Re: CV and mad panic behaviour
Reply #7204 –
How many people died in Greece for example?
I think last time I saw the figures the Deaths per Day there tripled at the peak of the pandemic, this wasn't a threat? 
Deaths in Australia are still about 20,000 per annum up on the long term averages, and it's expected to stay that way for another year or so before it diminishes, provided there isn't another highly contagious virus or variant.
I think those people count for something, it reminds me of the TAC ad, who would you pick from your family as a sacrifice?
LP, the official numbers are statistically biased. During our peak covid periods, you had record numbers of sick people not getting treatment for serious illnesses, and not going to their appointments, because of the perceived risk the pandemic posed. Seeing a GP during this time was generally quite difficult, so the whole referral process breaks down and in some cases will lead to misdiagnosis, as well as potential illness and death as a consequence. I know I rang up to try and get a GP appointment and was only able to get in with a week lag which I found a bit ridiculous but it is what it is. As a consequence you will see impact adversely to health care for some people, which may very well blow out the morbidity.
When you see official covid numbers, the problem I see is that there is already a statistical anomaly here. People who aren't sick or feeling sick, were not guaranteed to be tested, and ergo, didn't get tested unless they had to perform a public duty or felt symptoms or go through mandatory testing. This means that the actual positive case count could well be far below the total number of positives we have, as the positives we have are likely to be skewed towards those with symptoms, or in a setting where testing was regularly undertaken.
In Greece the compliance to public precautionary testing is likely to have been avoided. Knowing how their systems work, bribing an official will get you what you want, when you want it and if you don't have money, you are better off not being sick. On multiple occasions, I was told that COVID appeared on a death certificate for people that actually never got admitted or a positive diagnosis and no autopsy was performed in those cases.
So, what we have is a death rate for Covid Positive patients who actually had symptoms severe enough to see a doctor, or need to present that positive case to their employer. Not a death rate for all covid positive people (some will simply have avoided testing) and others may have died from non covid related causes.
This same statistical gymnastics was used initially to assume that 100% of covid positive people, ended up in ICU with pneumonia like symptoms based on bad assumptions, and data coming out of Italy.
Looking at the statistics: Greece 5.55M total covid cases. Total deaths 34,779. You hear these numbers and the assumption is that covid isnt the killer that those said it was. I know you are pointing to the extra deaths per day, but again, you have to weigh each case on its merits, not just the data.
What is good for one country doesn't apply elsewhere for a variety of reasons. My faith in the ability of our nation to risk manage has been severely dented by many of the measures enforced and promoted during our covid journey. Thats not going to go away because I am a critical thinker, and Im not someone who is demanding that there is hell to be paid. My example of that nurse earlier, is someone I know very intimately, and had been attempting to have a child for no less than 5 years, and wasnt about to put their foetus at undue risk, using the same risk assessment techniques she used to assess outcomes for the patients that she saw. THAT is the underlying point I want to make here. We have people, who's job and training was to make these sorts of decisions disagreeing with a HR and government mandate. How does that happen?
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