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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #5595
@DJC
You also need to be full health to get the jab.

Guy i know who got Covid said it took him 6 months to get back to 'normal'.

So maybe thats why the 6 month wait was mentioned.

Yep, the guidelines go on to state:

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People should not be vaccinated until they have recovered from the acute illness.

If a patient tests positive for COVID-19 between their first and second doses, the patient should not receive their second dose until they have recovered from the acute illness.

People with prolonged symptoms from COVID-19 beyond 6 months should be vaccinated on a case by case basis.
“Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?”  Oddball

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #5596
The Vaccine hesitant, anti vaxxers are not white supremacists looking to create a fascist state along the lines of Hitler.
Hitler was a believer in Vaccines but actually relaxed smallpox mandates on vaccines hoping to remove more " inferiors from the planet" A quote from Hitler in 1942 ...

In the field of public health there is no need whatsoever to extend to the subject races the benefits of our own knowledge. This would result only in an enormous increase in local populations, and I absolutely forbid the organization of any sort of hygiene or cleanliness crusades in these territories. Compulsory vaccination will be confined to Germans alone, and the doctors in the German colonies will be there solely for the purpose of looking after the German colonists. It is stupid to thrust happiness upon people against their wishes. Dentistry, too, should remain a closed book to them.

So Hitler was pro vaccine but didnt want to share it with those he wished to exterminate...so I think we need to drop the anti vaxxers are all neo nazis  theory because its incorrect and abusive. They might not want the vaccine but its not because they want to setup a fascist state as we already have one of those in Victoria or close to it..
Maybe we can have a night of the long knives and get rid of those brown shirted anti vaxxers and vax hestitant inferiors, might as well get the street people, homeless, over 80's and make a night of it...

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #5597
Not sure who you think is equating anti-vaxxers & neo-Nazis, EB, but this is what I wrote a couple of pages back:
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MBB, I don’t think there’s a suggestion that anti-vaxxers are all neo-Nazis or even natural allies. The concern is that the neo-Nazis, alt-Right, and anti-vaxxers have promoted Covid-related protests as a recruiting tool. Your average Covid-vaccine-hesitant isn’t going to be attacking police or harassing health workers. For the committed anti-vaxxer, Covid vaccines are just another vaccine that pisses them off. The MMR vaccine is still front and centre.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #5598
I don't need a lesson from you regarding what the acronym ANTIFA represents.  >:(
It's not an acronym as the letters aren't the initial letters of other words. It's a shortening. But at least you're aware its a label, so there's no need for another label to describe it.

 

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #5599
Not sure who you think is equating anti-vaxxers & neo-Nazis, EB, but this is what I wrote a couple of pages back:
Mav, I am just commenting on the neo nazi fascist tag that gets used to describe anti vaxxers as a throw away line and how extreme and ignorant it is. I think someone else said same, maybe Thry and just wanted to point out that is a incorrect description and that we need to be careful how we label people.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #5600
Sure, I agree with that. Many groups aren't homogenous blocs and there's a lot of different influences within them. I doubt the Nimbin anti-vaxxers are even conservative. They fit more into the hippy left or anarchist category if anything. But there can be some pretty strange bedfellows. One that surprised me is that Muhammad Ali met with the KKK as he shared the view that it was better to keep whites and blacks separate. A popular saying in the US is "It's complicated ...".

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #5601
It's not an acronym as the letters aren't the initial letters of other words. It's a shortening. But at least you're aware its a label, so there's no need for another label to describe it.

Patronising at your absolute best ... pathetic really

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #5602
Good to see you dealing with the point there.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #5603
According to news.com.au:
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The news comes as the Victorian government announced it is splashing hundreds of millions of dollars to help boost the state’s public health capacity for increased Covid infections once the state opens up.
The Andrews government will also spend $2.5m in a desperate bid to lure more healthcare workers to the state to help fight the Covid pandemic.
Health Minister Martin Foley announced the multimillion-dollar investment as the state recorded an additional 1466 new locally acquired Covid-19 cases and eight more deaths on Tuesday.
Mr Foley said the package would help recruit up to 1000 healthcare workers living overseas to help ease the pressure on Victoria’s hospital staff dealing with Covid.
“This group will largely be made up of returning Australians who have wanted to come back to our healthcare workforce,” he said.
Nurses, doctors, midwives and a range of allied health professionals will be recruited under the plan.
“To be eligible for this program, healthcare workers need to have an existing employment contract with a Victorian healthcare service and have the active professional registration in place and to be ready to travel,” Mr Foley said.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #5604
A cross-party report has slammed Boris’ Covid response:
UK lawmakers slam government's 'reactive' early Covid response in new report, CNN.
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Among the biggest failures of the government's approach was an initial policy at the start of the pandemic of trying to manage the spread of Covid, rather than stop it spreading altogether, the lawmakers said.
They also criticized a delayed lockdown, failures in the UK's contact-tracing program, and a lack of attention given to the most vulnerable, specifically those in the social care sector and at-risk communities -- namely Black, Asian and other ethnic minorities. The report also said there was little interest in learning from the experiences of other countries, such as those in East Asia that were the first to deal with the pandemic.
One bright spot for the UK government, however, is the speedy and effective deployment of its vaccine program, the report highlighted.
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The report said the government -- backed by scientific advisers -- made a "serious early error" during the first three months of the pandemic by not rigorously moving to stop the virus' spread, an approach adopted by many East and Southeast Asian countries.
"This amounted in practice to accepting that herd immunity by infection was the inevitable outcome," the report said, with the likely result in "hundreds of thousands of deaths."
The UK's troubled coronavirus response becomes more complicated
The UK's troubled coronavirus response becomes more complicated
The UK has reported 138,167 fatalities from Covid-19 since the pandemic started, according to Johns Hopkins University data -- more than any other country in Western Europe.
Other countries and places in Europe and Asia, including China, Taiwan, Vietnam, Thailand and South Korea, implemented strict border controls, social distancing and early lockdowns as soon as cases emerged -- some as early as January 2020 -- to control the pandemic.
The report said there was a degree of "groupthink" between official scientific advisers and the government in which ministers did little to question the advice they received and that meant the UK was "not as open to approaches being taken elsewhere."
This led to a delay in the nationwide lockdown, which was imposed in the UK on March 23, 2020.
"However, even when UK policy had changed to bring in a comprehensive national lockdown, the role of non-pharmaceutical interventions against Covid-19 was complex, inconsistent and opaque for most of the rest of 2020," the report added.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #5605
These articles always condemn.  Lockdown too early, lockdown not early enough, they cater to their audience.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #5606
Save in this case it’s a cross-party report after hearing evidence. But yes, I agree such reports come down to opinions about what was done by others. It’s newsworthy as it’s a big deal in the UK though maybe it won’t end up making a political impact.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #5607
Mav, I am just commenting on the neo nazi fascist tag that gets used to describe anti vaxxers as a throw away line and how extreme and ignorant it is. I think someone else said same, maybe Thry and just wanted to point out that is a incorrect description and that we need to be careful how we label people.

Lots of the demonstrators/rioters are neo-nazi, alt right, and/or fascists EB.  It's a strange mix of the extreme opposite sides of the political spectrum with anarchists, and far left extremists rubbing shoulders with folk who just want to be left alone.  The problem is that the extremists are using the unhappy few to push their agendas.
“Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?”  Oddball


Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #5609
That’s supported by articles such as this one from news.com.au (not a known left-wing site, to put it mildly):
Far-right extremists hijacked tradie Covid anger to fuel chaos and groom new recruits, expert claims.
It says far right nationalists and anti vaxxers have come together over Covid and capitilized over Covid uncertainty.
This is my point....Being Anti vax doesn't mean connections to far right nut jobs, that article makes that association and this is how anti vax, vax hesitant people are being viewed and are being grouped in with these professional anti government types..