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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6225 –
Quote from: Thryleon on
Mate, I appreciate the sentiment but professional footballers aren't really at any real covid risk.  We've had very few cases result in any real impact to sports globally aside from causing issues to fielding a team once positive and as we've seen in the EPL recently it's mattered little whether vaccinated or not.
Once again, the problem is not unidirectional, you need to think this through from many perspectives, the litigation might not be from the players, does the AFL run it's own private jet reserved for it's own use, are flights shared by other people, what about the flight crew, cleaners, baggage handlers, security and ground staff?

We wouldn't be laughing now if Cook had kicked the bucket, and he is every bit as critical to our fate as some 20 year old kicking the pill around the park!

I'm sure the lawyers and health insurers will be fully understanding, and forgive the airlines for having allowed the unvaccinated sporting superstar to travel, cough and sneeze all over a now ventilated client. I'm sure the patients lawyers won't act in an opportunistic manner, it's not like the lawyers have behaved poorly before, it would be a first if they sued wouldn't it as they always act in societies best interest, or perhaps it's that they act in interest$ best interest!

Anyway, how would they establish a link, it's not like they could litigate on a idea! ::)

If you can find a way to have the general public accept that level of discrimination and waiver their private right to litigate then it's all good!

PS; I would like to sell you a pixie garden that is full of golden egg crapping geese, it's a bargain! Wait on too late, I've sold it to Perrottet, in the meantime you all just continue to take on responsibility for yourself and do the right thing! ;D

The Force Awakens!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6226 –
I can't help but think, that Perrottet's team have come out and claimed 25,000 COVID cases a day by the end of Jan, so that if it doesn't get to that figure they can claim "A job well done!"

One of the reasons I'm sceptical is that there are regions of much higher density, with larger populations and less health services than Sydney or Melbourne, that aren't getting to much more than 50,000 a day!

To think dispersed NSW could get to that figure seems a stretch, I wonder what Perrottet's Federal colleagues think of his proclamation, surely if NSW do get to 25,000 a day Scomo is a dead man walking!
The Force Awakens!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6227 –
Quote from: LP on
Once again, the problem is not unidirectional, you need to think this through from many perspectives, the litigation might not be from the players, does the AFL run it's own private jet reserved for it's own use, are flights shared by other people, what about the flight crew, cleaners, baggage handlers, security and ground staff?

We wouldn't be laughing now if Cook had kicked the bucket, and he is every bit as critical to our fate as some 20 year old kicking the pill around the park!

I'm sure the lawyers and health insurers will be fully understanding, and forgive the airlines for having allowed the unvaccinated sporting superstar to travel, cough and sneeze all over a now ventilated client. I'm sure the patients lawyers won't act in an opportunistic manner, it's not like the lawyers have behaved poorly before, it would be a first if they sued wouldn't it as they always act in societies best interest, or perhaps it's that they act in interest$ best interest!

Anyway, how would they establish a link, it's not like they could litigate on a idea! ::)

If you can find a way to have the general public accept that level of discrimination and waiver their private right to litigate then it's all good!

PS; I would like to sell you a pixie garden that is full of golden egg crapping geese, it's a bargain! Wait on too late, I've sold it to Perrottet, in the meantime you all just continue to take on responsibility for yourself and do the right thing! ;D



I think you're missing the point that the unvaccinated are about to be given the green light to play on.

"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson
 

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6228 –
Quote from: Thryleon on
I think you're missing the point that the unvaccinated are about to be given the green light to play on.

That may be so, but they might be playing russian roulette.

Darwins theory of evolution will get to work now.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6229 –
Quote from: kruddler on
That may be so, but they might be playing russian roulette.

Darwins theory of evolution will get to work now.

Im not arguing against that or disputing it.  I think the only reason to dump Liam comes back to a team ethos dynamic.

I hear Jurgen klopp got asked a similar question at a press conference.  He mentioned all his players have been vaccinated.  Thats important from a one in all in scenario.  He was asked whether or not he would only consider vaccinated players when they started signing players again, and he answered it very much awkwardly admitting that they hadn't considered that at this stage, but admitted they might do. 

Now if thats the case, that's fine, but its important to consider that this may not be a factor anymore and im saying this that people should get vaccinated. 

Liam isn't alone with losing his job and career over it.  Its been a massive price to pay and the short term reversal of the rules has meant that these people are going to be even more butter and twisted about it.

Also if our lack of key defenders is a problem next year no one is going to care particularly if covid causes grief to the season again next year with the unvaxxed out.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6230 –
I have just read in the Saturday online Age that an infected person with the "wildly infectious" strain attended a birthday party last Saturday at Elwood Bathers which was attended by Dan Andrews.  Apparently urgent measures are being taken to contact all attendees.

We regularly go to Elwood Bathers and find their security is excellent.  No one is allowed entry unless proof is shown of being double vaccinated.

If this person has Omicron then it makes current checking of cafes and restaurants ineffective and creates a whole new problem.

Whatever the  strain it looks like we have opened up too quickly and with the new easing of restrictions the future appears quite murky.





Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6231 –
Quote from: Macca37 on
I have just read in the Saturday online Age that an infected person with the "wildly infectious" strain attended a birthday party last Saturday at Elwood Bathers which was attended by Dan Andrews.  Apparently urgent measures are being taken to contact all attendees.

We regularly go to Elwood Bathers and find their security is excellent.  No one is allowed entry unless proof is shown of being double vaccinated.

If this person has Omicron then it makes current checking of cafes and restaurants ineffective and creates a whole new problem.

Whatever the  strain it looks like we have opened up too quickly and with the new easing of restrictions the future appears quite murky.






Went to a birthday party at an Indian Restaurant last weekend. About 100 people in attendance and no one at the door, anyone could walk in unchecked and join proceedings.
Very tight inside for space too, perfect for an evening of Covid although the food probably would have overpowered any virus... Not a fan.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6232 –
This situation is evolving quite rapidly, I'm not sure it's wise to make too many long distance travel plans between now and the early New Year. Just have some contingencies set aside for the if, buts and maybes.

Europe had a little golden period over it's summer because the spread of Delta and the other strains slowed over the warmer months, but that does not appear to be the case for Omicron in our summer, and now I've heard rumours of yet another potential variant. It may also be the case that Omicron is turning out to be a lot nastier for higher latitudes, partially Africa might have found it to be more benign because of the warmer climate and underlying genetics.

Now in Europe even countries that have been more reluctant to act in the past are pulling the pin early on significant restrictions, for me this is a bit of a tell. Part of the problem they have got at the moment is that the Omicron variant is spreading faster than the scientists can work out what it does, what it's risks are and how to treat it.

If I had to guess, the game now seems to be changing in some regions to totally stop infections to stop variants on the basis that the continual emergence of variants makes the situation unmanageable. So if we thought previous lockdowns were harsh, there is a chance we could be in for a significant shock over the next few months!
The Force Awakens!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6233 –
So much for the notion the Pandemic Management Act was no longer necessary as the pandemic was over or the claim that governments were just using Omicron as an excuse to seize power. Maybe the concern over Omicron was justified. Who would have thunk it?

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6234 –
Getting Moderna booster shot next week.
Reality always wins in the end.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6235 –
Quote from: Mav on
So much for the notion the Pandemic Management Act was no longer necessary as the pandemic was over or the claim that governments were just using Omicron as an excuse to seize power. Maybe the concern over Omicron was justified. Who would have thunk it?
I wonder if @Thryleon has noticed anything at work, they seem to be taking Omicron very seriously in the health sector, I suspect the minute there was a hint of a chance it was not particularly good for kids to get Omicron the game changed, before then COVID was just an old persons disease!

If it is bad for kids, the protestors are going to have a whole new level of stuff to complain about!

My wife predicted this last year, she told me if kids were getting sick nobody would tolerate all the protest and anti-vax crap that was going on! I'd wouldn't dare or be stupid enough to protest if it turns out kids are vulnerable, what will Craig Kelly do?
The Force Awakens!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6236 –
How can you predict what an idiot would do? The only certainty is that it'll be something stupid.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6237 –
Quote from: Mav on
How can you predict what an idiot would do? The only certainty is that it'll be something stupid.
He'll do what serves his own interests best, every time!

Hard right types like Alan Jones and Andrew Bolt have clammed up, their prime constituency is grandparents so they aren't going to come out and make "bad luck for the grandkids" type statements!

I can't believe Scomo made the statement he made today, in effect saying no to any future restrictions and prioritising protecting livelihoods over reducing infections, if those infections turn out to be kids that quote will be turned by the media into "Scomo said save jobs not kids!"
The Force Awakens!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6238 –
Quote from: LP on
I wonder if @Thryleon has noticed anything at work, they seem to be taking Omicron very seriously in the health sector, I suspect the minute there was a hint of a chance it was not particularly good for kids to get Omicron the game changed, before then COVID was just an old persons disease!

If it is bad for kids, the protestors are going to have a whole new level of stuff to complain about!

My wife predicted this last year, she told me if kids were getting sick nobody would tolerate all the protest and anti-vax crap that was going on! I'd wouldn't dare or be stupid enough to protest if it turns out kids are vulnerable, what will Craig Kelly do?

Nothing at this stage.  Business as usual.  The hospitals aren't flip flopping with policy.  They flip wards from covid to non covid and back to covid and thats about it.  Visitors not allowed.  Etc.  Ive spent the last week in nsw so most of what I know is 7 days plus old.

I do know that they are implementing teams to watch the positives and contact them in order to understand whether or not hospitalisation is likely or not.  Lots of hospital in the home going on too.  Contact tracers picked up and went home and haven't returned to site yet.

It is what it is.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6239 –
So, Ch7 News claims that hospitalisations for Covid are surging. But didn't the armchair epidemiologists assure us that wouldn't happen? Seems they're about as reliable as armchair recruiters, selectors and coaches ...