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Title: Vale Gough Whitlam
Post by: Lods on October 21, 2014, 09:34:31 am
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-03-10/gough-whitlam/3945026

Whether you agreed with his policies or not, his contribution and impact on Australian politics was as significant as any.

A good innings...RIP
Title: Re: Vale Gough Whitlam
Post by: PassIt2Carrots on October 21, 2014, 10:00:07 am
"So may we say God save the Queen, because nothing will save the Governor General".

I don't think I was alive when he said these words but I know them very well. RIP.
Title: Re: Vale Gough Whitlam
Post by: LordLucifer on October 21, 2014, 10:01:07 am
"cause Gough was tough till he hit the rough" - MIDNIGHT OIL
Title: Re: Vale Gough Whitlam
Post by: bratblue on October 21, 2014, 01:35:47 pm
A great intellectual and a great Australian.
Title: Re: Vale Gough Whitlam
Post by: Phillipwh on October 21, 2014, 02:53:22 pm
Gough was worthy to barrack for the Blues
more so than Malcolm and Bob Menzies
Title: Re: Vale Gough Whitlam
Post by: MosquitoFleet on October 21, 2014, 03:14:37 pm
A magnificent Australian.
A Patriot
A Legend.
Title: Re: Vale Gough Whitlam
Post by: ItsOurTime on October 21, 2014, 04:56:07 pm
Definitely get wild variations regarding his work. Big historical figure, no doubt. RIP
Title: Re: Vale Gough Whitlam
Post by: PaulP on October 21, 2014, 06:28:23 pm
A colossus of Australian politics. 98 is an innings completely befitting this great man. Nearly got the ton.

RIP. 
Title: Re: Vale Gough Whitlam
Post by: chalkybill on October 21, 2014, 09:24:18 pm
Gough did SOME good things but if you were like me and struggled under 18% home loan interest you may not be so kind.   >:(  >:(  >:(   How would you like that on your current home loan?  Please think also about the huge ego of a person who DEMANDED that his ministers and fellow parliamentarians refer to him as 'Leader'.   It took him a very long time to get a ministry together and meanwhile he controlled the whole show with only one other.  Also remember too that if Australia felt that he was hard done by in his dismissal why then did he lose the following election in a landslide?  A great voice, did some good things but they were outweighed by his failures.
Title: Re: Vale Gough Whitlam
Post by: DJC on October 22, 2014, 12:15:25 am
The main problem Gough faced was that he had far too many incompetent and dodgy characters on his front bench.  With that hindrance, he still managed to bring in sweeping reforms that we're still benefiting from today or we will at least until the Suppository of All Wisdom takes them away.

Gough was a great Australian and will be sadly missed. RIP

By the way, Malcolm Turnbull certainly went up in my estimation today.  He is a statesman.
Title: Re: Vale Gough Whitlam
Post by: Juddkreuzer on October 22, 2014, 12:26:21 am
By the way, Malcolm Turnbull certainly went up in my estimation today.  He is a statesman.

Turnbull is a great Prime Minister in limbo. A reflection of the tragic political climate within which we are all pawns in the media games that ultimately have no real benefit to the Australian society. Abbott v Turnbull should be a no brainer yet here we are.
Title: Re: Vale Gough Whitlam
Post by: Juddkreuzer on October 22, 2014, 12:29:53 am
Stole this from the AGE...

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So why does his inevitable and any-day-now-for-the-past-several-years death strike such a chord?

I think it's partly because of the invidious comparison with what our nation has become.

The optimism, the positivity, the change, the opening up, the justice, the independence, the betterment of the nation, the internationalisation that Whitlam sought and represented has been replaced after four decades with a more general negativity, with so little ambition, with a conservative determination to uphold the status quo or even return to some earlier imagination of it, with white-bread nationalism resplendent.

I fear we don't mourn Gough, but ourselves
.

Hmmmm!!
Title: Re: Vale Gough Whitlam
Post by: Mantis on October 22, 2014, 12:33:21 am
I never liked the guy, but have to pay my respect for those who have passed away. They all have family members and friends that could be different people to what they represented in life. RIP, and all the best wishes to the entire family and friends.
Title: Re: Vale Gough Whitlam
Post by: Juddkreuzer on October 22, 2014, 12:36:50 am
I never liked the guy

Why?
Title: Re: Vale Gough Whitlam
Post by: MosquitoFleet on October 22, 2014, 07:33:42 am
By the way, Malcolm Turnbull certainly went up in my estimation today.  He is a statesman.

Turnbull is a great Prime Minister in limbo. A reflection of the tragic political climate within which we are all pawns in the media games that ultimately have no real benefit to the Australian society. Abbott v Turnbull should be a no brainer yet here we are.

Pure speculation
Turnbull was a poor leader of oppposition
Did not know the craft of politics and is still learning
abbott although I dont like the guy has all the skills and  craft as a politician hence he is the PM
Title: Re: Vale Gough Whitlam
Post by: Mantis on October 22, 2014, 09:50:52 pm
I never liked the guy

Why?

Don't get me wrong as I didn't hate him. I just didn't like him in particular. I remember he had a level of self belief and confidence in the beginning and soon realised his arrogance and love of himself had him thinking he was the greatest. He had many good ideas, but he also had ideas that just wouldn't work. I don't want to bad talk him as every political leader will be loved by some, and not so much by many. Didn't hate him, but wasn't a big fan. I liked him better than Gillard, that's for sure. I pay my respect to his family and friends and may he RIP.
Title: Re: Vale Gough Whitlam
Post by: Gointocarlton on October 22, 2014, 10:07:54 pm
"So may we say God save the Queen, because nothing will save the Governor General".

I don't think I was alive when he said these words but I know them very well. RIP.
I think this is correct, its ironic that he gave god save the queen the arse and put in advance australia fair.
Title: Re: Vale Gough Whitlam
Post by: Juddkreuzer on October 22, 2014, 11:17:04 pm
I never liked the guy

Why?

Don't get me wrong as I didn't hate him. I just didn't like him in particular. I remember he had a level of self belief and confidence in the beginning and soon realised his arrogance and love of himself had him thinking he was the greatest. He had many good ideas, but he also had ideas that just wouldn't work. I don't want to bad talk him as every political leader will be loved by some, and not so much by many. Didn't hate him, but wasn't a big fan. I liked him better than Gillard, that's for sure. I pay my respect to his family and friends and may he RIP.

Thanks Mants, I respect your opinion. Disagree on Gillard though. She probably polarises in a similar vein to Gough but was a great PM who shall earn her dues in the history of time. Rudd was her Kerr.