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Re: AFL Rd 22 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #120
I'm guessing these two sides are going to knock the stuffing out of each other.
It may be a war of attrition that leaves both sides a bit tired and sore for a week or two.
That would add an extra importance to getting the win.

Re: AFL Rd 22 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #121
If TDK had taken a huge offer from a Sydney, and not re-signed with us, then yeah, apply the pressure. But he's stayed on an amount that's probably less than he could've got elsewhere. Barrett is a flog at times and makes sensational comments and predictions, most of which don't come true anyway.

Re: AFL Rd 22 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #122
If TDK had taken a huge offer from a Sydney, and not re-signed with us, then yeah, apply the pressure. But he's stayed on an amount that's probably less than he could've got elsewhere. Barrett is a flog at times and makes sensational comments and predictions, most of which don't come true anyway.
You're better than me if you can explain why TDK attracts this sort of attention.

Is it because in some circles there are perceptions for Carlton going forward it's either TDK or SoJ? That might explain things as it would be the result of whispers circulating in the old Old Boys network. I wouldn't exclude some of this being stirred up by the likes of SOS or Dodo!

Ironically, I suspect the player in the cross hairs at the moment is most likely Young, I think there is little he can offer us that isn't provided by the others in and around the list who have wider capabilities!
The Force Awakens!

Re: AFL Rd 22 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #123
My major concern tomorrow night is that in terms of front line troops we see that Cripps and Charlie are largely unsupported as the moment. Against the Filth I thought we were able to leverage the light weight of Daicos twins and the smaller bodies supporting Pendles and De Goey. Last week I was quite surprised we had such dominance after 1/2-time, because the Aints were physically bigger than us.

This week with Oliver back the Dees are a different category of opponent, their weakest link is probably either Brayshaw or Viney and I don't see either of them as weak at all!

Who will Viney try to clean up, usually it's Hibberd, Harmes or Melksham who trying to bully us, but I think it's down to Viney this week?

btw., I notice Josh Schache listed in emergencies, what a wasted talent. I remember back at the time a lot of people wanted us to take Schache ahead of Weiters, and claimed Harry and Charlie were high risk. I must admit the rumour mill had me doubting Charlie! :o
The Force Awakens!

Re: AFL Rd 22 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #124
Agree, we've had our struggles against bigger bodies / bullies. I think we're starting to minimise that issue when we bring our own pressure. This has been applied well of late. The lightweight I worry about is young Ollie. His ferocious competitive appetite and stamina puts him right in it. Repeatedly. V Pies, he was applying that pressure. He then realised it was angry man Maynard. His reaction appeared to gesture "oops sorry - my bad"

As many have pointed out, we're at our best when we're the hunters. If and when we bring and sustain that type of pressure and win the contest, we're a difficult side to beat.

Some of that has developed since the machine finally clicked q2 v GC. We went from being 2nd to the ball to owning and wrestling back the ball. Walsh out of the centre was sublime.
Whether that’s sustainable, particularly given our constant need to change personal due to injuries, is about to reveal itself. A couple of goals from Dow clearances, and a big game from Martin and Cunners would be a good start. It'll be fascinating to see if Dow can perform against  the strong Dees engine room.

Oh and please don't give Pickett an inch. ? Cue Newman?

Go Blues
Coming together is the beginning.
Keeping together is progress.
Working together is success.
Henry Ford.

Re: AFL Rd 22 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #125
Agree, we've had our struggles against bigger bodies / bullies. I think we're starting to minimise that issue when we bring our own pressure. This has been applied well of late. The lightweight I worry about is young Ollie. His ferocious competitive appetite and stamina puts him right in it. Repeatedly. V Pies, he was applying that pressure. He then realised it was angry man Maynard. His reaction appeared to gesture "oops sorry - my bad"

As many have pointed out, we're at our best when we're the hunters. If and when we bring and sustain that type of pressure and win the contest, we're a difficult side to beat.

Some of that has developed since the machine finally clicked q2 v GC. We went from being 2nd to the ball to owning and wrestling back the ball. Walsh out of the centre was sublime.
Whether that’s sustainable, particularly given our constant need to change personal due to injuries, is about to reveal itself. A couple of goals from Dow clearances, and a big game from Martin and Cunners would be a good start. It'll be fascinating to see if Dow can perform against  the strong Dees engine room.

Oh and please don't give Pickett an inch. ? Cue Newman?

Go Blues

Spot on LN, we need to be at our hunting best to be chance against Melb.
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Re: AFL Rd 22 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #126
LP....Charlie is unsupported as you say, but last 6-7 weeks, what has really stood out is the spread of goalkicking and the impact guys like Jack Martin, Fogarty and Cunningham have had, as well as Moltop and Owies when he came back in. They've applied the pressure and hit the scoreboard most weeks so hopefully no reason why that can't continue on the weekend.

I'll back Hollands in. There wasn't any issues with us throwing him into it in Round 1 in a huge game against Richmond at the MCG and he handled himself pretty well.

Re: AFL Rd 22 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #127
LP....Charlie is unsupported as you say, but last 6-7 weeks, what has really stood out is the spread of goalkicking and the impact guys like Jack Martin, Fogarty and Cunningham have had, as well as Moltop and Owies when he came back in. They've applied the pressure and hit the scoreboard most weeks so hopefully no reason why that can't continue on the weekend.

I'll back Hollands in. There wasn't any issues with us throwing him into it in Round 1 in a huge game against Richmond at the MCG and he handled himself pretty well.
I like your faith in the squad, but if we go to Charlie so predictably this week, he'll be at the mercy of May and Lever and there won't be many crumbing opportunities.

You wouldn't put it past May to have it in his head to take the wind out of Charlie's sails before the finals, ............ given the opportunity just perform a little confidence adjustment!
The Force Awakens!

Re: AFL Rd 22 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #128
I like your faith in the squad, but if we go to Charlie so predictably this week, he'll be at the mercy of May and Lever and there won't be many crumbing opportunities.

You wouldn't put it past May to have it in his head to take the wind out of Charlie's sails before the finals, ............ given the opportunity just perform a little confidence adjustment!

This game will be a good test for a variety of reasons.

Firstly, the most celebrated rucks in the game vs 2 blokes cop their fair share of flak.
Secondly, the importance of having TDK play forward (out of necessity) could win us the game or lose us the game. I'm excited to see which.
Let me explain...
Obviously the ruck thing is self explanatory so i'll skip to point 2.
TDK winning or losing us the game is down to this.
Either he performs to a suitable level and requires someone like May to stand him for the entire game, freeing up Charlie to be more 1 on 1 (basically what we are hoping for)
or
TDK is largely useless up forward, we play into their hands and Charlie gets double teamed anyway, but we have 1 less effective forward to help him out.
By playing TDK, we are actually giving someone for May/Lever to play on in tandem with Charlie.
If TDK wasn't there, their backline could be too top heavy and May/Lever would be forced to play on a small.....who they wouldn't be able to keep up with.
It reminds me of Setanta and his (3) little helpers. Teams couldn't match up on Walker, Betts and Garlett when Setanta was the only key forward. They were usually too tall, and trying to play their 2nd tall on Walker (a 190cm highflying, agile, fast/hard running medium type) meant they were beaten in one or more of those areas. If they put their best medium/small defender on Walker, one of the other 2 would have a day out. They each had 48, 50 and 56 goals with that smaller/unconventional forward setup.
It could work for us this week, but we may never know.


Re: AFL Rd 22 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #129
May and Lever usually play as intercepting defenders rather than lockdown defenders and Petty has usually taken the best KP forward until his move to the forward line and is now out injured.
I think they are vulnerable especially May who isnt quick and if he lines up on Charlie I reckon our man will take the points if he moves around and leads up the ground. Im also expecting them to start with Van Rooyen and Grundy on the ground together down forward hoping to get a size mismatch and at worst have the ball on the deck for their smalls who have been playing well.
With Oliver back they may be tempted to play Petracca down forward more often which I dont mind, I think Melbourne are at their most dangerous when they have Oliver and Petracca together in the middle.
Pickett, Chandler, Melksham and Petracca is a slippery forward quartet who have been doing well in recent weeks and I see this setup as more of a challenge than the ruck duels.
Blues by 7 points but this will be a difficult game and its shame Oliver and Grundy have returned this week as both will want to prove a point and while Oliver has been out for a while and should be rusty I think he will prove otherwise and be a nuisance but hopefully run out of gas late in the game.


Re: AFL Rd 22 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #130
So we offered to put the Matildas on the screen but FIFA are saying if we put it on we have to keep it on during our match if it goes to extra time? Yeah Nah.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Rd 22 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #131
May and Lever usually play as intercepting defenders rather than lockdown defenders and Petty has usually taken the best KP forward until his move to the forward line and is now out injured.
I think they are vulnerable especially May who isnt quick and if he lines up on Charlie I reckon our man will take the points if he moves around and leads up the ground. Im also expecting them to start with Van Rooyen and Grundy on the ground together down forward hoping to get a size mismatch and at worst have the ball on the deck for their smalls who have been playing well.
With Oliver back they may be tempted to play Petracca down forward more often which I dont mind, I think Melbourne are at their most dangerous when they have Oliver and Petracca together in the middle.
Pickett, Chandler, Melksham and Petracca is a slippery forward quartet who have been doing well in recent weeks and I see this setup as more of a challenge than the ruck duels.
Blues by 7 points but this will be a difficult game and its shame Oliver and Grundy have returned this week as both will want to prove a point and while Oliver has been out for a while and should be rusty I think he will prove otherwise and be a nuisance but hopefully run out of gas late in the game.

That was the point though, with Petty out, they will need to lockdown on an opponent. Are we giving them an 'easy kill' by allowing May to play on TDK, and still being able to sag off and help out lever on Charlie?

Who would May play on if TDK wasn't there?

 

Re: AFL Rd 22 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #132
Im probably going to regret saying this but I prefer Boyd back in the team down back than Fisher, doesnt mean Fisher cant stay in the 22/3 if his form deserves it but playing the loose half back role is about the easiest job going and id rather a specialist defender first than another rebounder only and while no huge fan of Boyd I think he has more idea defensively than Fisher.
Fisher is playing the McGovern role. Kicker out of defence

Re: AFL Rd 22 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #133
In most games that I have watched May takes the best forward.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!