That Blitz-ar$e has come out of nowhere.
It's a good start. What problems we did have have increased 20 fold.
We had something, not perfect but something decent to build off when you come 5th, and within 3 years now we have nothing and on the bottom.
Not that you would ever admit you're wrong. Ego couldn't cope. Come on, you can do it wr, wr, wr, wr......
Within 3 years you reckon?
Oh wait, thats right you've blocked out 2012.
As MBB so eloquently put it - 2012 happened!
Cmon Jimbo, you wanna talk about being wrong. You wanna share why you are no longer Jim The Great?
Go crawl back into your hole.
The trigger has to be pulled on MM this week, it doesn't matter who is the problem. MM is part of the problem, so get rid of him
He's gone mate.
Almost certainly, but in four years time we'll want to sack the next unfortunate sod that gets the CFC coaching gig.
It's how we roll, and why we are where we are.
Within 3 years you reckon?
Oh wait, thats right you've blocked out 2012.
As MBB so eloquently put it - 2012 happened!
Cmon Jimbo, you wanna talk about being wrong. You wanna share why you are no longer Jim The Great?
Go crawl back into your hole.
You're taking this loss worse than MM kruds.
The old useless prick is gone champ, get over it.
Changes to be made
MM gone
Cripps captain
I just don't get our forward set up... I know a few blokes are injured but maybe we could have played Jaksch as a leading option and at least kept the Cats' tall backs a little bit more occupied... we win the ball and there are no forward options to kick too. Far too often Blicavs etc mark unopposed.
The Coach wouldn't survive in any other sport, anywhere after months of this drivel.
I said a 70 point loss...I might be wrong...
I defy anyone to win an AFL match when your key forward options are Casboult, Jones and Watson.
If we delisted the three of them they'd all be playing in the suburban leagues next year.
That was rancid
Your taking this loss worse than MM kruds.
The old useless prick is gone champ, get over it.
I know he is gone.
I don't have an issue with him getting the sack. I have an issue with the club thinking that giving him the sack means they've made the tough call and are somehow improving us as a result.
I defy anyone to win an AFL match when your key forward options are Casboult, Jones and Watson.
If we delisted the three of them they'd all be playing in the suburban leagues next year.
Sums it it up.
In the first half, and early in the third, I thought we might keep it to 5 or 6 goals - and then, we just ran out of................everything.
Jones to the Bullants and accept the mistake. Look for other key forwards. Jones isn't a forwards jock strap.
I know he is gone.
I don't have an issue with him getting the sack. I have an issue with the club thinking that giving him the sack means they've made the tough call and are somehow improving us as a result.
Nah
You've backed this stooge to the hilt and it's grinding you.
Knowing he's gone and accepting he's should take a large responsibility are different things.
Jones to the Bullants and accept the mistake. Look for other key forwards. Jones isn't a forwards jock strap.
Who do we bring in?
Jones gave us 3x the possessions, intensity and presence than Watson did last week.
If not Watson....then who? Hendo and Kreuzer are both injured. The cupboard is bare.
Foxfooty gonna show embarrassing footage of sr players not defending. 35 tackles lowest tally for the year by any club.
Nah
You've backed this stooge to the hilt and it's grinding you.
Knowing he's gone and accepting he's should take a large responsibility are different things.
I've backed him to turn around the club culture. The club itself is bigger than Mick and is not helping him in anyway by declaring a rebuild after Round 2.
If i was in charge of the club, i'd sack Mick this week. not because of our effort tonight, or last week, but because he publicly went against what the club has said. Personally, i agree with Mick. However, the CEO and Pres are not going to step down, so thats our only option.
We need unity. Even if we are all following the people down the wrong path....at least we are doing it together.
Foxfooty gonna show embarrassing footage of sr players not defending. 35 tackles lowest tally for the year by any club.
That Malthouse chap really get's them playing for him. ::)
I've backed him to turn around the club culture. The club itself is bigger than Mick and is not helping him in anyway by declaring a rebuild after Round 2.
If i was in charge of the club, i'd sack Mick this week. not because of our effort tonight, or last week, but because he publicly went against what the club has said. Personally, i agree with Mick. However, the CEO and Pres are not going to step down, so thats our only option.
We need unity. Even if we are all following the people down the wrong path....at least we are doing it together.
Yeah, but how has he coached kruds?
Happy with the game plan, player development and team buy in?
It's been crap from DAY ONE of his appointment.
Yeah, but how has he coached kruds?
Happy with the game plan, player development and team buy in?
It's been crap from DAY ONE of his appointment.
I'm not happy with how he has coached.
Again, i don't have an issue with him being criticised for his coaching ability. I have an issue with people thinking he is the #1 problem at the club and changing our head coach makes everything rosy.
Listening to Trigg on Fox and he instills very little confidence or certainty. Still banging on that they will assess the coaches roles in the back half of the year. By the there will be no members and the no one turning up to game.
Let's see if we can get 1 page on the actual game, rather than another Mick thread.
I'll start this one off......well - I did end up attending & how predictable was the result of this game? FMD.......
Worst month of football I have witnessed from ANY Carlton team in my 44 year lifetime.......
I'll start this one off......well - I did end up attending & how predictable was the result of this game? FMD.......
Worst month of football I have witnessed from ANY Carlton team in my 44 year lifetime.......
I started one too - mods please merge
I'm not happy with how he has coached.
Again, i don't have an issue with him being criticised for his coaching ability. I have an issue with people thinking he is the #1 problem at the club and changing our head coach makes everything rosy.
Agree. His coaching has big issues, but the club has been a mess for so long it has made little difference. More of a case that the off field needs to be sorted before we can sort out the coaching issues.
His carry on about the players being affected by rebuild talk is however possible grounds to move him on. That is when an employee thinks they are bigger than the organisation and it cannot be acceptable.
Who do we bring in?
Jones gave us 3x the possessions, intensity and presence than Watson did last week.
If not Watson....then who? Hendo and Kreuzer are both injured. The cupboard is bare.
Cupboards are bare indeed. Kreuzer by my read is leg soreness. Not a new injury, or the same foot problem. Predicting he could be ready for next week. Jones looks like a mistake. Letting Waite go didn't help our forward issue. Jones has played 6 games and offered not much. Watson needs to be given a few games to show some worth. We cannot let one player play multiple games and offer little. Then let another player play one game and drop him without a chance to improve. Why? Exactly because you highlighted the issue. The cupboard is bare. Delivery forward never helps our forwards. I say that without hesitation. Jones just doesn't look like anything than a 3rd forward at best. Levi struggled today and needs to lift his game.
I'll start this one off......well - I did end up attending & how predictable was the result of this game? FMD.......
Worst month of football I have witnessed from ANY Carlton team in my 44 year lifetime.......
Don't lose hope yet, the "bye" is coming.
Just when I thought I couldn't lose any more respect ... Cameron Ling comes out and says:
1) Selwood doesn't duck - he just bends his knees and shrugs his shoulder.
2) It should be a free kick if a tagger has eyes for his opponent rather than the ball.
WTF?!? Well, if that's the case Lingy, then HOW BLOODY GOOD ARE DIESEL AND JUDDY? Played their whole careers against idiots who wouldn't know what a football looked like and still won 5 Brownlow's between them. Yes, 5 - I'M TALKING TO YOU RUSSO.
Hard to watch but wasn't surprised.
Simmo tried hard all night
Ed shutdown Selwood
Menzel chimed in with 4
Throw the rest, including the coach, in really deep hole and back fill it.
Prepare for a smashing in the media and smashing on the field next week #lifeasacarltonfcfan
Just when I thought I couldn't lose any more respect ... Cameron Ling comes out and says:
1) Selwood doesn't duck - he just bends his knees and shrugs his shoulder.
2) It should be a free kick if a tagger has eyes for his opponent rather than the ball.
WTF?!? Well, if that's the case Lingy, then HOW BLOODY GOOD ARE DIESEL AND JUDDY? Played their whole careers against idiots who wouldn't know what a football looked like and still won 5 Brownlow's between them. Yes, 5 - I'M TALKING TO YOU RUSSO.
Bending at the knees is lowering yourself. Lowering yourself is ducking and playing for a free. Didn't we love how Wood smashed him!!!
Listening to Trigg on Fox and he instills very little confidence or certainty. Still banging on that they will assess the coaches roles in the back half of the year. By the there will be no members and the no one turning up to game.
Stevo is san idiot, the obvious question to Triggs comment of waiting til the 2nd half of the year is "Can you afford to wait that long?"
I would have loved to have heard an answer to that question!
Bending at the knees is lowering yourself. Lowering yourself is ducking and playing for a free. Didn't we love how Wood smashed him!!!
Yes I particularly enjoyed the 100m penalty and goal, highlight of my night.
Bending at the knees is lowering yourself. Lowering yourself is ducking and playing for a free. Didn't we love how Wood smashed him!!!
Bl00dy fantastic. If you're gonna go down, at least go down fighting. Umpiring was bewildering all night.
Iaj. He does another clever thing if you watch him close. He lets the tackle around the outside of his triceps, and then lift hard with his right arm. This makes your arm slip up over the shoulder and directly around his neck. Watch his next time he plays. Its very clever because he has good core strength and upper body strength. Doesn't collapse and fall to ground unless he is dragged down.
Yes I particularly enjoyed the 100m penalty and goal, highlight of my night.
Yes, that was sooooooo worth the penalty and the goal!
I tipped the cats by 70....was 7 off. :(
Worst team i have seen pull on the jumper. Worst because they are playing with so little commitment. Even the retreads of the Pagan years seemed to put in more.
The lack of tackles tonight stood out the most. Just dreadful and the major reason the geelong middle sailed the ball end to end so many times. Less than 40 tackles in a game is disgraceful. Little pressure meant that geelong at times lapsed to allow us some easy ball. Of course we coughed it up without a wimper. The terrible kicking mjst be a running joke across other teams now, who play with confidence that they will win the footy back so easily.
The few good players were Curnow who did a decent job on Selwood and managed to get some touches himself. Reward for commitment. Simpson was courageous, especially early. Menzal played well, although 4 goals flattered. Other players that did ok were Docherty, Tutt and Murphy in patches. Wood tried hard, but while we fans like to see Selwood knocked about, Wood gave away a dumb 50m penalty. Yarran gave us some run, and Buckly did ok when he came on but the game was well over.
Umpiring was deadset ordinary tonight. The quality of the ball ups and throw ins was average and should be better. The advantage rule was mangled again, to the detriment of the game.
Supporting this mob is hard work, and there was nothing to get excited about tonight, just nothing, except to know we are a game closer to the end of the season.
Can someone please explain to me why, for the 2nd time this month, when a midfielder has been a late withdrawal, Mick brings in a lumbering dinosaur of a ruckman in his place? Seriously - has this ever been explained by Mick? It's as bad a team selection as I've ever seen and makes absolutely no sense whatsoever....wtf is he thinking? What it does do is render Casboult utterly useless, as Casboult is not a natural footballer & doesn't play the role of a forward well enough or smart enough - but if he's got the secondary ruckman role, he instantly becomes much more relevant to the team. Words fail me at Warnock's inclusion......
I'm not having a go at him per se, but geez, I thought Cripps was hugely disappointing tonight.
Menzel may have kicked 4 - but it should've been 6 or 7, his kicking is highly suspect & his pre-kick at goal routine is ridiculous & clearly does not help.
What was Gibbs' injury?
Nothing to say here.....
Better board for longer time
Top quality president ceo footy ops coach recruiter list management reserves development than carlton for over 15 years.
That's why we lost tonight....
What was Gibbs' injury?
Hurt his back.
What was Gibbs' injury?
Back. Judd pulled up sore too.
Nothing to say here.....
But then you did ;) :P
Thought Gibbs may have hurt his foot the way his was scuffing every kick in the 3rd..... :P
Btw - for all those who were there....how flat was the crowd tonight? Wow it was subdued.....was as if the crowd turned up expecting exactly what played out, two teams just going through the motions as the inevitable unfolded to script. We are a truly pitiful football team right now, there is nothing. My Club embarrasses me....that is all.
Jesus Christ couldn't coach that mob to a win.
We are totally bereft of talent.
The only player at that club for whom I have got time and believe, provided he stays, has a future, is Patrick Cripps.
There is not one other player there that I can say is the future of this club.
How about we all be really honest here.
Walker, at the end of his career, gone.
Menzel, has ability, but turns the ball over time and again.
Got 4 cheap goals tonight. is injury prone and a decent knock and he's gone.
Murphy, without doubt, the weakest most uninspiring captain in the game. can't kick more than 40 metres and needs a gale behind him to do it. Turns the ball over time and again. Can't build a future around him.
Gibbs, the less I say the better,, and unless we get rid of him, will have to put up with the princess fort another four and a half years. can't build a future around him.
Judd, playing one year too many. great champion, but gone from a future point of view.
Simpson, plays his heart out Is at the end of his career, so can't build a future around him.
Buckley, tries hard, but is another who lacks the ability to pinpoint a pass. Is light on, and I was hoping he could be another Simpson and take over his mantle,. the jury is out.
Cripps, see above.
Warnock, tries hard, but will be delisted at years end.
Boekhorst, they were kidding, weren't they?
Liam Jones, can take a mark, but can't kick to save his life. Just not good enough.
Sam Docherty, getting better, trying hard, but kicks terribly and is responsible for turning the ball over far too often. Must improve that part of his game because he's killing us.
Sam Rowe, watched him very closely tonight. An absolute hack. Mick said that he's been the best down in defence. The ball has been going down there that often, that he's bound to get some touches, but I saw him walk towards a contested ball that was no more than two metres away from him. No other club in the league would play him.
Kristian Jaksch needs to put on weight. Can't match it with the stronger forwards. At the moment, not good enough.
Mark Whiley, too slow, huge disappointment to me thus far.
Dennis Armfield, does three good things a game, then buggers up ten times. been the same for years. No future at the Club.
Tom Bell, tries hard, lacks pace, no Kouta, never will be. Field kicking is terrible.
Nick Graham, doesn't get a full game because he's too slow, and can't match it at AFL level. Is a two's player only. Another great pick.
Everitt. Like a boarding house cup of tea, big and weak. Looks like he's tossed the towel in.
Ed Curnow, a player with limited ability, who makes the most of it. Trys hard, but lacks pace.
Cameron Wood. A plodder.
Dale Thomas, playing half fit and injured, only about 40 % of his former self. A terrible decision to draft him knowing that he had a complete foot reconstruction.
Levi, can take a mark. Can take a mark. Can take a mark. That's where it begins and ends. Too one dimensional.
Zach Tuohy, overrated by many at the club. Can't kick left foot, and can't think to save his l
life. wasn't brought up with the game, and it shows.
David Ellard. Puulease!!
Ciaran Byrne, hopefully, when he's over his injury, will show us that he CAN be a player of the future.
Mathew Dick. Surname says it all.
Tom Fields, hasn't had a game so don't know yet. Doing O.K. in the two's but that means nothing at AFL Senior level.
Jayden Foster, who knows.
Cameron Giles, got a navicular issue, might never play.
Billy Gowers who knows.
Lachie Henderson, gone next year unless my mail is wrong. Too injury prone, anyway so won't be huge loss.
Michael Jamieson, shoulders are stuffed and so is he.
Blaine Johnson, average.
Mathew Kruezer, out of contract, gets sore very easily. Huge issue for the club whether or not they resign him. Probably will but he's a risk.
Fraser Russel can't say so who knows.
Ciaran Sheehan, had a hip operation, hope he comes up next year, but may not.
Clem Smith, fast, but at this point in time that's where it begins and ends.
Jason Tutt thought he was quick. He isn't and he can't tackle to save his life.
Vojo rainbow, hasn't played a game in the seniors so don't know.
Brad Walsh, playing great footy in the two's can that translate to the seniors? nedd to wait till next year.
Mathew Watson, please go, Mathew.
Simon White. Too injury prone, can't match it with the big bodied forwards.
Chris Yarran, playing angry, giving away frees, excellent trade bait.
Now, combine that with an inability to hit a target because they have deplorable kicking skills, the inability to tackle, the inability to kick straight when 30 metres directly in front of goal, a total lack of pace in the whole team, a total lack of ability to think and make the right choices during a game, it is fair to say that we are a complete rabble, and that the future is completely bleak.
:( :( :(
screw that was awful
screw that was awful
Should you start the 'Swans Obliterate Carlton' thread or should I?
Thought we would go down by 100+ and probably would have if Geelong didn't play so badly. Swans next week will absolutely obliterate us. Only highlights for me was Simmo's form and the fact that we played man on man football all night. What a breath of fresh air. I'd rather that for he rest of the year than the tripe we've been dishing up.
Warnock in again??? WTF. Will we never learn?
Swans are likely to lose against the Hawks, which will mean they will be looking to revenge the result with some hurt against us next week. This is only a guess at best but we could go down by more than 20 goals next week. Wouldn't that just rock the club. It would leave us with one supporter for the following game against Adelaide at the MCG. Mick by himself with not even one assistant turning up. Is it possible we could get our percentage below 50%. No point in keeping an eye on winning points. It will stay at 4 for a while by the look of things. Get the knife out and the block of pine.
I know we were short of troops but White on KP talls doesnt work and he got lucky Hawkins didnt kick well.....when Henderson and Jamison didnt come up one of Jaksch or Watson or both had to play. Its the same old Carlton sending undersized players to bigger players and then being carved up.
Why Warnock was included I dont know....Geelong dont care about the hitouts so much they just back there mids to win the contests and prefer to have their followers in Blicavs and Stanley run all over the ground and get involved in general play..
Three lumbering rucks in a night game doesnt work and I dont get our structure or planning at all...
Simpson..one of our better players on the night, got tired though and ended the night with that horror screwed kick that went backwards...
Rowe....didnt do a lot a lot but either did Clark IMO so it was probably job done...Clark looked listless like his mind was somewhere else and his depression
is still holding him back..
White...sold by the coach into trouble vs Hawkins and was outmuscled but kept on keeping on even though he new the task was hopeless.
Touhy..useless....turnover merchant , predictable and should be dropped, his kicking is overhyped and I saw him turn away from an oncoming opposing player when he should have tackled him and he just doesnt care enough IMO..
Docherty..not as good as in previous weeks but steady with the ball...
Armfield...A for effort, beat Motlop but also turned the ball over when he had it...
Everitt..not sure if had Murdoch but I wasnt impressed by his general play at all..
Judd...Guthrie had his measure again and I reckon Juddy might be glad to trade jumpers with Guthrie and not play on him again..
Cripps.....some good work at the coalface by hand but doesnt kick the ball enough and can sell teammates into trouble because he lacks confidence by foot...his opposite number in Caddy really hurt us and Cripps has to do better when his man has the footy...
Gibbs..injured
Murphy...not a great game and his possies didnt hurt the Cats..the big bodied mids really hurt Murph and he doesnt have the pace to get away anymore and
most of his kicks are under pressure.
Menzel...4 goals, a few misses, stats looked good on paper but there is a casual laconic approach much like Everitt that doesnt grab me.....better tonight than last time but you just knohe can do better with more application...
Curnow...a winner vs Selwood, got under his skin, worked him over and did his job..
Wood.....no Dean Cox but for a rookie upgrade he has a go and both him and Warnock controlled the taps, got his usuall clearances and showed some fight when he roughed up Selwood and I'll give him a pass tonight because he did try...
Warnock..some good ruckwork but not much else...
Casboult....nada, zilch, zero...no output from the Boult at all...
Jones....some effort here and there but he looks raw in terms of awareness, delivery and nous...threw himself around and got the odd mark but is no real threat on goal
and his kicking isnt much better than Casboults...and with your two KP Forwards unable to convert you wont win many games..
Tutt...Very good in the first half but faded..to his credit he can deliver the footy but is no Eddie Betts in terms of class or nous.. he did try but his lack of size and strength
count against him when tackling, marking etc....
Bell...didnt make many mistakes and is learning but seemed subdued tonight.....
Buckley....added some life when he came on as the sub....did ok.
Yarran.....some classy stuff but also went missing and seems grumpy with umps and makes a few bad mistakes through his temper...
Daisy...good early but then nothing for the rest of the game...looked slow and unfit....and fed up, probably carrying another injury and looks on the way out with too many injuries IMO...
Good summary EB :D
The media seem to be showing lots of vision of the president and his merry men in the stand last night.
They're giving it the Gladiator treatment
Marcus LoGiudice Commodus and his Praetorian guard sitting in the stand plotting the demise of the old general/Gladiatior Mickus
Well, who is going to admit they were wrong?
The club has backed itself into the corner by saying MM is going full term as has MM.
Someone has to short circuit this absurd situation.
As members what are we allowed to do?
Mathew Dick. Surname says it all.
;D
Should you start the 'Swans Obliterate Carlton' thread or should I?
Don't want to upset anybody Brettie.
It was like watching the Washington Generals play the Globetrotters last night.
Kicks in the full, flour bags off the side of the boot, kicking into teammates, missed tackles, dropped marks, set shots not even hitting the goals or the points.
It was watching it live that I truly appreciated how awful we are. And undersized. The Geelong mids of Guthrie, Murdoch, Caddy etc just waltzed through us. Comments from guys who supported either team noticed how undersized our players were.
It was just embarrassing. I don't remember being this bad in 2005/6??
@bignic
An excellent summation, very accurate. SOS has some task hasn't he? So there will be another massive turnover this year and for the next 1-2 years after that. That means we are stuck with some of the spuds mentioned above, who are the best of a bad lot? Its gonna hurt for some time. Thry said on another thread things will improve, not with this lot it won't.
The two standout items for me are:
1. Our laziness and lack of will to attack the man with the footy. ALL of our blokes at best make half assed attempts to chase and tackle. Its embarrassing.
2. And my biggest pet hate is the way the defenders (term used extremely loosely) play. Now I realise they are under siege 99% of the time but FFS can they watch the footy coming in and use peripheral vision or the odd glance to work out where their opponent is? Its seriously laughable. They get cought out of position 9 times out of 10 because of this one error they continually make. Do the coaches not tell them? I feel like going to the defensive coach and punching him in the head. And every one of them do it, seriously!!! Is it a confidence thing?
Either way, I sick to death of finding excuses for these blokes. They just aren't up to AFL standard.
It was watching it live that I truly appreciated how awful we are. And undersized. The Geelong mids of Guthrie, Murdoch, Caddy etc just waltzed through us. Comments from guys who supported either team noticed how undersized our players were.
That came through on the TV too.
There were a couple of lowlights that stuck in my mind.
The ball was going into the Geelong forward line at one stage and there was a wide shot. All our guys were manned up pretty well but they all seemed about 30cm smaller than their opponents.
I thought of Derek Zoolander at the time...This was a defence of ants :(
Towards the end of the game Buckley was going forward and there was no options ahead of him.
Our guys were in one on ones, but they all kept moving slowly back towards the goal....their Geelong opponents content to just stay close and keep between them and the ball.
No-one thought to move sideways to create an option, to lead up or to try and get some separation.
I think in the end (after looking up for a lead a couple of times) he just kicked it to a contest and the ball was turned over.
Wonder if Selwood will get looked at for that elbow to Curnows head and the scragg at the face when he was running off the field. DOG acts of the Hodge kind.
Wood should get a medal for what he did to Selwood, but I like it when the cats player dragged Wood off Selwood and Wood inadvertently kicked Selwood in the head. Dog, oh already said that.
Wonder if Selwood will get looked at for that elbow to Curnows head and the scragg at the face when he was running off the field. DOG acts of the Hodge kind.
Wood should get a medal for what he did to Selwood, but I like it when the cats player dragged Wood off Selwood and Wood inadvertently kicked Selwood in the head. Dog, oh already said that.
Dont understand the hate for Selwood TBH. Gun footballer, inspirational leader at such a young age, hard at it, knows how to milk a free, kicks goals when they are needed and we picked Gibbs instead. Yeah I hate him also. ::)
Dermott summed it up pre and post game. The team has no balance, good at winning the ball but poor defending on the outside due to lack of pace. The game has got much quicker in the last few years and we haven't recruited enough pace.
Dermott summed it up pre and post game. The team has no balance, good at winning the ball but poor defending on the outside due to lack of pace. The game has got much quicker in the last few years and we haven't recruited enough pace.
And you can make up for pace with good disposal and good decision making but...
We played a lot better.... and lost by almost 80 points ???
Dont understand the hate for Selwood TBH. Gun footballer, inspirational leader at such a young age, hard at it, knows how to milk a free, kicks goals when they are needed and we picked Gibbs instead. Yeah I hate him also. ::)
If Curnow was doing that to one of ours we'd be crying foul.
Dont understand the hate for Selwood TBH. Gun footballer, inspirational leader at such a young age, hard at it, knows how to milk a free, kicks goals when they are needed and we picked Gibbs instead. Yeah I hate him also. ::)
Hate tinged with a heavy shade of green.
If Curnow was doing that to one of ours we'd be crying foul.
Yeah, but how many people loved the way Franchina used to play? ;)
Judd has copped more than his fair share, it's about the time to even up the score the other way.
Dermott summed it up pre and post game. The team has no balance, good at winning the ball but poor defending on the outside due to lack of pace. The game has got much quicker in the last few years and we haven't recruited enough pace.
And when we have recruited such players (Kane Lucas), it never seems to work out.
And when we have recruited such players (Kane Lucas), it never seems to work out.
I think too many are getting sucked into the contest. There's no coordination. I think teams have learned to wait outside for us to deliver the ball to them or strip it off our outnumbered runners.
Dermott summed it up pre and post game. The team has no balance, good at winning the ball but poor defending on the outside due to lack of pace. The game has got much quicker in the last few years and we haven't recruited enough pace.
Run and spread was our strength under Ratten. It's all gone unfortunately.
Jesus Christ couldn't coach that mob to a win.
We are totally bereft of talent.
The only player at that club for whom I have got time and believe, provided he stays, has a future, is Patrick Cripps.
There is not one other player there that I can say is the future of this club.
How about we all be really honest here.
Walker, at the end of his career, gone.
Menzel, has ability, but turns the ball over time and again.
Got 4 cheap goals tonight. is injury prone and a decent knock and he's gone.
Murphy, without doubt, the weakest most uninspiring captain in the game. can't kick more than 40 metres and needs a gale behind him to do it. Turns the ball over time and again. Can't build a future around him.
Gibbs, the less I say the better,, and unless we get rid of him, will have to put up with the princess fort another four and a half years. can't build a future around him.
Judd, playing one year too many. great champion, but gone from a future point of view.
Simpson, plays his heart out Is at the end of his career, so can't build a future around him.
Buckley, tries hard, but is another who lacks the ability to pinpoint a pass. Is light on, and I was hoping he could be another Simpson and take over his mantle,. the jury is out.
Cripps, see above.
Warnock, tries hard, but will be delisted at years end.
Boekhorst, they were kidding, weren't they?
Liam Jones, can take a mark, but can't kick to save his life. Just not good enough.
Sam Docherty, getting better, trying hard, but kicks terribly and is responsible for turning the ball over far too often. Must improve that part of his game because he's killing us.
Sam Rowe, watched him very closely tonight. An absolute hack. Mick said that he's been the best down in defence. The ball has been going down there that often, that he's bound to get some touches, but I saw him walk towards a contested ball that was no more than two metres away from him. No other club in the league would play him.
Kristian Jaksch needs to put on weight. Can't match it with the stronger forwards. At the moment, not good enough.
Mark Whiley, too slow, huge disappointment to me thus far.
Dennis Armfield, does three good things a game, then buggers up ten times. been the same for years. No future at the Club.
Tom Bell, tries hard, lacks pace, no Kouta, never will be. Field kicking is terrible.
Nick Graham, doesn't get a full game because he's too slow, and can't match it at AFL level. Is a two's player only. Another great pick.
Everitt. Like a boarding house cup of tea, big and weak. Looks like he's tossed the towel in.
Ed Curnow, a player with limited ability, who makes the most of it. Trys hard, but lacks pace.
Cameron Wood. A plodder.
Dale Thomas, playing half fit and injured, only about 40 % of his former self. A terrible decision to draft him knowing that he had a complete foot reconstruction.
Levi, can take a mark. Can take a mark. Can take a mark. That's where it begins and ends. Too one dimensional.
Zach Tuohy, overrated by many at the club. Can't kick left foot, and can't think to save his l
life. wasn't brought up with the game, and it shows.
David Ellard. Puulease!!
Ciaran Byrne, hopefully, when he's over his injury, will show us that he CAN be a player of the future.
Mathew Dick. Surname says it all.
Tom Fields, hasn't had a game so don't know yet. Doing O.K. in the two's but that means nothing at AFL Senior level.
Jayden Foster, who knows.
Cameron Giles, got a navicular issue, might never play.
Billy Gowers who knows.
Lachie Henderson, gone next year unless my mail is wrong. Too injury prone, anyway so won't be huge loss.
Michael Jamieson, shoulders are stuffed and so is he.
Blaine Johnson, average.
Mathew Kruezer, out of contract, gets sore very easily. Huge issue for the club whether or not they resign him. Probably will but he's a risk.
Fraser Russel can't say so who knows.
Ciaran Sheehan, had a hip operation, hope he comes up next year, but may not.
Clem Smith, fast, but at this point in time that's where it begins and ends.
Jason Tutt thought he was quick. He isn't and he can't tackle to save his life.
Vojo rainbow, hasn't played a game in the seniors so don't know.
Brad Walsh, playing great footy in the two's can that translate to the seniors? nedd to wait till next year.
Mathew Watson, please go, Mathew.
Simon White. Too injury prone, can't match it with the big bodied forwards.
Chris Yarran, playing angry, giving away frees, excellent trade bait.
Now, combine that with an inability to hit a target because they have deplorable kicking skills, the inability to tackle, the inability to kick straight when 30 metres directly in front of goal, a total lack of pace in the whole team, a total lack of ability to think and make the right choices during a game, it is fair to say that we are a complete rabble, and that the future is completely bleak.
:( :( :(
Don't be so hard on Dick ;D.
Yeah, but how many people loved the way Franchina used to play? ;)
Judd has copped more than his fair share, it's about the time to even up the score the other way.
Absolutely. Don't get me wrong - would LOVE to see a washing machine mangle Selwood's jumper so that the colours ran and it came out with a white CFC on a navy background.
What makes my blood boil is that he has so many apologists in the media. Juddy has been manhandled off the ball his entire career and somehow that's ignored or considered acceptable.
A bit of consistency please.
Run and spread was our strength under Ratten. It's all gone unfortunately.
Prime Judd carried everyone. Before Judd we were bottom and now he's coming to the end we are bottom again.
Bottom line for me - Geelong looked like they had all the time in the world when they had the ball and could move it quickly and at will. We looked harassed and under pressure when we had it and quickly turned it over or if we eventually got it forward too often missed the shot at goal.
We put almost zero pressure on opposition teams for very long stretches of games - they are free to create, look good and kick goals. Couple that us having to work our asses off to get into F50 and then too often missing the goal - no wonder we are demoralised.
Is that the "game plan", lack of game plan,laziness/incompetence by the players or a combination of all three?
I don't believe our game plan is to not chase and tackle.
We played a lot better.... and lost by almost 80 points ???
It is one of the things that frustrates me. We have been playing poorly with almost no heart and with guys playing for themselves. But last night a few guys appeared to be headed back in the right direction.
But what happens? We get smashed. And by a team definitely on the decline. GWS impressed me a LOT more than Geelong, even with Geelong having 2 very effective forwards. GWS's game plan was better, their players were quicker and they beat us at our strengths (such as they are at the moment). Judd had to play an excellent game, and we still couldn't get close.
Geelong were nothing in comparison and we played better, yet the result is as bad? I don't understand it.
Curnow smashed Selwood. Armfield smashed Motlop. Johnson didn't do much and we managed to control Clark and Hawkins much better than I feared. Simmo came back to something like form.
But could they miss? No, they could not. Their kicking for goal was perhaps the difference.
I was very unimpressed by the umpiring last night. We simply didn't need that kind of rubbish when we were no serious threat. In the 3rd quarter it was obvious that they were trying to even up the numbers, but even then the decisions were rubbish.
We laid our first tackle on the 5th min mark.. that says a lot about our intensity/gameplan..
I've been an observer on this website for quite sometime over the years.. we had our ups (never seemed to back it up) and a whole of lots of downs for over a year now and spiraling further unfortunately..
I'm more of that hopeful person.. I get myself pumped up each week with all the positives I can find within the team, and expect a good result, but it all goes to trash in the first few minutes of each game.. and this goes on and on each week.
There is this voice in my head that says what if this rebuild goes to shambles as well.. what then? What does this prestigious club stand for then..
Sad times ahead unfortunately.. "HOPE" is all we can do..
Go Blues!
Gokz93
Prime Judd carried everyone. Before Judd we were bottom and now he's coming to the end we are bottom again.
Paradoxically, I find this idea both meritorious yet somehow overly simplistic.
Paradoxically, I find this idea both meritorious yet somehow overly simplistic.
So is it a co-incidence? I guess we'll never know.
So is it a co-incidence? I guess we'll never know.
I don't know. Judd clearly has been our main inside /grunt work mid during his time with us. This allowed Murph, Gibbs et al to be outside runners / receivers. I guess the players have known for a while that they needed to share more of the inside workload, so now that they do more of this work, maybe it's a case of robbing Peter to pay Paul ? The guys that used to be more outside haven't been replaced with anyone else, or anyone good.
As my son would write, idk.
Jofo seems to think we simply have too many numbers around the ball. As he said, lack of coordination. Doesn't seem to adversely affect the Swannies or the Purple Haze........
Before they play the swans this week, I would have the players at training do two things only for the whole week.
Firstly, I would have them practice trying to hit a target from about 30 metres away.
Our turnovers last night were deplorable, Armfield, Simpson, Menzel with some shockers, Murphy, and others found it impossible to hit one of our players on the chest when they were not under pressure.
The second thing, goal kicking practice from 40 metres out. Jones, Menzel etc. killed us, with their crap goal kicking from set shots, and what about Curnow. yes, he did a terrific job against Selwood. But that doesn't cover up the sin of missing from 20 metres out.
You really wonder what the 6 months of training over Summer was all about.
if they could have just got those two things right last night, who knows what might have happened?.
Yes, they would have been beaten, but kick goals instead of points and reduce the margin you are behind and the confidence builds.
Hit your target instead of turning the ball over resulting in goals, and your confidence doesn't collapse.
We played a lot better.... and lost by almost 80 points ???
Exactly what I said to my mate on the trip home last night......"Best we've played in a month & we still get smashed."
I seriously cannot believe how bad it has become......I am without speech.....
Before they play the swans this week, I would have the players at training do two things only for the whole week.
Firstly, I would have them practice trying to hit a target from about 30 metres away.
I'd get them to do that before we drafted them.
I'd get them to do that before we drafted them.
You know when I was watching last night, I noticed that many times, turnovers occurred when we went for options that required pin point accuracy. For mine, when you are as down on confidence as we are, its a recipe for disaster. They need to change it up a little perhaps, get them to run/spread wider and further away from opponents (sacrifice zones and man on man) and allow the kicker to hit a "bigger" target if you like. The kicks/passes will need to be longer but we may reduce the margin for error a little. We need to un clutter the spaces if we can. We may even get hurt on the rebound but dark me, at least we just hand it over on platter. I dunno, gotta try something different.
There is this voice in my head that says what if this rebuild goes to shambles as well.. what then? What does this prestigious club stand for then..
Sad times ahead unfortunately.. "HOPE" is all we can do..
Go Blues!
Gokz93
Follow the Richmond plan! ;)
Before the game this week, I'd tell them that anyone who comes off the ground with less than 5 tackles, doesn't get paid!
Needs to be bruise filled football.
Before the game this week, I'd tell them that anyone who comes off the ground with less than 5 tackles, doesn't get paid!
Needs to be bruise filled football.
If you give them that option, they won't even hit the park ever again. It is a good option though. 35 tackles in a game is just not good enough. Especially as our tackles rarely spill the ball. Our tackle effectiveness is low enough to start with.
"We are talking about doing those things but I suppose it comes down to each individual having a really hard look at themselves and wanting to do that,” Murphy said on Triple M.
“I’ve got to cop that on the chin because I have got to attack the ball and attack the man as ferocious as anyone because I have got to lead by example.
“Getting one of two tackles or whatever I did last night was not good enough.”
Its not rocket science Murph, it really isn't.
"We are talking about doing those things but I suppose it comes down to each individual having a really hard look at themselves and wanting to do that,” Murphy said on Triple M.
“I’ve got to cop that on the chin because I have got to attack the ball and attack the man as ferocious as anyone because I have got to lead by example.
“Getting one of two tackles or whatever I did last night was not good enough.”
Its not rocket science Murph, it really isn't.
Talk is cheap. Work through actions. He is getting harder at his activities in his last game and does get smacked around. How about others put heir body on the line. How about every player step up and enough of this talk. Start acting for a change.
Heard Gibbs interviewed on SEN. He sounds like a nice enough guy but he does not have the first idea about what the problems could be let alone how to go about fixing them - he's totally exasperated. He does not sound like he has that hard centre of a true leader and like other of our players I heard recently can only offer that they need to work harder. I fear that we also need to work a lot smarter. No use working harder if we are not working on the right issues, which I suspect we are not.
The problem with these player interviews nowadays is that the players' comments are so cliched. Take it with a grain of salt.
Heard Gibbs interviewed on SEN. He sounds like a nice enough guy but he does not have the first idea about what the problems could be let alone how to go about fixing them - he's totally exasperated. He does not sound like he has that hard centre of a true leader and like other of our players I heard recently can only offer that they need to work harder. I fear that we also need to work a lot smarter. No use working harder if we are not working on the right issues, which I suspect we are not.
You can listen to the whole interview on SEN's website. Robbo really pressed him on what's the difference in his form from last year to this year. Gibbsy had nothing poor bastard, other than to say he is working with Laidley on trying to fix it. Sounded really flat. He said they have a 24hr rule where they can be upset over a loss for that amount of time maximum, then they move on and focus on the next game. Robbo suggested they perhaps should have some time together and hit each other with some home truths over a beer. Gibbsy replied along the lines that you can talk all you like, its about doing and its time to do rather than talk. Liked that reply.
Liked that reply.
I liked it the first time i heard it. We are about 5 weeks in with that reply and it's wearing very thin!
You can listen to the whole interview on SEN's website. Robbo really pressed him on what's the difference in his form from last year to this year. Gibbsy had nothing poor bastard, other than to say he is working with Laidley on trying to fix it. Sounded really flat. He said they have a 24hr rule where they can be upset over a loss for that amount of time maximum, then they move on and focus on the next game. Robbo suggested they perhaps should have some time together and hit each other with some home truths over a beer. Gibbsy replied along the lines that you can talk all you like, its about doing and its time to do rather than talk. Liked that reply.
In a way so do I - my one reservation is about what they are
actually doing. I don't know obviously, but I just hope it is the right things. However hard you may be working, you have to be working smart, not knocking yourself out with things that may not be addressing the real problems.
Funny how our blokes avoid the question about whether the group got together and rolled out some confronting home truths.
We know MM doesn't agree with the 360 feedback model.
You can listen to the whole interview on SEN's website. Robbo really pressed him on what's the difference in his form from last year to this year. Gibbsy had nothing poor bastard, other than to say he is working with Laidley on trying to fix it. Sounded really flat. He said they have a 24hr rule where they can be upset over a loss for that amount of time maximum, then they move on and focus on the next game. Robbo suggested they perhaps should have some time together and hit each other with some home truths over a beer. Gibbsy replied along the lines that you can talk all you like, its about doing and its time to do rather than talk. Liked that reply.
That sounds like they are not reviewing their performance enough if that's the case. When you're losing you surely need to focus on what you're doing wrong in order to rectify the problem? At least I would've thought.
That sounds like they are not reviewing their performance enough if that's the case. When you're losing you surely need to focus on what you're doing wrong in order to rectify the problem? At least I would've thought.
Yes and he was asked that also. Flobbo asked about something they did against GWS (low tackling count I think) and said they did it again this week, why? Gibbsy didn't have an answer. Something just doesn't add up.