refrigerator trucks being used to store the dead. When one of their wine-guaffing mates or, worse, his or her child, dies of Covid, they'll be looking for someone to blame and it won't be their circle of friends.   

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #4441 –
@LP and Mav
Hear what you are saying guys and I would hate to be a CMO right now. I acknowledge that we are in a fight and that measures are tough but probably reasonable under the circumstances. My main deep fear is of getting back our freedoms when we reach whatever Covid normal turns out to be, as deemed by government.

The world order "coincidentally" is in a state of flux. Where will all of this leave us and our children  and their children? Plenty of food for thought and I tend to be a bit of a ruminator by nature.
Reality always wins in the end.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #4442 –
Quote from: cookie2 on
The world order "coincidentally" is in a state of flux. Where will all of this leave us and our children  and their children? Plenty of food for thought and I tend to be a bit of a ruminator by nature.
COVID cutting free presents vast almost limitless opportunities for Clark Kent's and Charlatans.

I wonder if COVID wasn't out and about would the current situation in Afghanistan be different? How you answer that then raises a further question, what happens when COVID is past?
The Force Awakens!
 

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #4443 –
Quote from: LP on
COVID cutting free presents vast almost limitless opportunities for Clark Kent's and Charlatans.

I wonder if COVID wasn't out and about would the current situation in Afghanistan be different? How you answer that then raises a further question, what happens when COVID is past?

Assuming of course that Covid ever becomes "past"?
Reality always wins in the end.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #4444 –
Quote from: cookie2 on
Assuming of course that Covid ever becomes "past"?

Covid will eventually move out of the public eye, and just become a part of the viral background hum, like all the others. Nobody knows how long it will take, but we'll get there.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #4445 –
Quote from: PaulP on
Covid will eventually move out of the public eye, and just become a part of the viral background hum, like all the others. Nobody knows how long it will take, but we'll get there.

Hope you're right Paul.
Reality always wins in the end.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #4446 –
Quote from: cookie2 on
Assuming of course that Covid ever becomes "past"?
True, it may never be 100% past, but I'm certain in the future it will be moderated in some form or another.

There is a problem that strikes to the heart of democracy and it's war on oppressive regimes. Some do not value life to the same degree as does a smaller Western democracy like our own. There are some who may just view the toll of COVID, even if it counts into the millions, as the required collateral damage needed to win the wider philosophical war!
The Force Awakens!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #4448 –
Quote from: LP on
True, it may never be 100% past, but I'm certain in the future it will be moderated in some form or another.

There is a problem that strikes to the heart of democracy and it's war on oppressive regimes. Some do not value life to the same degree as does a smaller Western democracy like our own. There are some who may just view the toll of COVID, even if it counts into the millions, as the required collateral damage needed to win the wider philosophical war!

We are seeing the US now less willing to be involved in such struggles and its main concerns focussing on China and the Pacific. How that may affect us remains to unfold.
Reality always wins in the end.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #4449 –
I share your concern over the effect of Covid on the political level. But I'm less concerned about the Government trying to use Covid as a means of manipulating the populace as in 1984 where the 3 large states would shift allegiances so they could keep their populations on a permanent war footing.

My concern is that the anti-Lockdown, anti-Masker & anti-Vaxxer campaigns will be used by the far right to gain ground: Political ambitions and anti-lockdown protests: How neo-Nazis seek to spread influence , The Age.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #4450 –
Quote from: PaulP on
Covid will eventually move out of the public eye, and just become a part of the viral background hum, like all the others. Nobody knows how long it will take, but we'll get there.

We'll soon see the fatalities cross 5 million ... like hell it will.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #4451 –
Quote from: Mav on
I share your concern over the effect of Covid on the political level. But I'm less concerned about the Government trying to use Covid as a means of manipulating the populace as in 1984 where the 3 large states would shift allegiances so they could keep their populations on a permanent war footing.

My concern is that the anti-Lockdown, anti-Masker & anti-Vaxxer campaigns will be used by the far right to gain ground: Political ambitions and anti-lockdown protests: How neo-Nazis seek to spread influence , The Age.

I tend not to be so concerned about the far right as I believe that we, and I mean the West, has an ingrained repulsion to it, memories of relatively recent experiences. A good example of this would be France where despite a very strong push Le Pen just cannot get the required traction.  I believe some people here flirt with some of their rhetoric but overall the true far right would be a long way from ever gaining serious power. Of course we always need to guard against wolves in sheep's clothing.
Reality always wins in the end.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #4452 –
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We are seeing the US now less willing to be involved in such struggles and its main concerns focussing on China and the Pacific. How that may affect us remains to unfold.
Biden screwed up Afghanistan by pulling all the troops out knowing the Afghan Army were hopeless and the Taliban would just walk in without firing a shot and take over.
5 weeks ago he said it was unlikely the Taliban would make any attempt to sieze control.
The Chinese must be thinking it could be time to make a move too..

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #4453 –
Remember, Trump took the US down the isolationist, America-First path well before Covid. But Covid will no doubt strain resources and lead to a more selfish world view. The US really should have been taking advantage of Covid to rebuild strained alliances by donating medical supplies and vaccines but it has failed to do so.

Afghanistan was a snafu. Bush decided he was going to go to war against 2 Middle Eastern countries and then stick around for nation-building. What the hell was he thinking? The speedy collapse of the Afghan Government shows he merely built a house of cards. You would have thought he would have learnt from the folly of the Soviet Union's invasion of Afghanistan (or the history of failed attempts at occupation). 

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #4454 –
Cookie, the US almost had a successful coup by the far right. Yes, the US is more right-wing than Australia, but we tend to follow in their footsteps.