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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #4710 –
Then you get morons like Joe Rogan;
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The podcaster described coming home Saturday and feeling "very weary" and having a headache. After testing positive the next morning, he said he "immediately threw the kitchen sink at it, all kinds of meds -- monoclonal antibodies, ivermectin, Z-pac, prednisone, everything." Now, he says, "I feel great. I really only had one bad day. Sunday sucked."
FMD, what a dickhead and a crap message to send the public, takes prednisone along with a phalanx of drugs then tells the world you feel great!

Who'd have thunk it, roids make you feel terrific, so does weed but it won't cure COVID!

Further I'm calling bullcrap on Joe's monoclonal antibody message, unless he thinks something genuine that costs US$3650 a dose in the USA is a viable alternative to $35 vaccine, if he claims his version of the monoclonal antibody was cheap, then it's fake! For reference, here in Australia under the PBS they are still AUD$650 per dose, 10x the local cost of a vaccine dose! :o

These morons are complaining about the high cost of lockdowns sending people broke, are they that thick they can't see the contradiction in their message, do they think their solution is free? ::)
The Force Awakens!
 

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #4711 –
Record case number today - 175 cases. Week 5 into a short, sharp one week circuit breaker lockdown.  And this is the plan from our leader before anything major changes. 

We need to get the population to 70-80% vaccinated (this part is possible) but then the next bit is where the issue is. We need to have very very small case numbers (and im not talking hundreds is his words) before our freedoms are back makes sense at anyone? Unless im missing something according to this plan we stay in lockdown till we average say 10-20 cases a week or maybe less, then he have some lockdown measures relaxed as we are doing well and have things at a manageable level but heres the major hurdle that myself a man of average intelligence sees............ HTF do those manageable 10-20 cases stay at those levels and not escalate when more people are out and about? This strain is highly contagious so it will again rise back to 40-50 then into the 100s again which is when he will then say sadly 'we have no option but to lock down hard again'!

His logic for these crazy lockdowns against this strain make no sense as unless you completed eliminate it and lock the state down to the rest of the country and world this strain is not going away.

Based on this plan vaccinated or not these harsh stay at home lockdowns folks are here in this state indefinitely as our leaders have no credible honest workable plan out as being stubborn in trying to eliminate this strain is nonsense and the rest of the world know it.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #4712 –
Quote from: LP on
I understand the frustration.

But when people ask that question it suggests they think the authorities know the answer, which contradicts all the accusations like "The government / health authorities don't know what they are doing!"

If they don't know what they are doing, it means they do not know the answer, so in effect that complaint is a request to be deceived!

So I'm curious LP as you seem to be very knowledgeable on this topic based on the about of posts. Are you happy with how this is being handled by those we have to adhere to?

If you were leading this state what's the plan?   

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #4713 –
We'll never get those vaccination levels,  there's insufficient supplies and too many hold outs.   It's a number chucked out to appease the masses,  they're stalling while dog paddling around looking for a solution,  which I fear doesn't exist.
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #4714 –
Quote from: shawny on
Record case number today - 175 cases. Week 5 into a short, sharp one week circuit breaker lockdown.  And this is the plan from our leader before anything major changes. 

We need to get the population to 70-80% vaccinated (this part is possible) but then the next bit is where the issue is. We need to have very very small case numbers (and im not talking hundreds is his words) before our freedoms are back makes sense at anyone? Unless im missing something according to this plan we stay in lockdown till we average say 10-20 cases a week or maybe less, then he have some lockdown measures relaxed as we are doing well and have things at a manageable level but heres the major hurdle that myself a man of average intelligence sees............ HTF do those manageable 10-20 cases stay at those levels and not escalate when more people are out and about? This strain is highly contagious so it will again rise back to 40-50 then into the 100s again which is when he will then say sadly 'we have no option but to lock down hard again'!

His logic for these crazy lockdowns against this strain make no sense as unless you completed eliminate it and lock the state down to the rest of the country and world this strain is not going away.

Based on this plan vaccinated or not these harsh stay at home lockdowns folks are here in this state indefinitely as our leaders have no credible honest workable plan out as being stubborn in trying to eliminate this strain is nonsense and the rest of the world know it.
High Vaccination rates are no panacea to success, Israel and England are already in booster shot mode and Scomo is going to have to explain to the public that 60 deaths a week will be normal if you go by the Doherty
modelling.. The South African variant is worse than Delta from what I have read and will require the vaccines being tweaked.
Gladys might open up NSW but there is no way, Dan, WA, Qld will do same IMHO..

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #4715 –
Quote from: shawny on
Record case number today - 175 cases. Week 5 into a short, sharp one week circuit breaker lockdown.  And this is the plan from our leader before anything major changes. 
Isn't the problem that it is being spread by people who either refuse to adhere to restrictions and social distancing, or for whatever reason cannot adhere to those restrictions?
The Force Awakens!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #4716 –
Simple .... no national cohesion.  The constitution must change to prevent some of these states maniacal rule to continue.  Start with that "woman" in Queensland.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #4717 –
Joe Rogan is just the latest to join a long conga line of loud and proud anti-vax & pro-ivermectin conservatives who have caught Covid despite the magic of ivermectin. Among those who've died are Phil Valentine, Marc "Mr.Anti-Vax" Bernier, Dick Farrel (all conservative radio hosts), Captain Joe Manning (Georgia police officer), & 30 year old Caleb Wallace (anti-vax co-ordinator).  Most if not all of them used Ivermectin before contracting Covid as a type of non-vaccine vaccine, thus helping to disprove its effectiveness in that regard. 

Bear in mind that these deaths only garnered media attention because of their belligerent stances and prominence. Presumably, much lower-profile pro-Ivermectin anti-vaxxers are filling up cemeteries in southern US States. I would have thought that the public would be well served if statistics concerning hospitalisation & death caused by Covid included vaccination status and the use of alternative medications like Ivermectin.  

I have to give Flyboy credit, though. Once I pointed out that Dr Kory has despaired about Ivermectin's lack of impact against the Delta variant, he seems to have backed off. The funny thing is that Ivermectin advocates have revelled in the ability of the Delta variant to cause breakthrough cases, but they haven't twigged that any effect Ivermectin may have had against the original Covid strain may be completely negated by more virulent strains.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #4718 –
Quote from: shawny on
We need to get the population to 70-80% vaccinated (this part is possible) but then the next bit is where the issue is.
The scientists are actually saying it looks like Delta requires better than 90% vaccinated, 70% is the political sell.
 
Quote from: shawny on
We need to have very very small case numbers (and im not talking hundreds is his words) before our freedoms are back makes sense at anyone? Unless im missing something according to this plan we stay in lockdown till we average say 10-20 cases a week or maybe less, then he have some lockdown measures relaxed as we are doing well and have things at a manageable level but heres the major hurdle that myself a man of average intelligence sees............
I think people are really victims of mixed messaging, that results from some limited direct quotes and a wider media and social media interpretation.

There is a difference between the goal and reality, I do not know of any credible health official that thinks extinction is currently achievable, and in the opinion of health officials extinction hasn't been since more than a year ago when politicians missed he first boat. But that doesn't mean they stop trying given the massive overarching high cost of failing!
 
Quote from: shawny on
HTF do those manageable 10-20 cases stay at those levels and not escalate when more people are out and about? This strain is highly contagious so it will again rise back to 40-50 then into the 100s again which is when he will then say sadly 'we have no option but to lock down hard again'!
We probably won't, but if it was the 4th Qtr and our team gave up you'd be livid, you might even sack the coach. Yet here you are preaching a form of surrender!

Quote from: shawny on
Based on this plan vaccinated or not these harsh stay at home lockdowns folks are here in this state indefinitely as our leaders have no credible honest workable plan out as being stubborn in trying to eliminate this strain is nonsense and the rest of the world know it.
That is really an accusation you have made based on opinion, is it is not part of any official plan you, I or anybody has heard, and it is obvious that extreme opinion cannot be reality.
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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #4719 –
Just watch the "there's no point trying to suppress Covid" people spin on a dime and become "the government should have prevented deaths by suppressing Covid" people when the deaths start accelerating.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #4720 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 on
High Vaccination rates are no panacea to success, Israel and England are already in booster shot mode and Scomo is going to have to explain to the public that 60 deaths a week will be normal if you go by the Doherty
modelling.. The South African variant is worse than Delta from what I have read and will require the vaccines being tweaked.
Gladys might open up NSW but there is no way, Dan, WA, Qld will do same IMHO..
@ElwoodBlues1 Agreed.

The booster shots are more about controlling exploding health cost by minimising acute symptoms requiring hospitalisation, a thousand vaccine shots are so much cheaper than even one individual person spending an afternoon in a hospital bed.

The deaths being recorded now in Israel and the UK are now largely in the unvaccinated population, I saw some figures last week that suggests current UK COVID-19 deaths are now 98% unvaccinated and 2% breakthrough vaccinated. But this is just a reality of math when the bulk of the population become vaccinated and restrictions are removed for everybody.

After lockdown, the effect of Sars-CoV-2 is minimised in the vaccinated, and at the same time the effect of Sars-CoV-2 is amplified in the unvaccinated because the virus has become ubiquitous in free people everywhere.
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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #4721 –
Quote from: LP on
Isn't the problem that it is being spread by people who either refuse to adhere to restrictions and social distancing, or for whatever reason cannot adhere to those restrictions?

So what hope do we have LP? 

You are never ever ever going to get full and total adhering of every rule by every single person in the community. And if it only take a hand full of people out of 6mil to cause it to fail it means the plan is not feasible and it has 0% of success.

Hence why I said we better stop listening to the carrot danglers in power and admit we are living like this for a very very very long time as we have no credible plan to work to.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #4722 –
Quote from: shawny on
So I'm curious LP as you seem to be very knowledgeable on this topic based on the about of posts. Are you happy with how this is being handled by those we have to adhere to?

If you were leading this state what's the plan?
I'm not particularly knowledgably of the epidemiology I just accept what the scientific consensus coming from real scientists, and largely ignore the radical spin applied to points cherry-picked from reports and data by critics like Sky News or Facebook Experts.

The first really hard step that hasn't even happened yet is making vaccination compulsory for anybody eligible to get it, but it is political and mental health poison so it will only ever happen as a last ditch solution.

God help us if we get a variant that looks deadly to children, anarchy will pursue because the governments will without hesitation make vaccination compulsory and the self-entitled denialists will become radical extremists in their refusal.
The Force Awakens!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #4723 –
Quote from: shawny on
So what hope do we have LP? 

You are never ever ever going to get full and total adhering of every rule by every single person in the community. And if it only take a hand full of people out of 6mil to cause it to fail it means the plan is not feasible and it has 0% of success.

Hence why I said we better stop listening to the carrot danglers in power and admit we are living like this for a very very very long time as we have no credible plan to work to.
It's a position of ignorance, because like the politician, and the scientist, nobody including you or me knows what is next step in the evolution of Sars-CoV-2.

That "handful" you refer to is a huge assumption, you assume it's not one of yours, you assume it's old people, you assume there are no other significant long term health costs, which ultimately cost every one physically or economically!

I've heard estimates that the long term economic cost, that the big dollars of ongoing COVID-19, could be as high as 6x the total cost of the epidemic in the short term!
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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #4724 –
Given there'll be pressure on hospitals to cope with Covid-related admissions, I would fully support ethical rules regarding access being amended so the unvaccinated are at the end of the queue.  By unvaccinated, I mean those who were eligible for vaccination (excluding those who had a legitimate medical reason for their failure to vaccinate). Doctors and nurses have gnashed their teeth over anti-vaxxers in the US receiving double-lung transplants when Covid catches up with them. If you have to choose who gets beds and who is sent home, their vaccination status should be a prime criterion.