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But even so the public is still free to choose whether to be vaccinated or not, just I wish they wouldn't justify their choice by spreading a bunch of public misinformation.

Waleed Aly shuts down The Project co-host Kate Langbroek over bizarre ‘conspiracy’ rant
Waleed Aly has shut down The Project co-host Kate Langbroek after she launched into a bizarre conspiracy theory rant on Tuesday night.

The discussion occurred during a segment on the 15-minute city conspiracy that has recently exploded around the world, including here in Australia.

The 15-minute city concept is a simple one – everyday essentials such as healthcare, schools, work, shops and eateries should be a convenient 15-minute walk, cycle or public transport trip away to make life more enjoyable and sustainable.

However, it has been hijacked by conspiracists, who claim it’s all part of a grand master plan by global elites to lock down and control the population.

After a video package explaining the concept and the associated conspiracy, Langbroek told the panel she enjoyed certain conspiracies, and was asked whether she believed in this one – which is when things took an odd turn.

“Um, well, I don’t know about you, but I have been locked down by governments recently, so I’m like, it’s kind of an easy thing to go, ‘oh, conspiracy theorists’, however, let us just remember this – that in the 1600s a guy called Galileo was put in jail, and I think died in jail, because he said the earth went around the sun,” Langbroek began.

That prompted Aly to sarcastically chime in: “Oh well, that’s that then”.

“OK, because that at the time was considered to be heresy, and now we know it to be the truth,” Langbroek continued.

“Yeah, but that’s not a conspiracy,” Aly argued.

“It was then Waleed!” a frustrated Langbroek replied, with Aly asking her to explain what the conspiracy actually was.

“The conspiracy was that what he believed was wrong, what he was telling people was wrong,” she said.
Aly acknowledged he could “see what you’re saying”, but argued it was a “slightly different argument”.

“I’m just feeling increasingly like there’s a battle for control of people, clearly, everywhere you go, there are cameras, everywhere you go – I just think, I don’t think conspiracy theorists in some cases are that crazy,” Langbroek continued.

Co-host Sarah Harris then interjected to lighten the mood, joking that a conspiracy theory that all birds were actually robots “is pretty crazy though”, prompting a strange reply from Langbroek.

“I don’t know about all of them, but I do know birds have got tiny little brains capable of anything … easily influenced like the sheep,” she said, before bleating on air.

“I guess the case has been made,” Aly said.

“I get the idea that people are losing trust in government and things like that … but the problem is the logical extension of that is any time someone comes up with what might be a good idea, we’ll just want to kill it because we’ll decide it’s a conspiracy somehow.”

The Project debate comes as the 15-minute city issue continues to blow up across the world, with thousands of protesters attending the Stop Oxford: No 15 Minute Cities community day of action in Oxford in the UK over the weekend.

I think she said what she meant and she meant what she said. If she wanted to go off on the surveillance State she could have done that. The moment we reframe lunatic conspiracy theories that way is when we lose the ability to work for the common good. Every philanthropic policy can be undermined as some attempt by out-of-control governments and elites to turn the people into sheep. Try to take guns off the street and that’s the Government trying to prevent patriots from fighting against tyranny. Running vaccination programs will lead to accusations that chips are being inserted to track everybody. By all means, attack the use of tracking and pooling of private information but destroying beneficial government programs won’t do anything in that regard.............................................

There's a fair bit of 20/20 hindsight going on now, 3 Leos.

We must factor in that we were unprepared for a pandemic and in many instances, flying in the dark; learning as we go. Also important to remember that our health care system was also not set up properly for a pandemic so most strong reactions (re lockdowns) were also for over burdened health care workers/institutions - we simply had to limit infections to limit hospital admissions.

Wingman MAV and the Spotted One are absolutely correct re severity of Covid relative to vaccine or no vaccine. I know how I respond to seasonal flues, and when I got Covid (twice), and having been vaccinated, the symptoms though flu-like were markedly reduced.

I had an interesting encounter with a bloke in the local park while walking my dog. After he started by asking about my dog and showing me a picture of his dog, somehow things took an unexpected turn. He talked about his mother having cancer and the forces of evil trying to stop people getting the cures promoted on the internet. As a subtle way of distancing myself from that nonsense I mentioned the fact that Steve Jobs had an eminently treatable cancer but he managed to kill himself by adopting alternative (quack) cures such as vitamin C. Lo and behold, this guy then segues into another conspiracy theory, saying Jobs didn’t do what other elites did in his circumstances. He said it was well known that rich people travelled to Jeffrey Epstein’s island where young girls were imprisoned in dark basements and scared with spiders and other nasties so their adrenaline could be sucked from their bodies as a cure for cancer. I’m pretty sure he suggested some woman put out a video saying she was forced to kill her daughter as part of that conspiracy. Mind blown! The guy was friendly and pleasant but WTF …

Another weirdo is Kate Langbroek. A Hun story about her exploits on The Project says it all:
I’m pretty amazed that Waleed Aly wasn’t able to shoot down her nonsense more effectively. She had the temerity to compare her fellow conspiracy theorists to Galileo. He was a scientist who went where the facts took him. He was then attacked by the Church on the basis of beliefs that were resistant to contrary proof. Conspiracy  theorists are the inheritors of the Church’s anti-scientific beliefs, though thankfully they have less power.

10 countries say its impossible.
USA say its highly likely.

Even with some 'chinese influence', that is a huge turnaround that makes me think its more propaganda from the US.

I’m pretty amazed that Waleed Aly wasn’t able to shoot down her nonsense more effectively. She had the temerity to compare her fellow conspiracy theorists to Galileo. He was a scientist who went where the facts took him. He was then attacked by the Church on the basis of beliefs that were resistant to contrary proof. Conspiracy  theorists are the inheritors of the Church’s anti-scientific beliefs, though thankfully they have less power.

Remember I was in the health care system and left in January of last year.  I spoke to people who were responsible for the covid pathways and monitoring before they needed care. 

People stating and over stating the severity of covid are not helping matters.  The cat is out of the bag, and I'll call a spade a spade, and an enlightened mind will entertain the idea that we made some errors.

notice how the second i suggest a logical thought process this sort of discussion comes up?  The reality is, that this is just the opposit extreme to those who spent the better part of the last couple of years working from home afraid to go out in public.

notice how the second i suggest a logical thought process this sort of discussion comes up?  The reality is, that this is just the opposit extreme to those who spent the better part of the last couple of years working from home afraid to go out in public.

There will be a downside to any preventive measure.