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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6480
I'm blaming all of them for this fiasco.

Scomo
Dan
Tiley

Clearly they all knew he was coming.

Novak whether you like him or not followed the rules.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6481
Not surprising.  Novak was born in 1987, and his nation was at war for no less than 7 years in the 1990's.  I believe there was further conflict in the 2000's too.
I believe his family moved from Montenegro to Monte Carlo when he was a teenager!
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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6482
The Fed Govt's submissions in response reserve the ABF's right to detain Djokovic again with  view to deporting him even if the Court decides the current case in Djokovic's favour due to procedural error. That's a well-beaten path in refugee cases.  

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6483
Confining myself solely to the way the Judge is engaging with Djokovic's lawyers (and not my own assessments of the parties' cases), I'd place a big bet on Djokovic winning his case. Of course, it isn't even half-time in the case as the Govt's lawyers have yet to speak. But all of the questioning from the Judge suggests he has a very dim view of the behaviour of the ABF/Govt. That's not the usual scenario. Usually a Judge puts each party under pressure by probing their weak points. In this case, he's emphasising Djokovic's strong points and almost taking them further.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6484
What more could this man have done?
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6485
I believe his family moved from Montenegro to Monte Carlo when he was a teenager!
via Germany at ages 12.

How was his childhood given you seem to know so much about it?

Would we define someone growing up living in ear shot of war, gun shots, bombings as privileged? 

He is one of the lucky ones from his nation, but the Balkans have been invaded and reinvaded longer than Australia was a federated nation, and was at war, as recently as, less than 30 years ago.

The assertion of white male privilege applies to him like it would someone who fled east Timor and settled in Australia.

"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6486
Like a reformed smoker.

It's not about where you came from, it's about how you now choose to act around others! ;)

You'd think someone who has allegedly seen and experienced such suffering and hardship would be far far better at reading the room. Instead he doesn't just seem tone deaf, he acts with indignance towards those who have been bitten by the pandemic! :o

It's OK for workers with legitimate reasons for being unvaccinated to lose their job so that Djoker can compete safely in an unvaccinated state, they get nothing from him but a virtual spit in the face, as do the hundreds of unpaid volunteers, many wrapped head to toe in PPE, who donate time and effort to enable his earning million$ and million$!
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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6487
Yes, it was terrible that the Serbians refused to stop their Ethnic Cleansing in Kosovo and that resulted in NATO bombing them. Whether or not NATO committed war crimes by bombing the Serbians, I'll leave to the the historians and experts in international law. But Serbian leaders were convicted of war crimes, so playing the victim card on Serbia's behalf is a bit surprising.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6488
Yes, it was terrible that the Serbians refused to stop their Ethnic Cleansing in Kosovo and that resulted in NATO bombing them. Whether or not NATO committed war crimes by bombing the Serbians, I'll leave to the the historians and experts in international law. But Serbian leaders were convicted of war crimes, so playing the victim card on Serbia's behalf is a bit surprising.
I think this is a rather seperate argument.

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/08/22/sport/novak-djokovic-profile-us-open-spt-intl/index.html

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It's March 24, 1999, and the air strikes on the Serbian capital mark the beginning of what would be a 78-day campaign by the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) to try and bring to an end atrocities committed by Yugoslavia's then-president Slobodan Milosevic's troops against ethnic Albanians in the province of Kosovo.
While his father, Srdjan, helped his mother, Dijana, who temporarily lost consciousness after hitting her head against the radiator following the first explosion, Djokovic searched for his brothers, eight-year-old Marko and four-year-old Djordje, in their pitch dark apartment.

"At 11, I was the big brother," the top-ranked Serb wrote in "Serve to win," his 2013 autobiography. "I'd been holding myself responsible for their safety ever since NATO forces started bombing my hometown of Belgrade."

In the first chapter of his autobiography, titled "Backhands and Bomb Shelters," Djokovic vividly recalls the night that changed his life forever.
After Dijana regained consciousness, the Djokovic family entered the unlit streets of Belgrade and tried to make their way to the nearby apartment building of an aunt's family, which had a bomb shelter.
While his parents ran down the streets, holding his younger brothers, Djokovic suddenly found himself all alone after he fell flat on his face in the street.
"And then it happened," Djokovic wrote. "Rising up from over the roof of our building came the steel gray triangle of an F-117 bomber."
"What happened next would never leave me," he said. "Even today, loud sounds fill me with fear."
The bomber dropped two laser-guided missiles right over his head, which struck a hospital building a few streets away.
"I remember the sandy, dusty, metallic shell in the air, and how the whole city seemed to glow like a ripe tangerine," Djokovic said in his book.
The streets now covered in light, Djokovic spotted his parents and brothers in the far distance, and chased after them until they all reached the concrete shelter safely.
There were about 20 families hiding in the shelter.
"There were children crying. I didn't stop shivering for the rest of the night," Djokovic said in his book.
In a 2015 interview with CNN television, Djokovic recalled the bombing campaign, during which he and his family would spend each night in the shelter from 8 p.m., and only had electricity for a few hours each day.
"Those times are certainly something that I don't wish for anybody to experience," he said. "Two-and-a-half months, every single day and night, bombs coming into the city. We saw planes flying over our heads, and literally rockets and bombs landing half a mile away."

You don't have to like him, you don't have to empathise with the Serbs.  You don't have to like them either (in my experience, most anglo saxons, hate people from the balkans anyway)  but to label someone who went through that, white male and privliged??

Nup.  Sorry, thats crap.

If you didnt see war in your nation when you were 12, you cant comment here and call him privileged.


Like a reformed smoker.

It's not about where you came from, it's about how you now choose to act around others! ;)

You'd think someone who has allegedly seen and experienced such suffering and hardship would be far far better at reading the room. Instead he doesn't just seem tone deaf, he acts with indignance towards those who have been bitten by the pandemic! :o

It's OK for workers with legitimate reasons for being unvaccinated to lose their job so that Djoker can compete safely in an unvaccinated state, they get nothing from him but a virtual spit in the face, as do the hundreds of unpaid volunteers, many wrapped head to toe in PPE, who donate time and effort to enable his earning million$ and million$!

I actually dont think anyone should have lost their job over being vaccinated, particularly with our current outcomes and landscape.  I can state that I know of vaccinated people hospitalised with Covid, and I can also state I know of unvaccinated people who have experienced COVID, and have not needed any health or hospital help.

Its all a sliding scale, and the one size fits all approach is problematic.  Professional athletes are risking their lives and livelihood, and as it turns out make no difference to anyone elses risk profile.

"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6489
No matter what happened in their past, nobody gets a free hit at being an ar5ehole to the rest of humanity!

White male privilege isn't a birth right, you have to earn it by your actions! ;)
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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6490
Novak wins!
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6491
Rumours he is about to be arrested and kicked out of the country.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6492
You don't have to like him, you don't have to empathise with the Serbs.  You don't have to like them either (in my experience, most anglo saxons, hate people from the balkans anyway)  but to label someone who went through that, white male and privliged??
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If you didnt see war in your nation when you were 12, you cant comment here and call him privileged.

I'm guessing you're well aware I never used the label white male privilege. Whatever p!ssing contest you and LP are having over that, leave me out of it.

If you look back at my posts, you'll see I had a go at the privilege rich tennis superstars exercise. I cited 2 examples: Djokovic & Serena Williams. You'll note there's no through line there when it comes to being white males. 

As for the notion being a child witness to bombings in your youth gives you lifelong immunity from being regarded as privileged, my counter-example is Queen Elizabeth II who was in Buckingham Palace when it was bombed by the Germans and lived through the Blitz well aware of the toll it was taking on Londoners. She was about 14. Would it be outrageous to consider her privileged? (Edit: Queen Elizabeth, Queen Elizabeth II's mother, was the one who was present; the then princess and her sister were sent to the country).

No one's suggesting Novak was privileged when he was a child, but he sure is now.

 

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6493
I'm guessing you're well aware I never used the label white male privilege. Whatever p!ssing contest you and LP are having over that, leave me out of it.

If you look back at my posts, you'll see I had a go at the privilege rich tennis superstars exercise. I cited 2 examples: Djokovic & Serena Williams. You'll note there's no through line there when it comes to being white males. 

As for the notion being a child witness to bombings in your youth gives you lifelong immunity from being regarded as privileged, my counter-example is Queen Elizabeth II who was in Buckingham Palace when it was bombed by the Germans and lived through the Blitz well aware of the toll it was taking on Londoners. She was about 14. Would it be outrageous to consider her privileged? (Edit: Queen Elizabeth, Queen Elizabeth II's mother, was the one who was present; the then princess and her sister were sent to the country).

No one's suggesting Novak was privileged when he was a child, but he sure is now.

The whole point of being privileged is to have been born into your success, safety and a position of privilege.

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White privilege is a social phenomenon intertwined with race and racism.[1] The American Anthropological Association states that, "The 'racial' worldview was invented to assign some groups to perpetual low status, while others were permitted access to privilege, power, and wealth."[19] Although the definition of "white privilege" has been somewhat fluid, it is generally agreed to refer to the implicit or systemic advantages that people who are deemed white have relative to people who are not deemed white. Not having to experience suspicion and other adverse reactions to one's race is also often termed a type of white privilege.[2]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_privilege

This term doesn't apply to people from the Balkans.  His treatment isn't one born of privilege.  Have a look at how he has always been viewed irrespective of what you think of him, and at this point ill throw Adam goodes at you and how there is a point of racism to his treatment.

Novak and people who hail from the balkan peninsula in general do not have a warm and fuzzy experience in the western world and have always been viewed as second class citizens to Anglo Saxons.

He may have been granted white male privilege now that he is at the top of Tennis but he has not been given that as a result of being white or male its because he has money and that would apply unilaterally to anyone who went from rags to riches who would automatically be held in that esteem because our society values wealth.

Im calling out what is obviously BS personal bias.  I dont see the relevance in quiting a monarch.  When Novak was dodging bombs and living without electricity most privleged 12 year olds were watching power rangers and playing with ninja turtles. 

Kilian Mpabbe and Paul Pogba are they privileged?  Do they have white male privilege even though they are black?

Interesting question. 


Finally, because I'm replying to this thread, you chimed in with something I replied to you, and im cognisant that you have not bandied about that term, but irrespective you seem to be continuing your argument.  This has become something more akin to validation of LP's point which makes you an associate by default.  Someone who boos Goodes not because he was acting like a flog but have joined the voices of racist boos and are similarly racist.

I have not stated that Novak is not a flog here.  He behaves in a manner that makes it hard to like him at times, but in this circumstance this opinion has driven public response prior to any real wrong doing on his behalf.



"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #6494
The whole point of being privileged is to have been born into your success, safety and a position of privilege.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_privilege

This term doesn't apply to people from the Balkans. 
I can see why you are getting stressed, you've chosen to obey a very limited scope of the term, when in a more modern broader scope it's got nothing to do with who your parents are, and everything to do with how you behave, maybe even for people who aren't so white! ;)

It applies to anyone, even Balkans who behave a certain way putting their own importance and self-interests ahead of and above others or the rest of society. I'm not sure why you seem to think the Balkans would have some special exemption, the same rules that apply to everyone else apply to Djoker, and yet ....................... it seems not, it seems he is special!
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