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Remember that "anecdotal evidence" was what led to the false claim that the MMR vaccine caused autism. No one should bother with anecdotal evidence: at best, it might identify areas in which actual research should be conducted.

Nobody has claimed the vaccines are perfect.

The numbers of people suffering Myocarditis and Bell's Palsy is normal, the rare occurrences associated with COVID and or vaccine are low compared to the normal occurrence rate. The case numbers have not statistically significantly increased, and it's normal for the age group between teenage and 60 to the be group primarily affected.

I suspect most cases of Bell's Palsy and Myocarditis are sudden, I don't know anyone who planned it ahead of time and made a reservation.

What has changed is that social media has given them something to blame.

I know some here are clinging desperately to the fact that the vaccines are perfect and cause no harm, but the fact of the matter is that there is anecdotal accounts of young fit and previously healthy people suddenly suffering bouts of myocarditis, and bells palsy in many walks of life.

I know one nurse who suffered Bells on her booster and is no longer allowed to work onsite even with the ATAGI exemption, and is reverting to booking patients through outpatient clinics.  I also know of a guy in his early 30's who ended up with myocarditis who was previously fit and healthy and was in the fitness industry and has a gym in his house at home.

I don't know enough about all of it to make a judgement either way, but trying to explain these things away as correlation serves no purpose.

Thing is, there is an economic reality to all of this.  The vaccine was pushed out, because someone would have had to perform a cost benefit analysis of pros and cons of getting vaccinated in gen pop, vs gen pop getting covid and requiring treatment.

That analysis will include, greater presenations in ICU, vs greater presentations in perceived side effects, vs cost of producing and implementation of vaccines vs not doing it in terms of outcomes for all at a general level.  This would not have been done using conservative numbers, but modelled on an aggressive form of the virus causing quite a lot of angst, which may or may not have come to fruition (hard to argue how it would have been here, vs 3rd world countries).

Someone in the know made those choices, and did so having to weigh up the fact that all of this isn't free and there is a bill to foot.  At some point, the percentages will be low enough to make the vaccinations the lesser of two evils.  The other being an unknown quantity to start with built on modelling.   This isnt to state that the process was corrupted, but just a plain old risk assessment using factors that may or may not have been true for all people.

Agree, the amount of young people with cardiac issues isn't normal.
Having a entire cardiac rehab group full of young people isn't normal and that's the staffs opinion not mine.
Not just myocarditis either, these are people with blood clots causing blockages.
Bells Palsy cases are 3.5 - 7 times higher after Covid vaccinations according to some studies.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(21)00273-5/fulltext

As the mRNA vaccines don't contain live virus, would they even have the ability to kill facial nerves? What are the chances that an immune response generated by this vaccine would be so specific as to kill facial nerves and nothing else? It's all very speculative but very interesting all the same.

I don't bother getting flu shots anymore. I've had it twice. Both times afterwards i've got sick.
Flu shots don't contain a live virus, so i don't think i've gotten sick from that.
However, your body has to fight against that and gets weakened as a result, so if you were not 100% fit before, one of the numerous viruses/bateria can get a hold that would not have had the chance previously.

Could be the same thing with Covid and bells palsy....or whatever else you wanna bring up.

Its not directly CAUSED by the vaccine, but could be a knock on from getting it.

Port Adelaide star Ollie Wines has dismissed suggestions the heart issue he suffered midway through last Thursday night’s loss to Melbourne was triggered by COVID vaccination.

The 27-year-old experienced nausea and dizziness during the AFL game and left Adelaide Oval at halftime to receive further treatment in hospital.

In the days since there has been speculation the heart issue may have been linked to myocarditis, an inflammation of the heart muscle that can potentially be caused by an mRNA COVID-19 vaccine.

However both Wines and his cardiologist have since ruled out that possibility after the star midfielder was released from hospital on Friday evening.

“It’s nothing to do with that (vaccines). It’s completely unrelated,” Wines told reporters on Monday.

“It’s more a heart rhythm issue that is pretty common in elderly people and elite athletes.

“Once it was explained to me it was very reassuring and there’s not too many long-term effects.

“The prognosis is really positive. I’ve got a few more tests to come and to see the cardiologist again but at this stage it’s not a big issue.”

I realise that anything COVID now seems old hat,  but we had a family member become a statistic overnight.  Stay safe people.

I realise that anything COVID now seems old hat,  but we had a family member become a statistic overnight.  Stay safe people.

Port Adelaide star Ollie Wines responds to vaccine speculation after heart problem during loss to Melbourne, 7News.com.au

Oh well, that was fun while it lasted.

I realise that anything COVID now seems old hat,  but we had a family member become a statistic overnight.  Stay safe people.