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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6450
Yep, it's hard to see how he can stay. He was either trying to circumvent the entry requirements so he could attract the best field or he was unbelievably stupid. Either way, he goes.

Does this help or hurt Djokovic? It helps Djokovic in a PR sense as it suggests he may well have been relying on TA advice rather than trying to barge his way through. TA is the bad guy rather than him. But it might be bad for Djokovic's Federal Court case. It shifts blame away from the Federal Govt to a private organisation. The Federal Govt would be able to counter Djokovic's attempt to suggest the Federal Govt had created a legitimate expectation he was entitled to enter Australia. It was TA which created that legitimate expectation. Moreover, once TA had been firmly advised that the "infected within 6 months" exception wasn't valid for entry to Australia, the Federal Govt would be able to argue it was reasonable for it to assume that TA would ensure medical exemptions would meet the Federal Govt standards.

On the other hand, the Federal Govt isn't totally off the hook. The letter shows it was well aware that there was a glaring difference between medical exemptions granted for the purposes of Victorian events and those that would be valid for entry into Australia. In other words, it was well aware that medical exemptions granted in Victoria couldn't be relied on to establish a right to enter. It should have scrutinised entry paperwork more carefully. Did Greg Hunt communicate with the Immigration Minister and the ABF to ensure that unvaccinated players didn't jump on a plane? I'd imagine Djokovic's lawyers will be homing in on this issue.

That's where the comments from Mr Rivzi come in. Visas shouldn't have been granted on the strength of TA paperwork without verifying that any exemption met Federal Govt criteria. And if there were ABF officers at Dubai Airport, they should have asked Djokovic on what grounds he had obtained a medical exemption. They should have been alerted to watch out for ATP & WTA players and verify their paperwork.   

On the other hand, would it be fair to say that TA was almost like a representative of all of the players, including Djokovic? It seems players were leaving TA to deal with the government as workers would leave a Union to deal on their behalf. The more that TA is identified with the players, the more the players are tainted by the misbehaviour of TA.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6451
Djoker can play, all he has to do is complete the Fed's quarantine requirement, and then accept the State's exemption from vaccination to work.

I just do not get why some people always have to try and break the rules, no matter what they do they spend all their efforts looking for a short cut, advantage or cheat relative to Joe Average.

For me it displays a lack of character, a desire to set themselves above others, which is why Djoker gets the White Male Privilege tag!

I do wonder if his claims of having already had COVID are genuine, because if they are then issuing a simple medical certificate and this whole saga evaporates, because that hasn't already happened it suggests he's lied about having COVID! I suppose his association with some rather bogus miracle COVID cures and other health treatments is a big motivation to depart from the truth, there is no better miracle cure than never having it to start off!
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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6452
I'm thinking Tiley seems to do what the Concierge does in a hotel: anything that'll keep the guests happy.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6453
France's sports minister said the unvaxxed are free to play in the French Open.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6454
Australia stationing Border force personnel at any intnl airport to intercept any passenger from flying is simply preposterous.  How do you position those staff ahead of the flight.  How about an unforseen schedule change to the flight.  How would they know if that passenger would be a "no show".  Who would wear those ridiculous economic costs.

Exactly why it is the carrier's responsibility to check the credentials to the degree they can and then the onus falls on the passenger to have the paperwork is all in order when they land here.

I know of no country that doesn't do exactly the same thing and the destination port then approves passage or sends them home.  A casual look at "Border Security" would tell you that.  This is ALL on Djokovic and TA. 




Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6455
Exactly why it is the carrier's responsibility to check the credentials to the degree they can and then the onus falls on the passenger to have the paperwork is all in order when they land here.

I know of no country that doesn't do exactly the same thing and the destination port then approves passage or sends them home.  A casual look at "Border Security" would tell you that.  This is ALL on Djokovic and TA.
Yes, I agree.

I've travelled a lot, on one flight there was a problem sending the passenger manifest, the flight officer talked the passengers through the full procedure and why there would be a delay landing, because they hadn't been able to transmit the document early enough to get the tick of approval on time to disembark. Air Traffic Control would put the plane in a holding pattern pending a gate being allocated. @capcom will know this better than me but as far as I know it is always the flight officers who send the passenger manifest to the destination sometime after departure and get cleared for landing while in transit. I suppose once the planes left the ground the passenger list isn't going to change! ;D

Sometimes very very rarely, I've had this happen twice in 40 years and hundreds of flights, your plane gets meet with a border control team to collect an individual before the rest of the passengers can disembark/deplane, I gather this was the Djoker scenario.
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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6456
4 people at my work positive. I'm stuffed.
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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6457
Yes, I agree.

I've travelled a lot, on one flight there was a problem sending the passenger manifest, the flight officer talked the passengers through the full procedure and why there would be a delay landing, because they hadn't been able to transmit the document early enough to get the tick of approval on time to disembark. Air Traffic Control would put the plane in a holding pattern pending a gate being allocated. @capcom will know this better than me but as far as I know it is always the flight officers who send the passenger manifest to the destination sometime after departure and get cleared for landing while in transit. I suppose once the planes left the ground the passenger list isn't going to change! ;D

Sometimes very very rarely, I've had this happen twice in 40 years and hundreds of flights, your plane gets meet with a border control team to collect an individual before the rest of the passengers can disembark/deplane, I gather this was the Djoker scenario.

OK.

1.  The crew do NOT send a manifest to anyone.  They (the flight attendants) have a copy of it so they know who is sitting where assuming they each have their boarding passes on their person in the event they must return to their original seats in prep for landing.  That is a DCS weight and balance matter and way beyond the scope of this response.

The manifest goes to the arrival port via head office ops control and originally sourced from the departure port DCS manager in charge.  He's the guy responsible for having it signed off by the captain ... and it bears huge personal responsibility.

2.  Border control (using that term VERY loosely for the moment as it's almost always the State Feds) will be used for a PIC (passenger in custody) escort, unruly idiots under arrest for actions during flight, disabled passengers, spraying the cabin prior to disembarkation,  NEVER border control.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6458
Who gave Novak a visa?
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!


Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6460
Cirsten Weldon, an author, “influencer”, QAnon conspiracy theorist and committed COVID-denier and anti-vaxxer has died of COVID.
“Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?”  Oddball

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6461
Cirsten Weldon, an author, “influencer”, QAnon conspiracy theorist and committed COVID-denier and anti-vaxxer has died of COVID.

We should do a Pagan-esque 'Hall of shame' for all the covid denier/anti-vaxxers who die from covid.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6462
There are a few sites dedicated to exactly that. One site was the subject of an article in Slate and I posted about it a while ago:
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Interesting article. I’m clearly not as angry as many in the US, but then again Covid and its enablers aren’t anywhere near as bad in Australia:

The Unbelievable Grimness of HermanCainAward, the Subreddit That Catalogs Anti-Vaxxer COVID Deaths, Slate.

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It is cruel, a site for heartless and unrepentant schadenfreude. This is a place where deaths are celebrated, and it is not the only one. While endless ink has been spilled on the anger of Trump voters and Fox News viewers and QAnon adherents, there are other angers that haven’t been nearly as well explored. The exhaustion and fury doctors and nurses feel, for example, as they deal yet again with overwhelmed ICUs. Instead of being hailed as heroes, this time around they’re risking their lives to serve while walking through anti-vax protesters and being called murderers or worse by misled family members demanding or indeed suing for sick unvaccinated relatives on ventilators to be dosed with ivermectin or hydroxychloroquine or vitamin C. There is the anger of family members of those without COVID who are dying or sicker than they should be because treatment was delayed or denied to them at dozens of hospitals that had no beds available. There’s the frustration of parents trying to keep their children safe, the constant, destabilizing calculations and adaptations people are forced into when (for instance) the governor of Texas prohibits schools from taking safety measures and then two teachers at a single school die, forcing closures once again. There’s the run-of-the-mill anger of those weary of living under pandemic conditions and demoralized—in the most literal sense—by the selfishness of their compatriots.

Subscriptions to the HermanCainAward subreddit are increasing exponentially, from 2,000 subscribers on July 4 to 5,000 at the beginning of August to more than 100,000 on Sept. 1 to 243,000 Friday to 276,000 today. If that rate is any indication, rage is growing toward anti-vaxxers deliberately prolonging the pandemic out of an anti-social and deadly understanding of their rights. Now, it’s true that not everyone on the subreddit assents to its spiteful premise: One exhausted nurse wrote a long post about how much one of her anti-vax patients suffered, as an attempt at counterbalance. She acknowledged her own compassion fatigue but also urged readers to think harder about how we got to this sorry pass. Plenty of the discussions do orbit around that basic question. But most of the comments are angry. A collection of screenshots generally elicits a common sentiment: The person got their just desserts.
There's another one which deals with the evangelicals who've died after fighting a holy war against Covid warnings.

 

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6463
It's a lot easier to feel sorry for Renata Voracova than it is Novak Djokovic. She's a 38 year old journeywoman doubles specialist with a lowly ranking of 81 in the world after a career high of 29. Her career prizemoney is just $US1.8m which sounds good until you consider all the travel & accommodation expenses she's paid over the years. Novak has earned $US153m, leaving aside the offcourt earnings he rakes in.

She was waived through on arrival and played a match before being detained by the ABF after the Djokovic saga started. She ended up in the same refugee hotel that Djokovic is staying in and has decided to leave Australia forthwith as she believes she won't have time to properly prepare for her matches now.

She says she was going to get the vaccine but unfortunately caught Covid before she did. Given her lowly status, there's no chance Tennis Australia went out of its way to bend the rules for her, and as she'd be operating on a shoestring budget there's little doubt she needed to rely upon Tennis Australia to organise her paperwork. I hope Tennis Australia reimburses her for her expenditure on this ill-fated trip.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6464
It's a lot easier to feel sorry for Renata Voracova than it is Novak Djokovic. She's a 38 year old journeywoman doubles specialist with a lowly ranking of 81 in the world after a career high of 29. Her career prizemoney is just $US1.8m which sounds good until you consider all the travel & accommodation expenses she's paid over the years. Novak has earned $US153m, leaving aside the offcourt earnings he rakes in.

She was waived through on arrival and played a match before being detained by the ABF after the Djokovic saga started. She ended up in the same refugee hotel that Djokovic is staying in and has decided to leave Australia forthwith as she believes she won't have time to properly prepare for her matches now.

She says she was going to get the vaccine but unfortunately caught Covid before she did. Given her lowly status, there's no chance Tennis Australia went out of its way to bend the rules for her, and as she'd be operating on a shoestring budget there's little doubt she needed to rely upon Tennis Australia to organise her paperwork. I hope Tennis Australia reimburses her for her expenditure on this ill-fated trip.
Very true, although it's perhaps not quite as bad as you suggest, most of the big tournaments cover basic flights and accommodation, or at least partially reimburse the players with an allowance.

I agree, there is no chance she got special treatment, but then if she had Djoker would have a more legitimate claim so they are probably very lucky they didn't bend the rules for her.

Personally, I've no problem with Djoker playing unvaccinated as long as the tournament obeys suitable isolation conditions and he completes the mandatory quarantine. However, I can see where it becomes unfair to those who have lost their job because they are not vaccinated, some people have no choice as isolation is impossible in many service roles.
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