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Title: RIP Bob Hawke
Post by: Lods on May 16, 2019, 07:55:54 pm
https://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/former-prime-minister-bob-hawke-dead/news-story/5f4a4f44a99632c53a0502fd5efaad20

Whatever your affiliation... a Great Australian
RIP
Title: Re: RIP Bob Hawke
Post by: kruddler on May 16, 2019, 08:14:28 pm
I actually spoke about him earlier today and someone said he was not doing well.....not too well at all.  :-[

As Aussie icon and all round top bloke.
Title: Re: RIP Bob Hawke
Post by: madbluboy on May 16, 2019, 08:22:33 pm
RIP Bob

RIP Scomo
Title: Re: RIP Bob Hawke
Post by: DJC on May 16, 2019, 10:53:27 pm
RIP Bob  :(

RIP Scomo  :))

Sad news indeed.  RIP Bob.
Title: Re: RIP Bob Hawke
Post by: sandsmere on May 17, 2019, 06:34:35 am
We have lost a great Australian.

RIP Bob.
Title: Re: RIP Bob Hawke
Post by: cookie2 on May 17, 2019, 07:32:23 am
Very saddening news. RIP.
Title: Bob Hawke
Post by: Baggers on May 17, 2019, 08:47:29 am
What I loved about Bob Hawke, more than anything, was that he loved Australia and all Aussies and everything about our nation. It was often his criticism of Keating, that he didn't LOVE Australia. And he was extremely intelligent with a very low tolerance for fools in the media.

The quality of political leaders in our country, IMHO, has declined... badly.

R.I.P. Hawkey, you were a bloody rip-snorter mate.
Title: Re: RIP Bob Hawke
Post by: Baggers on May 17, 2019, 08:52:22 am
RIP Bob

RIP Scomo

 :)) :)) :)) :)) funny thing is, Hawkey would love that post MBB.
Title: Re: Bob Hawke
Post by: Gointocarlton on May 17, 2019, 08:53:27 am
What I loved about Bob Hawke, more than anything, was that he loved Australia and all Aussies and everything about our nation. It was often his criticism of Keating, that he didn't LOVE Australia. And he was extremely intelligent with a very low tolerance for fools in the media.

The quality of political leaders in our country, IMHO, has declined... badly.

R.I.P. Hawkey, you were a bloody rip-snorter mate.
Perfectly put Baggers. If only we had leaders of his ilk today, sadly they are all a joke. Shorten or ScoMo wouldn't carry Bob's esky. A loveable larrikin God love him

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMa0j5A3nWw
Title: Re: RIP Bob Hawke
Post by: laj on May 17, 2019, 10:31:24 am
Met him a couple of times. Great bloke, had time for you.

Interesting, he was barely taller than our coach. He got up past my chest and that was it.
Title: Re: RIP Bob Hawke
Post by: PaulP on May 17, 2019, 02:01:51 pm
Mixed feelings about Hawke. I felt as though he gave Keating’s neo-liberal agenda a leftie sheen which it didn’t deserve. He seemed affable enough, but his hobnobbing with Holmes à Court and Bond never sat well with me, especially for an ex-union boss. Great Labor politicians of the past (Chifley, Whitlam, JJ Cahill) would be turning in their graves. And the way he treated his ex wife after he took up with Blanche was pretty poor IMO. His daughter had to come out and publicly defend Hazel from accusations that she was a gold digger, accusations that were never countered by Hawke himself.

Given the fairly low political standards under which we currently live, it may seem churlish to pan him, but I’m only a partial fan.
Title: Re: RIP Bob Hawke
Post by: Gointocarlton on May 17, 2019, 03:21:34 pm
Mixed feelings about Hawke. I felt as though he gave Keating’s neo-liberal agenda a leftie sheen which it didn’t deserve. He seemed affable enough, but his hobnobbing with Holmes à Court and Bond never sat well with me, especially for an ex-union boss. Great Labor politicians of the past (Chifley, Whitlam, JJ Cahill) would be turning in their graves. And the way he treated his ex wife after he took up with Blanche was pretty poor IMO. His daughter had to come out and publicly defend Hazel from accusations that she was a gold digger, accusations that were never countered by Hawke himself.

Given the fairly low political standards under which we currently live, it may seem churlish to pan him, but I’m only a partial fan.
To use football parlance, his "off field" form was very ordinary at times.
As for hobnobbing with the affluent, it happens all the time and quite frankly makes the world go round. I read a couple of quotes in the small paper from him, made me stop and think about the type of bloke he was:

“Do you know why I have credibility? Because I don’t exude morality”

“The essence of power is the knowledge that what you do is going to have an effect, not just an immediate but perhaps a lifelong effect, on the happiness and wellbeing of millions of people and so I think the essence of power is to be conscious of what it can mean for others”

On how he wanted to be remembered
“As a bloke who loved his country, still does. And loves Australians and who wasn’t essentially changed by high office.

On the third one, he certainly was the same old Bob IMO.
Title: Re: RIP Bob Hawke
Post by: cookie2 on May 17, 2019, 04:42:05 pm
@ GTC/Paul

He was no saint for sure but his off-field antics are not exactly rare within the political class. Ruthlessness, being two-faced, carefully choosing when to comment, partying etc. are all too prevalent - some just cover it up better than others. The Simon Pures of this world are a rare breed in politics.
Title: Re: RIP Bob Hawke
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on May 17, 2019, 04:42:38 pm
Mixed feelings about Hawke. I felt as though he gave Keating’s neo-liberal agenda a leftie sheen which it didn’t deserve. He seemed affable enough, but his hobnobbing with Holmes à Court and Bond never sat well with me, especially for an ex-union boss. Great Labor politicians of the past (Chifley, Whitlam, JJ Cahill) would be turning in their graves. And the way he treated his ex wife after he took up with Blanche was pretty poor IMO. His daughter had to come out and publicly defend Hazel from accusations that she was a gold digger, accusations that were never countered by Hawke himself.

Given the fairly low political standards under which we currently live, it may seem churlish to pan him, but I’m only a partial fan.

Hawke was a good prime minister, as good as they can be as they all get turned into something worse when they get the job, but his treatment of his ex wife was terrible, gold digging was the domain of the replacement IMHO.
Title: Re: RIP Bob Hawke
Post by: cookie2 on May 17, 2019, 04:46:15 pm
Hawke was a good prime minister, as good as they can be as they all get turned into something worse when they get the job, but his treatment of his ex wife was terrible, gold digging was the domain of the replacement IMHO.

And some prime ministerial candidates are the ones doing the gold digging.  ;)
Title: Re: RIP Bob Hawke
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on May 17, 2019, 04:59:44 pm
And some prime ministerial candidates are the ones doing the gold digging.  ;)

Think you have to be the megalomaniac type to want the job and be prepared to sell everything from your soul to your grandmother
to make it happen. Hustling and being almost Real Estate agent like in the skills of deception are all part of the makeup of a wannabe PM.
ScoMo and Bill Shorten are over qualified for the job on this basis....
Title: Re: RIP Bob Hawke
Post by: cookie2 on May 17, 2019, 05:55:41 pm
Think you have to be the megalomaniac type to want the job and be prepared to sell everything from your soul to your grandmother
to make it happen. Hustling and being almost Real Estate agent like in the skills of deception are all part of the makeup of a wannabe PM.
ScoMo and Bill Shorten are over qualified for the job on this basis....

Very true EB. Making a good marriage can also be a very useful tool to have in the bag.
Title: Re: RIP Bob Hawke
Post by: Baggers on May 17, 2019, 07:20:47 pm
Mixed feelings about Hawke. I felt as though he gave Keating’s neo-liberal agenda a leftie sheen which it didn’t deserve. He seemed affable enough, but his hobnobbing with Holmes à Court and Bond never sat well with me, especially for an ex-union boss. Great Labor politicians of the past (Chifley, Whitlam, JJ Cahill) would be turning in their graves. And the way he treated his ex wife after he took up with Blanche was pretty poor IMO. His daughter had to come out and publicly defend Hazel from accusations that she was a gold digger, accusations that were never countered by Hawke himself.

Given the fairly low political standards under which we currently live, it may seem churlish to pan him, but I’m only a partial fan.

So what did you like about him?
Title: Re: RIP Bob Hawke
Post by: Baggers on May 17, 2019, 07:23:18 pm
Think you have to be the megalomaniac type to want the job and be prepared to sell everything from your soul to your grandmother
to make it happen. Hustling and being almost Real Estate agent like in the skills of deception are all part of the makeup of a wannabe PM.
ScoMo and Bill Shorten are over qualified for the job on this basis....

Couldn't have said it better.

If you're looking for credibility, leadership and integrity we need only look across the 'ditch.'
Title: Re: RIP Bob Hawke
Post by: cookie2 on May 17, 2019, 07:44:23 pm
Not to mention Oscar-winning acting skills.
Title: Re: RIP Bob Hawke
Post by: PaulP on May 17, 2019, 07:59:22 pm
So what did you like about him?

He seemed affable enough, and he seemed to have a certain common touch. I think also he and Keating went part of the way to protecting workers as they deregulated the economy.
Title: Re: RIP Bob Hawke
Post by: Professer E on May 17, 2019, 08:26:35 pm
Baggers....really? 

Title: Re: RIP Bob Hawke
Post by: JonHenry on May 17, 2019, 08:45:59 pm
Not to mention Oscar-winning acting skills.
Agree she has that in spades
Title: Re: RIP Bob Hawke
Post by: JonHenry on May 17, 2019, 08:47:58 pm
Baggers....really?

Yeah she is ready and waiting with wallet in hand.
A mother close by to bail out and just happens to be in front of the cameras
Title: Re: RIP Bob Hawke
Post by: bratblue on May 17, 2019, 09:33:15 pm
Couldn't have said it better.

If you're looking for credibility, leadership and integrity we need only look across the 'ditch.'

And a lack of gravitas and statesmanship. ( At the risk of shooting bambi)
Title: Re: RIP Bob Hawke
Post by: Baggers on May 18, 2019, 11:10:09 am
Baggers....really?

Not a fan of Jacinda?