Very interesting to see how this pans out.
Low scoring, scrappy, fumbly.
Blah.
Hard to imagine what selection can do to fix this mess, you'd have to change half the team if you did it on merit!
We'll probably find baring injuries not many changes for next week.
PS: Oh my mistake, one change, Daisy out! ::)
The game was there for the taking. We had our nose in front, tails up and then a midget laid out our ruckman. Game changer right there, coupled with a shocker from Gibbs and serious brains fart from Murphy = 0-2.
Casboult had a shocker that was masked by that goal in the last, Armfield should never, EVER!!! play a game for the blues again.
Smedts wasn't bad, had some great moments but kicking is woeful. Curnow did a job on Lewis. Pickett, I'm not sure, when he's on he's great and then disappears for 2 qtrs.
SPS learned how not to play the game. Marchy and the Plow were serviceable. Rowe did well on Hogan. Simon white- see armfield.
Curnow will benefit from a week or 2 in the seconds. The general was ok. SOJ - has to learn how to lead. Ffs how can none of our forwards lead. Fūck me sideways, which is it so hard to lead?!?
Oh, Big Matty Wright had a great game.
Anyways, I will go drown my sorrows now
The game was there for the taking. We had our nose in front, tails up and then a midget laid out our ruckman. Game changer right there, coupled with a shocker from Gibbs and serious brains fart from Murphy = 0-2.
Casboult had a shocker that was masked by that goal in the last, Armfield should never, EVER!!! play a game for the blues again.
Smedts wasn't bad, had some great moments but kicking is woeful. Curnow did a job on Lewis. Pickett, I'm not sure, when he's on he's great and then disappears for 2 qtrs.
SPS learned how not to play the game. Marchy and the Plow were serviceable. Rowe did well on Hogan. Simon white- see armfield.
Curnow will benefit from a week or 2 in the seconds. The general was ok. SOJ - has to learn how to lead. Ffs how can none of our forwards lead. Fūck me sideways, which is it so hard to lead?!?
Oh, Big Matty Wright had a great game.
Anyways, I will go drown my sorrows now
Who is our forward coach? :o
Who is our forward coach? :o
Actually pretty pointless anyways, there is no one down there usually, then everyone is down there. ::)
Hard to imagine what selection can do to fix this mess, you'd have to change half the team if you did it on merit!
We'll probably find baring injuries not many changes for next week.
PS: Oh my mistake, one change, Daisy out! ::)
Yes, more run slightly less height in defence (ie White), and more runners through the midfield. Probably play another key forward although if we get the ball into the F50 as slow and horribly as we did today no key forward will "volunteer" to come out of the NBs..lol.
OUT: C Curnow, Casboult, Armfield
In: Harry Mackay, any young mid, seriously anyone one could do the same or better then armfield, Jaksch
Who is our forward coach? :o
Who's our midfield coach more like it. Forwards have no hope with the lack of run and awful ball use.
It's not the coaches people. Let's face it, it's the players. They are just not A graders. Gibbs and Murph are good footballers, they are not great. Don't get me wrong, you need that type but only to support for the likes of Crippa
OUT: C Curnow, Casboult, Armfield
In: Harry Mackay, any young mid, seriously anyone one could do the same or better then armfield, Jaksch
CC needs a rest, Armfield tried very hard but is out of form. Casboult had the worst 3rd qtr imaginable, damn awful, but still took 8-9 marks as the first half and last qtr were decent (still mixed with a few crappy errors), and anyway we have no back up ruckmen. Need a 2nd key forward though badly to back up Weitering.
Casboult was woeful...a lampost would be more useful...
Armfield...gone
Charlie Curnow...been drinking his own bathwater, needs some tough love in the twos...
Docherty....error ridden, lack of awareness at times mixed with some good stuff..
MacReadie reminds me of Darren Milburn.....going ok
Marchbank...good but with some turnovers by foot..
White...gone
Rowe did the job on Hogan but marking a footy to him is akin to catching a RPG...
Simpson ok...but last season..
Smedts...reliable to a point but needs to do more..
Pickett...like him but needs to do more when he is on..
SPS...learning the game and will be in and out of play
Weitering....learning about playing forward, not his fault delivery is so poor.
Wright.. very effective footballer
Plowman, good all day apart from one poor tackle attempt.
Murphy and Gibbs...ok at times and also turned the footy over badly especially Murphy,,
Kruezer...battled well vs the bigger Gawn.
Ed Curnow..beat Lewis but his disposal is so poor its a 50/50 call on his effectiveness overall IMO..
SOSOS...poor IMO, looked slow and is kicking like Casboult...still young so I shouldnt expect too much but he needs to work harder for his kicks..
Cripps...gun all day, played his best game for a while and easy BOG IMO...
Thomas...couple of good things but just went..
Yes think Charlie needs a change, bring in Mackay but not in a key role let him grow into it to much pressure at an early age. Keep some big bodies up forward, maybe even Rowe at times to switch things up. We have a range of tall defenders . Let's use them to switch things up .
I must have watched a different game.
Was impressed with the endeavor and heart today. Melbourne took till 20 mins into the last to put the game in the bag. Many on here predicted this mob will definitely play finals and made a good outfit look poor last week.
I know it's difficult to be positive when you have a loss but we must remember we had SOJ, C Curnow, Marchbank, SPS, mcCredie and Pickett all in today and curnow aside thought the rest were very serviceable. SOJ is the veteran of this list with 10games!!!
Hard to win with 6 players under 10 games.
Add in Weitering, plowman and cripps as more young players yet to notch 50 games and that's a very young team today.
While I'm disappointed with some of the costly errors from senior players and to lose yet again but I saw enough today to say we are tracking ahead of where I thought we would be.
I'm happy with the kids progress.
A bit of perspective needed folks.
One goal between Casboult, Charlie Curnow,, Silvagni and Weitering and it was always going to be tough but in fairness to them the last kick in was woeful all day.
Until our field kicking improves we won't trouble any good sides.
The back 6 looks too top heavy to me, no one at the fall of the ball all day and either White or Macredie seem surplus to requirements.
I liked Smedts today, Cripps was much better, Murphy and Gibbs both gave it all they had and Docherty was very good.
It was better than last week, much better, sustained effort and they played for each other, but boy are our general skills shabby.
OUT: C Curnow, Casboult, Armfield
In: Harry Mackay, any young mid, seriously anyone one could do the same or better then armfield, Jaksch
Agree with those outs.
I am an armfield fan, but 2 weeks in a row...
I thought Smeds had a shocker too, but he was good last week.
I thought McCreadie went well today.
Docherty wasnt up to his usual standard.
Pickett looks a good pick up. Fast!
Our backline is frustrating... Individually they seem to do a really good job, but we seem really leaky. I think the midfield need to take some of the flak for that with a lack of pressure on the opposition sending the ball forward. It was telling that our defensive pressure was the reason we got back into the game, and it was the lack thereof that took it away from us.
Gibbs was really off today. Murphy had patches of good play, then multiple brain fades.
Cripps was back on his game today. Not back to his best, but a big improvement on last week.
Curnow kept Lewis quiet, but had a couple of errors that hurt.
I thought Weitering was quiet today. He also seemed a little slower than usual, maybe that corky was still giving him grief.
One goal between Casboult, Charlie Curnow,, Silvagni and Weitering and it was always going to be tough but in fairness to them the last kick in was woeful all day.
Until our field kicking improves we won't trouble any good sides.
The back 6 looks too top heavy to me, no one at the fall of the ball all day and either White or Macredie seem surplus to requirements.
I liked Smedts today, Cripps was much better, Murphy and Gibbs both gave it all they had and Docherty was very good.
It was better than last week, much better, sustained effort and they played for each other, but boy are our general skills shabby.
If you're a budding key forward you wouldn't be volunteering to wanting to play seniors right now...lol.
For all of the criticism I make, I did quite enjoy our effort as a whole today.
The fact we were well in the game so late was great. Our endeavour (from most of the team) was much better and a credit to the boys.
Loved the endeavour but gee we could've won that. Just better disposal and decision-making that would've been enough. We were in front, dominated the start of the last qtr but prompted rooted everything we touched giving Melbourne their chance.
While not many will give him credit thought Rowe was terrific today.
Beat 2 flogs in 2 consecutive weeks.
If you're a budding key forward you wouldn't be volunteering to wanting to play seniors right now...lol.
We sure make it tough for our forwards, even under little pressure we manage to kick it over their head or to the wrong side, or just don't see them at all and kick and hope.
Weitering actually made good position three or four times today and we missed him each time.
While not many will give him credit thought Rowe was terrific today.
Beat 2 flogs in 2 consecutive weeks.
Agree....Hogan is a double flog....
I must have watched a different game.
Was impressed with the endeavor and heart today. Melbourne took till 20 mins into the last to put the game in the bag. Many on here predicted this mob will definitely play finals and made a good outfit look poor last week.
I know it's difficult to be positive when you have a loss but we must remember we had SOJ, C Curnow, Marchbank, SPS, mcCredie and Pickett all in today and curnow aside thought the rest were very serviceable. SOJ is the veteran of this list with 10games!!!
Hard to win with 6 players under 10 games.
Add in Weitering, plowman and cripps as more young players yet to notch 50 games and that's a very young team today.
While I'm disappointed with some of the costly errors from senior players and to lose yet again but I saw enough today to say we are tracking ahead of where I thought we would be.
I'm happy with the kids progress.
A bit of perspective needed folks.
Well said Shawny, I thought it was the older blokes that let us down with very costly errors. In particular Gibbs and doc.
Well said Shawny, I thought it was the older blokes that let us down with very costly errors. In particular Gibbs and doc.
Agree and Murphy was the worst IMO......
While not many will give him credit thought Rowe was terrific today.
Beat 2 flogs in 2 consecutive weeks.
Yes, he's been good again. Just wish he'd back himself to mark more. When he punches he often tends to find the opposition. Still, reckon he's gone alright at CHB since he was put there a few years ago.
Wish the likes of Fisher was ready and Boekhorst and Buckley consistent. That'd be some line breaking speed.
Have no confidence in Levi anymore.
Setanta was a better forward option than Levi.
Wish the likes of Fisher was ready and Boekhorst and Buckley consistent. That'd be some line breaking speed.
I'm not confident that Boekhorst and Buckley will be on our list in 2018.
Tuohy has left a bigger hole than we thought that he might by the way.
Agree....Hogan is a double flog....
Agreed. Rowe would get a game for almost anyone.
Think they will have to chuck Buckley in or even try Armfield back... even if they are purely negating their opponents, it would take a bit of the load off Simpson and Docherty.
We are leaving a little too much to Murphy/Cripps/Gibbs/Simpson/Docherty, and they all made some errors today. But we also need to continue to get games into kids. It is a fine line.
Can see a few selection changes this week, just to rebalance the side a bit and get in a couple of guys who can get their hands on the ball (Graham/Palmer/Kerridge).
Effort was great today, seriously thought they would beat us by 10 goals.
I must have watched a different game.
Was impressed with the endeavor and heart today. Melbourne took till 20 mins into the last to put the game in the bag. Many on here predicted this mob will definitely play finals and made a good outfit look poor last week.
I know it's difficult to be positive when you have a loss but we must remember we had SOJ, C Curnow, Marchbank, SPS, mcCredie and Pickett all in today and curnow aside thought the rest were very serviceable. SOJ is the veteran of this list with 10games!!!
Hard to win with 6 players under 10 games.
Add in Weitering, plowman and cripps as more young players yet to notch 50 games and that's a very young team today.
While I'm disappointed with some of the costly errors from senior players and to lose yet again but I saw enough today to say we are tracking ahead of where I thought we would be.
I'm happy with the kids progress.
A bit of perspective needed folks.
Been preaching that all pre-season.
Reckon all in all, we did ok. We ran out of legs late, but its to be expected with the kids we have.
A few blokes need a rest. Curnowfides needs to recharge his batteries a bit and boost the confidence.
I'd give Pickett and SPS at least another week to get better used to the speed of it, then i'd send them back to get a confidence boost as well.
Macreadie looks to be coping ok so far.
Long term view required
Macreadie and Marchbank looking the goods.
I agree SPS and Pickett can stay, but I reckon C.Curnow is on the rocks, he might get a pass due to SOJ getting the hip corky.
Not sure Daisy will come up next week, looks like a knee from the taping. Pity, he worked really hard, probably second only to Wright.
Sad to say, I reckon time has caught up with Simmo and Armfield.
We look like such a lightweight side compared to Melbourne and I wouldn't rate them as a big side. Even Cripps and Weitering didn't look that big.
I must have watched a different game.
Was impressed with the endeavor and heart today. Melbourne took till 20 mins into the last to put the game in the bag. Many on here predicted this mob will definitely play finals and made a good outfit look poor last week.
I know it's difficult to be positive when you have a loss but we must remember we had SOJ, C Curnow, Marchbank, SPS, mcCredie and Pickett all in today and curnow aside thought the rest were very serviceable. SOJ is the veteran of this list with 10games!!!
Hard to win with 6 players under 10 games.
Add in Weitering, plowman and cripps as more young players yet to notch 50 games and that's a very young team today.
While I'm disappointed with some of the costly errors from senior players and to lose yet again but I saw enough today to say we are tracking ahead of where I thought we would be.
I'm happy with the kids progress.
A bit of perspective needed folks.
Agree 100%. We all know what Cripps, Docherty and Weiters will bring in the next 10 years, but I already see Marchbank, Plowman, Macreadie and SPS becoming elite players. SOJ and Charlie are still very young, but I've no doubt they will become stars.
Pickett and Smedts could be anything. Love Matty Wright.
We have big Harry making huge strides with the NB's, Byrne and Phillips to return and the potential of highly rated youngsters such as Fisher, Cunningham, Lebois, Kerr and Polson.
We are in the second year of a rebuild. Expect us to target quality midfielders this draft.
When we are ready to challenge I expect that of the established players who played today only Murphy will still be there. Kreuzer has an outside chance.
Agree 100%. We all know what Cripps, Docherty and Weiters will bring in the next 10 years, but I already see Marchbank, Plowman, Macreadie and SPS becoming elite players. SOJ and Charlie are still very young, but I've no doubt they will become stars.
Pickett and Smedts could be anything. Love Matty Wright.
We have big Harry making huge strides with the NB's, Byrne and Phillips to return and the potential of highly rated youngsters such as Fisher, Cunningham, Lebois, Kerr and Polson.
We are in the second year of a rebuild. Expect us to target quality midfielders this draft.
When we are ready to challenge I expect that of the established players who played today only Murphy will still be there. Kreuzer has an outside chance.
After what I saw today at Arden Street I think you can add Galucci and probably Williamson to those hopefuls (Le Bois and Kerr didn't play).
Weitering actually made good position three or four times today and we missed him each time.
That's what I love about him. He just knows how to play "smart". The 3 goals he got last week were sodas because he led to the front of the goal square. He should have got more last week as well but we just don't have the - dare I say it - Dustin Martin-type players who can hit a target from 50.
Very lopsided slant on performances today. Murphy runs his guts out and gets battered and gets crucified for a few turnovers, yet Pickett does one or two good things and he did OK? Give me a break, the reason that Murph and Gibbs are turning the ball over is fatigue and the young kids playing with them don't know how to make space. I saw Simmo on the back flank searching for a kicking target and all Pickett had to do was run to the boundary and he could put the ball out in front, yet he stood in the centre square. Over a quarter of the team have not played 10 games yet, that is why we lost not Murphy, Gibbs and Curnow.
With that behind me, I thought we played well today. We looked like an AFL team. Ball was switched, targets were hit, a definite defensive structure that only broke down a few times. Tackles were laid and our players stood up for each other. Loved Weitering coming in after Lewis slugged Cripps, closely followed by Wright and Silvagni. That's what build team spirit, you walk a bit taller knowing that you have mates that have your back.
White and Dennis are both on borrowed time, we just need someone to stand up and take their place from the VFL. We don't have a small defender on the list, Cam Poulson this is how you get a game, you ask to go to a back pocket, learn the game, use pace shot down the small forwards that we have struggled with for too long.
An improvement this week blue boys and a piss weak start
Casboult was woeful...a lampost would be more useful...
Armfield...gone
Charlie Curnow...been drinking his own bathwater, needs some tough love in the twos...
Docherty....error ridden, lack of awareness at times mixed with some good stuff..
MacReadie reminds me of Darren Milburn.....going ok
Marchbank...good but with some turnovers by foot..
White...gone
Rowe did the job on Hogan but marking a footy to him is akin to catching a RPG...
Simpson ok...but last season..
Smedts...reliable to a point but needs to do more..
Pickett...like him but needs to do more when he is on..
SPS...learning the game and will be in and out of play
Weitering....learning about playing forward, not his fault delivery is so poor.
Wright.. very effective footballer
Plowman, good all day apart from one poor tackle attempt.
Murphy and Gibbs...ok at times and also turned the footy over badly especially Murphy,,
Kruezer...battled well vs the bigger Gawn.
Ed Curnow..beat Lewis but his disposal is so poor its a 50/50 call on his effectiveness overall IMO..
SOSOS...poor IMO, looked slow and is kicking like Casboult...still young so I shouldnt expect too much but he needs to work harder for his kicks..
Cripps...gun all day, played his best game for a while and easy BOG IMO...
Thomas...couple of good things but just went..
Spot on assessment that.
We really need a few blokes with some crap in them, we did well enough today to get the Dees worried enough to start sniping but seriously, Lewis should have been decked. Off the ball, intentional, three weeks minimum if the MRP are half serious.
Still carry too much dead wood and passengers. Too many can't tackle, are fumbly and use the ball very poorly.
I must have watched a different game.
Was impressed with the endeavor and heart today. Melbourne took till 20 mins into the last to put the game in the bag. Many on here predicted this mob will definitely play finals and made a good outfit look poor last week.
I know it's difficult to be positive when you have a loss but we must remember we had SOJ, C Curnow, Marchbank, SPS, mcCredie and Pickett all in today and curnow aside thought the rest were very serviceable. SOJ is the veteran of this list with 10games!!!
Hard to win with 6 players under 10 games.
Add in Weitering, plowman and cripps as more young players yet to notch 50 games and that's a very young team today.
While I'm disappointed with some of the costly errors from senior players and to lose yet again but I saw enough today to say we are tracking ahead of where I thought we would be.
I'm happy with the kids progress.
A bit of perspective needed folks.
Agree Shawny, but the game was there for the taking. I felt one more goal would have broken their back. The senior players then let us down. But yes, there were signs of progress with the newer, younger blokes, the older blokes just did what they've always done.
Very lopsided slant on performances today. Murphy runs his guts out and gets battered and gets crucified for a few turnovers, yet Pickett does one or two good things and he did OK? Give me a break, the reason that Murph and Gibbs are turning the ball over is fatigue and the young kids playing with them don't know how to make space. I saw Simmo on the back flank searching for a kicking target and all Pickett had to do was run to the boundary and he could put the ball out in front, yet he stood in the centre square. Over a quarter of the team have not played 10 games yet, that is why we lost not Murphy, Gibbs and Curnow.
With that behind me, I thought we played well today. We looked like an AFL team. Ball was switched, targets were hit, a definite defensive structure that only broke down a few times. Tackles were laid and our players stood up for each other. Loved Weitering coming in after Lewis slugged Cripps, closely followed by Wright and Silvagni. That's what build team spirit, you walk a bit taller knowing that you have mates that have your back.
White and Dennis are both on borrowed time, we just need someone to stand up and take their place from the VFL. We don't have a small defender on the list, Cam Poulson this is how you get a game, you ask to go to a back pocket, learn the game, use pace shot down the small forwards that we have struggled with for too long.
An improvement this week blue boys and a piss weak start
Fair post Raydan. It seemed to me in the 2nd half we tried to use the corridor more, which I liked.
Bpttom line is it was a major improvement on the Tigers game but still way too many cheap screw ups.
I'd be dropping 3 or 4 - C. Curnow, Armfield, White and Thomas.
Levi - well, he still offers a real target. I guess if McKay is promoted straight swap for Levi...
SOJ? could go too.
If Levi goes with Army, White and Thomas (we know Daisy will not get dropped) i guess Charlie and SOJ get a reprieve...
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I must have watched a different game.
Was impressed with the endeavor and heart today. Melbourne took till 20 mins into the last to put the game in the bag. Many on here predicted this mob will definitely play finals and made a good outfit look poor last week.
I know it's difficult to be positive when you have a loss but we must remember we had SOJ, C Curnow, Marchbank, SPS, mcCredie and Pickett all in today and curnow aside thought the rest were very serviceable. SOJ is the veteran of this list with 10games!!!
Hard to win with 6 players under 10 games.
Add in Weitering, plowman and cripps as more young players yet to notch 50 games and that's a very young team today.
While I'm disappointed with some of the costly errors from senior players and to lose yet again but I saw enough today to say we are tracking ahead of where I thought we would be.
I'm happy with the kids progress.
A bit of perspective needed folks.
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Predictions had us losing by 40 or so. Could have been a lot closer had we not started in sleepwalker mode again.
The Good:
- a 19 year old kid getting stuck into Lewis after he decked Cripps
- Wright's goals. He hardly ever misses!
- Daisy's mark
- great signs from the youngsters mentioned by others
The Bad:
- Gibbs' turnover in the last. Sorry, fatigued or not, not good enough.
The Ugly:
- Hogan and Lewis
Been preaching that all pre-season.
Reckon all in all, we did ok. We ran out of legs late, but its to be expected with the kids we have.
A few blokes need a rest. Curnowfides needs to recharge his batteries a bit and boost the confidence.
I'd give Pickett and SPS at least another week to get better used to the speed of it, then i'd send them back to get a confidence boost as well.
Macreadie looks to be coping ok so far.
Long term view required
Macreadie, Plow and Marchy will be very good for a very long time me thinks. Add Weiters to that trio and we have a back line that will stand up week in week out. I understand BB trying to play him fwd but he is robbing Peter to pay Paul IMO. Our midfield toils away but there is no depth. Our fwd line (Wright aside) is virtually non existent. SOS should have nailed a couple but his kicking was off.
Very lopsided slant on performances today. Murphy runs his guts out and gets battered and gets crucified for a few turnovers, yet Pickett does one or two good things and he did OK? Give me a break, the reason that Murph and Gibbs are turning the ball over is fatigue and the young kids playing with them don't know how to make space. I saw Simmo on the back flank searching for a kicking target and all Pickett had to do was run to the boundary and he could put the ball out in front, yet he stood in the centre square. Over a quarter of the team have not played 10 games yet, that is why we lost not Murphy, Gibbs and Curnow.
With that behind me, I thought we played well today. We looked like an AFL team. Ball was switched, targets were hit, a definite defensive structure that only broke down a few times. Tackles were laid and our players stood up for each other. Loved Weitering coming in after Lewis slugged Cripps, closely followed by Wright and Silvagni. That's what build team spirit, you walk a bit taller knowing that you have mates that have your back.
White and Dennis are both on borrowed time, we just need someone to stand up and take their place from the VFL. We don't have a small defender on the list, Cam Poulson this is how you get a game, you ask to go to a back pocket, learn the game, use pace shot down the small forwards that we have struggled with for too long.
An improvement this week blue boys and a piss weak start
Murphys turnovers were costly and due to skill errors IMO....agree dhe ran hard and did some good things but those errors were bad as they were near goal...Kerridge gets dropped for his foot skills yet Ed Curnow survives because he is seen as a tagger only, and excused for lack of skill....the good clubs have their taggers working both ways, his position needs looking at IMO if he cant get more ball and use it more effectively..
Gibbs was ok without being great but apart from Cripps I didnt think there was any other dominant mid on the ground anyway..
I'm a bit surprised at the negative sentiment of some posters. I thought the effort was terrific. Was also proud of the efforts of senior players like Murphy and Thomas. Plenty of positives from younger players like Macreadie and SPS. My main disappointment was Casboult, though I think C Curnow's form will probably mean that if anyone makes way for Mackay, it will be him.
While not many will give him credit thought Rowe was terrific today.
Beat 2 flogs in 2 consecutive weeks.
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You and I must be watching through the same brand of Navy goggles Shawny 8) O0
I'm a bit surprised at the negative sentiment of some posters. I thought the effort was terrific. Was also proud of the efforts of senior players like Murphy and Thomas. Plenty of positives from younger players like Macreadie and SPS. My main disappointment was Casboult, though I think C Curnow's form will probably mean that if anyone makes way for Mackay, it will be him.
Disappointing loss given some of our senior players turned the footy over at the wrong time and Melbourne are crape.....I had Melbourne as being on the rise but they are crape IMO and if a sook like Hogan is their key to success then I'd be taking the winter off and taking the Range Rover to the snow if I was a Melbourne supporter...
We could have and should have won that game IMO...
Also, 2 weeks in a row, our opposition has got it into space very easily from a contested situation with a few quick hand balls or a pearcing kick. In complete contrast, we seem to have oppo players in our face and strangling us for room and force us to turn it over more often than not through rushed disposals. Is it a set up thing?
We need a small-medium running defender who can kick. Gus in, White out.
We need a small-medium running defender who can kick. Gus in, White out.
I'd give that a crack.
Seems we've got the defensive half just about nailed. Young talls such as Plowman, Marchbank, Weitering and MacCredie and young smaller types like Doc and Pickett should mature into a tight combination. And we have Byrne to come back in too. It's been ages since we had such a foundation.
The scoreline shows how difficult we can now be to score against.
Seems we've got the defensive half just about nailed. Young talls such as Plowman, Marchbank, Weitering and MacCredie and young smaller types like Doc and Pickett should mature into a tight combination. And we have Byrne to come back in too. It's been ages since we had such a foundation.
The scoreline shows how difficult we can now be to score against.
From a durability perspective they won't survive the season, they are very lightweight.
But it's good signs for next season.
As for ins next week.
Definites: Palmer, Boekhurst (for Army) - for the run.
Harry for Levi? Hmmm, HAS THE TIME COME?
From a durability perspective they won't survive the season, they are very lightweight.
Why is this LP? We always seem to be a lighter side.
We have height but no bulk.
Even Levi gets pushed over toooo easily.
We don't even have the speed.
As for ins next week.
Definites: Palmer, Boekhurst (for Army) - for the run.
Harry for Levi? Hmmm, HAS THE TIME COME?
I'd give Casboult one more crack as he doesnt mind playing Essendon and include either Jones or Harry to get some heat off him....Bombers have some taller defenders
and we need two talls at least to keep them honest...
Palmer should have played this week....kicks goals and can at least hit a target...Boekhorst worries me with his lack of grunt and we dont want any passengers in terms of
getting physical vs the chemical kids...
I'd give Casboult one more crack as he doesnt mind playing Essendon and include either Jones or Harry to get some heat off him....Bombers have some taller defenders
and we need two talls at least to keep them honest...
Palmer should have played this week....kicks goals and can at least hit a target...Boekhorst worries me with his lack of grunt and we dont want any passengers in terms of
getting physical vs the chemical kids...
I'm no fan of BB, but he can provide real outside run and he needs to be given a chsnce in the 1s before papers stamped? (ditto Jaksch) Something we're really lacking and as a swap for Army little downside?
In general I was thrilled that we were so competitive for so long. Obviously that was lacking early and again late. The knock on was we were doing twice as much, fatiguing, and making brain and body booboos. It didn't help a couple of players went off for medical attention, and Crippa and Rowe coped head knocks. On Rowe, another strong game virtually nullifying a star forward. Crippa, similarly, is building every quarter. You'd never guess his limited PS.
Sammo. Welcome to the big league. He looks so at home and now has his first major on the board. Now that was something to savour.
Smedts and Pickett were good. They need some consistency and will grow quickly Imo.
The defense was great in general. Gee McCreadie is looking like a star in the making. Early days I know, but looked like he'd really learned from his errors last week.
Big Kruez was solid again. If he keeps this up, he might give us a sneaky advantage. We all know our Achilles heel up forward and in the middle. Add some quality in the middle (Fyfe might pay us to rescue him from the stinking ship) and ease in our young forwards and we're on the way.
I hope the sook and the highly respected Lewis :o get what they deserve. Lowly indeed. I though Rowe looked dazed, hope he wasn't concussed.
I agree that it was the one that got away, but think we were honest and courageous with some limitations. No doubt our youngsters will replace them in time, when they're good and ready.
Go young Blues
Bolton's presser - woo hoo - finally sounds like an AFL coach and not like an Antipodean variant of a California guru.
Seemed to think the boys went down the corridor too much. I thought that's when we looked most dangerous.
I don't understand why Gibbs and Murphy don't come under more scrutiny on here. I can understand young kids making bad skill errors but when your leaders are constantly doing it, what hope have we got. Some of Murphy's kicking and handballing was diabolical. First quarter we are on the attack with some quick handpassing and Murphy handballs it directly to a Dee 2 metres away. This is our Captain. And constantly picking the wrong option and handpassing to players who are tackled as soon as they receive it.
And we are behind with time running out and Gibbs kicks across field (instead of down field) and it was never going to get to it's target. Goal. That's another one of our leaders.
I get this year will be frustrating and I also get that the guys gave 100% today. But when our so called 'A Graders' are making these errors, it doesn't set much of an example for the kids to follow.
Armfield was disgraceful.
I think it was the kids and Simpson and Kruezer that kept us in that game.
Worrying signs are coming from the senior players, hack kicks, still don't kow how to kick to advantage, Murph hospital balls to teammates while the young guys are showing a bit.
Loved Rowe's game and Cripps', Macreadie is showing a bit and looks like there is something there. Like SPS and Pickett as well.
I don't understand why Gibbs and Murphy don't come under more scrutiny on here. I can understand young kids making bad skill errors but when your leaders are constantly doing it, what hope have we got. Some of Murphy's kicking and handballing was diabolical. First quarter we are on the attack with some quick handpassing and Murphy handballs it directly to a Dee 2 metres away. This is our Captain. And constantly picking the wrong option and handpassing to players who are tackled as soon as they receive it.
And we are behind with time running out and Gibbs kicks across field (instead of down field) and it was never going to get to it's target. Goal. That's another one of our leaders.
I get this year will be frustrating and I also get that the guys gave 100% today. But when our so called 'A Graders' are making these errors, it doesn't set much of an example for the kids to follow.
Armfield was disgraceful.
I think it was the kids and Simpson and Kruezer that kept us in that game.
With you JC....you can add E.Curnow to those players as well....turnovers at critical times too.....I'll add Docherty's non spoil of Garlett to that list too....Garlett being such a strong bodied marking machine...not.
Plowman played very well and being a young player I can forgive him but that missed tackle in the last 10 minutes was also a shocker...think it was Harmes who just waltzed through our blokes and when he got to Plowman he just walked straight through the tackle....hoping next week vs the old enemy will bring out the best of our senior players...
I don't understand why Gibbs and Murphy don't come under more scrutiny on here. I can understand young kids making bad skill errors but when your leaders are constantly doing it, what hope have we got. Some of Murphy's kicking and handballing was diabolical. First quarter we are on the attack with some quick handpassing and Murphy handballs it directly to a Dee 2 metres away. This is our Captain. And constantly picking the wrong option and handpassing to players who are tackled as soon as they receive it.
And we are behind with time running out and Gibbs kicks across field (instead of down field) and it was never going to get to it's target. Goal. That's another one of our leaders.
I get this year will be frustrating and I also get that the guys gave 100% today. But when our so called 'A Graders' are making these errors, it doesn't set much of an example for the kids to follow.
Armfield was disgraceful.
I think it was the kids and Simpson and Kruezer that kept us in that game.
Dont worry JC, Murphy, Gibbs and Docherty have not avoided being critiqued on this site. As you say, some of their disposals an decisions (at a critical juncture in the game) were diabolical.
Casboult was woeful...a lampost would be more useful...
Armfield...gone
Charlie Curnow...been drinking his own bathwater, needs some tough love in the twos...
Docherty....error ridden, lack of awareness at times mixed with some good stuff..
MacReadie reminds me of Darren Milburn.....going ok
Marchbank...good but with some turnovers by foot..
White...gone
Rowe did the job on Hogan but marking a footy to him is akin to catching a RPG...
Simpson ok...but last season..
Smedts...reliable to a point but needs to do more..
Pickett...like him but needs to do more when he is on..
SPS...learning the game and will be in and out of play
Weitering....learning about playing forward, not his fault delivery is so poor.
Wright.. very effective footballer
Plowman, good all day apart from one poor tackle attempt.
Murphy and Gibbs...ok at times and also turned the footy over badly especially Murphy,,
Kruezer...battled well vs the bigger Gawn.
Ed Curnow..beat Lewis but his disposal is so poor its a 50/50 call on his effectiveness overall IMO..
SOSOS...poor IMO, looked slow and is kicking like Casboult...still young so I shouldnt expect too much but he needs to work harder for his kicks..
Cripps...gun all day, played his best game for a while and easy BOG IMO...
Thomas...couple of good things but just went..
Jack got a big hit to his back. He was probably our best forward in the first quarter. Did well to play the game out. Can't believe how hard you are on our kids. Most have played under ten games. All show signs of being long term players. Blain Boekhorst has speed but no heart. Jack has just turned 19 give him time.
Worrying signs are coming from the senior players, hack kicks, still don't kow how to kick to advantage, Murph hospital balls to teammates while the young guys are showing a bit.
Loved Rowe's game and Cripps', Macreadie is showing a bit and looks like there is something there. Like SPS and Pickett as well.
Agree, pleased with the newer/younger guys. Effort aside, our senior guys are just not good enough though, from what we've already seen. Kreuzer and Simmo went OK but the rest were generally ordinary.
I think BB and the coaching staff know where the root cause of the problems are but also know it will take time to work through them. In fact BB's post game presser provided a few between the lines insights IMO.
Matty Wright take a bow. Now that's skill and leadership in an inspirational little package. Loved Daisy's hanger, just like old times.
Matty Wright take a bow. Now that's skill and leadership in an inspirational little package. Loved Daisy's hanger, just like old times.
Yes! Matty Wright - forgot to acknowledge his excellent contribution.
I don't understand why Gibbs and Murphy don't come under more scrutiny on here. I can understand young kids making bad skill errors but when your leaders are constantly doing it, what hope have we got. Some of Murphy's kicking and handballing was diabolical. First quarter we are on the attack with some quick handpassing and Murphy handballs it directly to a Dee 2 metres away. This is our Captain. And constantly picking the wrong option and handpassing to players who are tackled as soon as they receive it.
And we are behind with time running out and Gibbs kicks across field (instead of down field) and it was never going to get to it's target. Goal. That's another one of our leaders.
I get this year will be frustrating and I also get that the guys gave 100% today. But when our so called 'A Graders' are making these errors, it doesn't set much of an example for the kids to follow.
Armfield was disgraceful.
I think it was the kids and Simpson and Kruezer that kept us in that game.
In respect of Murph and Gibbs, this depends on which forum expert you believe.
Quite apart from that, all players have bad days, form loss etc.
However good or bad their games were, I'm curious to know who folks on here think is our best user of the footy ?
Yes! Matty Wright - forgot to acknowledge his excellent contribution.
x3..Best kick for goal in the team and rarely stuffs up a disposal, probably shows you how strong the Crows list is when
they can dump a player like Wright off their list...
Wouldnt have minded Ricky Henderson either who is doing well for Hawthorn....
Matty Wright take a bow. Now that's skill and leadership in an inspirational little package. Loved Daisy's hanger, just like old times.
I should add. I thought Crippa's kicking looks on the up. In terms of hand/foot ratio and effectiveness. This was another very pleasing aspect of today. Imagine if he can start to increase his effect by foot. I'm starting to think (not that I'd have a clue) his broken leg may have hampered the development of his wheels. We may have exacerbated this with our premature over reliance on the youngster, due to a disastrous list....
So I went today and have just finished watching the replay so I have the following thoughts.
Really wrapped in the young blokes especially down back. Marchbank looks the real deal, Macredie has improved in one week and Plowman was probably our best defensively. I'm a Rowe basher so it hurts me to say his first 2 games have been pretty good. I still have little confidence in him maintaining that level. Docherty had a 50/50 day and Simmo was thankfully better than last week. Simon White needs to go. I'd play Weitering back settle the back 6 and move onto the next line.
Midfield were a pass mainly because of Cripps who was a workhorse today, but Gibbs and Murphy have to stop creating turnovers at crucial times in a game. It crushes any momentum. Kruezer did well.
Forwards were average to poor bar Matty Wright. Dennis needs to go. Great servant to the club but his time is up. Young SOS needs to learn to kick straight under pressure. Last qtr 40 out directly in front to put us 9 point up and shift momentum and he misses. Crucial.
Still lots of others had worse efforts throughout. Levi was shocking. He needs a rest.
Outs for me next week, White (should but probably won't), Armfield (can't see this not happening) and Levi. Maybe one more week for Thomas. Another week for the young indigenous boys too.
Look, they had a crack but their skills cost them again. Be a lot of that this year. Melbourne would not be final 8 based on their effort.
Finally, and I can't believe no ones mentioned this by now but did those umpires give it to us today or what? Never seen so many tackles laid by our blokes go unrewarded. Pathetic.
Jack got a big hit to his back. He was probably our best forward in the first quarter. Did well to play the game out. Can't believe how hard you are on our kids. Most have played under ten games. All show signs of being long term players. Blain Boekhorst has speed but no heart. Jack has just turned 19 give him time.
Hard but fair IMO...I'm not down on Jack and like him as a player(take your point about his injury so happy to cut him some slack) but his kicking has been atrocious of late and like I said
has a Casboult look to it..apart from Charlie Curnow i reckon I went easy on the other kids and thought most of them showed something and laid most of the blame for defeat at some of our older brigade who turned the footy over at critical times...
Agree on BB but I guess as Fly pointed out in another thread he may get another chance because he adds some run and carry and you have to give him a go before you stamp his papers...
@rocky
Thanks for your match report. Surprisingly similar to my TV view.
Re: Finally, and I can't believe no ones mentioned this by now but did those umpires give it to us today or what? Never seen so many tackles laid by our blokes go unrewarded. Pathetic.
I thought this, and swore at the box many a time in disbelief :-[
Didn't mention it coz I thought it was my Navy bias at work. Somehow feels a little comforting to know it's a view shared. Not sure what the free differential was, but my money's on D's winning that stat by more than chance.
Go Blues
Very lopsided slant on performances today. Murphy runs his guts out and gets battered and gets crucified for a few turnovers, yet Pickett does one or two good things and he did OK? Give me a break, the reason that Murph and Gibbs are turning the ball over is fatigue and the young kids playing with them don't know how to make space. I saw Simmo on the back flank searching for a kicking target and all Pickett had to do was run to the boundary and he could put the ball out in front, yet he stood in the centre square. Over a quarter of the team have not played 10 games yet, that is why we lost not Murphy, Gibbs and Curnow.
With that behind me, I thought we played well today. We looked like an AFL team. Ball was switched, targets were hit, a definite defensive structure that only broke down a few times. Tackles were laid and our players stood up for each other. Loved Weitering coming in after Lewis slugged Cripps, closely followed by Wright and Silvagni. That's what build team spirit, you walk a bit taller knowing that you have mates that have your back.
White and Dennis are both on borrowed time, we just need someone to stand up and take their place from the VFL. We don't have a small defender on the list, Cam Poulson this is how you get a game, you ask to go to a back pocket, learn the game, use pace shot down the small forwards that we have struggled with for too long.
An improvement this week blue boys and a piss weak start
+1
Our biggest issue is the usual.
Too much left to too few, and a few players running round trying to get a kick who don't seem to know what they're doing.
add a sprinkle of over using the footy and it's an almost should have been a win.
I thought the umpires were giving Melbourne an armchair ride all day too.
Free kick counts, as with all stats, can at times be misleading.
We won the frees 25-12 against the Tiges.
Apart from a couple of things, I didn't think the umpiring was any worse than usual.
I think AFL footy is pretty difficult to umpire to be honest.
@rocky
Thanks for your match report. Surprisingly similar to my TV view.
Re: Finally, and I can't believe no ones mentioned this by now but did those umpires give it to us today or what? Never seen so many tackles laid by our blokes go unrewarded. Pathetic.
I thought this, and swore at the box many a time in disbelief :-[
Didn't mention it coz I thought it was my Navy bias at work. Somehow feels a little comforting to know it's a view shared. Not sure what the free differential was, but my money's on D's winning that stat by more than chance.
Go Blues
No question atackle by a Dees' player would get a free; same tackle bby one of ours...play on....saw at least half a dozen obvious frees in this vein not awarded. ThT HURTS.
Agreed also that SOJ's miss early in the last killed a lot of momentum.
In regards to tackling, we didn't get free kicks because we don't pin one arm, it to do with technique and player development. The sad thing is our senior players are just as bad if not worse than the beginners.
PS; On player size and shape, our team looks much lighter this season, I'd thought so last week but comparing us to this time in 2016 we are obviously trained to be a different body shape. This year we have less bulk and more lean muscle, but we have a hardness. Excluding Levi who seems to have gone the other way we look like a team of Ken Hunters, this might be a good thing come seasons end, but it appears to have had some negative impacts on core strength or at least the ability to stay upright in tackles right at this moment.
Murphy; I gave Murphy some votes, I'd love to have given him more, but those turnovers by hand really hurt us! In both cases all he needed was a second of hesitation, half a side step, and he would have been able to deliver to advantage. I suppose the lad is gun shy now, having been thrown to the wolves too many times in his career. This is what you get when you don't look after each other on the field, to change Murphy's behaviour is probably too late now, the behaviour is ingrained and he is only a little bloke. Fearing being pummelled by the likes of Hogan is fair enough, especially when you've been surrounded by team-mates who run away most of your career! (Take note those wanting the young ones thrown in the deep end!) Which is why it was so good seeing Weiters redress the left hook from Lewis on Crippa. ;)
We can probably expect two or three goals from Silvagni and Weitering most weeks and if that was the case yesterday we probably win.
We won't win many and it's unlikely that we can knock off a good side, but we'll win a few.
We can probably expect two or three goals from Silvagni and Weitering most weeks and if that was the case yesterday we probably win.
We won't win many and it's unlikely that we can knock off a good side, but we'll win a few.
When Weitering arrived at Carlton I made the analogy to Harry Taylor, possibly even better than Taylor.
Keep this paragraph in mind when considering where to play Weitering.
Harry Taylor back where he made it happen. The coach will probably say it’s horses for courses, yet Taylor’s return to the defence after yet another so-so performance as a key forward gives Chris Scott something to ponder. Taylor looks lost as a key forward, as he was against the Kangas and was moved to defence during the third quarter. Then in succession he marked over Majak Daw, spoiled Daw and then marked in front of Daw. The query will be Taylor’s pace, but gee he looks as ease as a defender.
We are going to fork up a A Grade attacking defender, a defender described in his draft year as possibly the best intercept mark ever to come out of the draft, and we are doing it just because "our club" hasn't an effective KPF!
Wake up to yourself Carlton, don't be a goose, Weitering forward is a very short term decision! In the media you stated you'd let Weitering settle and mature as a defender, in practice it didn't even make it to the first bounce!
When Weitering arrived at Carlton I made the analogy to Harry Taylor, possibly even better than Taylor.
Keep this paragraph in mind when considering where to play Weitering.
We are going to fork up a A Grade attacking defender, a defender described in his draft year as possibly the best intercept mark ever to come out of the draft, and we are doing it just because "our club" hasn't an effective KPF!
Wake up to yourself Carlton, don't be a goose, Weitering forward is a very short term decision! In the media you stated you'd let Weitering settle and mature as a defender, in practice it didn't even make it to the first bounce!
Marchback forward then? :o
Forward line is a complete & utter mess, so easy to defend against. Weitering wasted down there as our midfield continue to butcher it forward.
As others have said, worst offenders yesterday were the experienced brigade continually turning the friggin' ball over with brain-fade gifts to the opposition. Most of Murphy's gut running yesterday was him trying to atone for a turnover he'd just committed.
Matty Wright - what an awesome pick-up he's been, our most dangerous forward by the length of the Flemington straight.
Reckon we might have found a couple in Marchbank & Macreadie......both very similar body shapes, with Marchbank a 12 month advanced version of Macreadie. Plowman's first half was poo, but his second half was excellent.
Charlie Curnow: no thanks, not for now....
Dennis Armfield: no thanks, 1 year contact and this is what you produce?
Levi Casboult: having to play him in the ruck is killing his form.
Jack Silvagni: zero poise, panic-merchant, horrible user.....*sigh*
Simon White: I've gone in to bat for this bloke ad nauseum over the years.....but my patience is starting to wear thin.....
Can't leave the team unchanged for this week, simply cannot.
Marchback forward then? :o
No!
If we want to cook somebody in our F50 then the choices are obvious. Casboult, Jaksch and Jones. We just need to accept the pain and let the kids develop, we'll stumble across the occasional line in games using any of those three but we won't win many and we won't look slick!
They have no future so we won't be damaging them in any way!
We can just tell the kids to kick it to where the forwards should be heading, and don't worry about the chook leads and rabbit runs that crew normally deliver. If I were coach I'd be telling the kids to sit the ball on the defenders head just short of Casboult, Jones or Jaksch 100 times a game! Let them turn the opposition into stepladders as often as possible mark or not mark makes no difference!
All the kids have great potential, as long as we don't deep fry them before they make the cut! In the interim we must inflict as much mental fear and damage to the opposition as possible.
We really need a few blokes with some crap in them, we did well enough today to get the Dees worried enough to start sniping but seriously, Lewis should have been decked. Off the ball, intentional, three weeks minimum if the MRP are half serious.
Still carry too much dead wood and passengers. Too many can't tackle, are fumbly and use the ball very poorly.
Can someone answer me this? Why wasnt it a free kick???
When Weitering arrived at Carlton I made the analogy to Harry Taylor, possibly even better than Taylor.
Keep this paragraph in mind when considering where to play Weitering.
We are going to fork up a A Grade attacking defender, a defender described in his draft year as possibly the best intercept mark ever to come out of the draft, and we are doing it just because "our club" hasn't an effective KPF!
Wake up to yourself Carlton, don't be a goose, Weitering forward is a very short term decision! In the media you stated you'd let Weitering settle and mature as a defender, in practice it didn't even make it to the first bounce!
Do we need Weitering, Marchbank, Plowman and Macredie in the back 6?
Rowe and White are there now as well and on form Rowe isn't going anywhere, move Weitering there and it's the land of the giants and a gift to every half decent small forward in the competition.
I take your point though and I think we should roll the dice with Curnow, Silvagni and McKay forward and hope that Pickett and the like develop as crumbers.
No!
If we want to cook somebody in our F50 then the choices are obvious. Casboult, Jaksch and Jones. We just need to accept the pain and let the kids develop, we'll stumble across the occasional line in games using any of those three but we won't win many and we won't look slick!
They have no future so we won't be damaging them in any way!
We can just tell the kids to kick it to where the forwards should be heading, and don't worry about the chook leads and rabbit runs that crew normally deliver. If I were coach I'd be telling the kids to sit the ball on the defenders head just short of Casboult, Jones or Jaksch 100 times a game! Let them turn the opposition into stepladders as often as possible mark or not mark makes no difference!
All the kids have great potential, as long as we don't deep fry them before they make the cut! In the interim we must inflict as much mental fear and damage to the opposition as possible.
Yes. Weitering back to defence.
Casboult has to ruck so I would bring in Jones . That's how desperate we are up forward.
While Jones is not the long term answer and will most likely be gone next year, we don't have anybody else apart from him or Jaksch.
Leigh Matthews made the point that at this stage of his career Weitering should be playing in defence. I agree with him.
Jones is big and strong and does have a go.
While SPS, Pickett and Macreadie are all going well, as DP said " you are unlikely to win an AFL game if you play 3 first year players in the side together. Hard to drop one of them right now though.
Charlie back to the twos to regain some form and confidence.
Army is close to the end too.
We need to make changes this week.
Daisy's second half was good so that should save him this week.
I must have watched a different game.
Was impressed with the endeavor and heart today. Melbourne took till 20 mins into the last to put the game in the bag. Many on here predicted this mob will definitely play finals and made a good outfit look poor last week.
I know it's difficult to be positive when you have a loss but we must remember we had SOJ, C Curnow, Marchbank, SPS, mcCredie and Pickett all in today and curnow aside thought the rest were very serviceable. SOJ is the veteran of this list with 10games!!!
Hard to win with 6 players under 10 games.
Add in Weitering, plowman and cripps as more young players yet to notch 50 games and that's a very young team today.
While I'm disappointed with some of the costly errors from senior players and to lose yet again but I saw enough today to say we are tracking ahead of where I thought we would be.
I'm happy with the kids progress.
A bit of perspective needed folks.
That sounds like the game I was at :)
I was much happier with yesterday's effort than the Richmond game. We really had a chance for an unexpected win but lost momentum when Murphy turned the ball over.
I'm really pleased with Plowman; he seems to have stepped up a notch from last season and I feel confident that he will end up with the ball whenever it's in his vicinity. It's probably just as well because Docherty has put in a couple of shockers. It's uncharacteristic of him to be easily out-positioned and make poor decisions, and his disposal has been worse than usual. Hopefully he will get back to his best in the coming weeks.
I watched the game with a neutral observer and he was very impressed with Plowman and Marchbank and reckons that Pickett, Sammo and Macreadie will be very good.
I don't really follow the criticism of Casboult; he worked really hard off the ball, marked well and negated Gawn when Kreuzer had a spell. Some very poor umpiring cost him a couple of opportunities.
My grandsons had a great day. The 7 year old kicked a goal and the 5 year old carried the ball from one end to the other. Unfortunately, he didn't bother to take a bounce :)
On Docherty, I have this uneasy feeling he is suffering the David Teague or Corey McKernan Best and Fairest syndrome.
Burst onto the scene and then disappeared.
I'm hoping because he is younger than the other two this is not the case.
Only two games in... so there is still time :)
On Docherty, I have this uneasy feeling he is suffering the David Teague or Corey McKernan Best and Fairest syndrome.
Burst onto the scene and then disappeared.
I'm hoping because he is younger than the other two this is not the case.
Only two games in... so there is still time :)
Last season he had Weitering and Tuohy down there keeping structures around him. Tuohy whether you think he was effective or ineffective had experience. Having Marchbank new and Macreadie puts a lot of extra focus on Docherty, and that is exacerbated by the slowing down of Simmo.
I thought Docherty was very good yesterday, he was caught out a few times but only because he was attacking the game and trying to set up a win.
He's a naturally attacking player so he'll always make his fair share of mistakes, but the good far outweighs the bad IMO.
Two options if we're going to send Weitering back.
1) Marchbank forward for a game or two to see how he goes.
2) Rowe goes forward permanently and let the combination of Weitering, Marchbank and Plowman settle. If this rebuild is to take as long as anticipated Rowe is probably not going to be a piece of the final puzzle. If we go this route I'd also send White forward as another mature body.
Youngsters back...old guys forward...and rotate the young forwards through there with a bit of support.
On Docherty, I have this uneasy feeling he is suffering the David Teague or Corey McKernan Best and Fairest syndrome.
Burst onto the scene and then disappeared.
I'm hoping because he is younger than the other two this is not the case.
Only two games in... so there is still time :)
I wouldn't be too concerned; he hasn't got the same cover that he had last season and he just seems to be misjudging some balls and not covering a man when he should. His disposal has always been an issue and perhaps it's the other errors that are making his missed targets seem worse. Simmo having a poor day probably didn't help.
He did some very good work in patches but he needs to get back to his more consistent best. Perhaps that will happen when the new defenders get more games under their belts.
Two options if we're going to send Weitering back.
1) Marchbank forward for a game or two to see how he goes.
2) Rowe goes forward permanently and let the combination of Weitering, Marchbank and Plowman settle. If this rebuild is to take as long as anticipated Rowe is probably not going to be a piece of the final puzzle. If we go this route I'd also send White forward as another mature body.
Youngsters back...old guys forward...and rotate the young forwards through there with a bit of support.
I think Rowe and Plowman are working pretty well together, I'd be inclined to move Weitering back and give Macreadie a fews NBs games while Jaksch or Jones get a run at AFL level. This frees up Marchbank to give us that run off HBF option in addition to Simmo and Docherty.
White can easily slot into a F50 role, he's making a few too many bloopers in D50 for my liking, his foot skills just aren't up to the required standard. I could easily see White and Thomas in some sort of defensive rotation to keep the opposition defenders honest.
Interestingly during the commentary Leigh Mathews was strongly advocating for Weitering to go back to defence in the belief that we are very close to having that area close to fully built. In his thinking, you build on a great defence so we should consolidate that.
I guess the MC's and BB's thinking is that we also need to win a few games, hence Weitering going forward. Be interesting to see where he plays this week.
Interestingly during the commentary Leigh Mathews was strongly advocating for Weitering to go back to defence in the belief that we are very close to having that area close to fully built. In his thinking, you build on a great defence so we should consolidate that.
I guess the MC's and BB's thinking is that we also need to win a few games, hence Weitering going forward. Be interesting to see where he plays this week.
I understand the need to get the kids a win or two, but I'm in complete accord with Matthews.
Although I'm not a big fan of going too defensive, see Ross Lyon, I do agree you have to stop opponents scoring before you solve your own scoring problems.
Free kick counts, as with all stats, can at times be misleading.
We won the frees 25-12 against the Tiges.
Apart from a couple of things, I didn't think the umpiring was any worse than usual.
I think AFL footy is pretty difficult to umpire to be honest.
I know what you are saying, and I for one wasnt necessarily looking at the count, but there were plenty of occasions where I felt that we were given an infringement against, and then on the flipside they were quick to continue play moving against us.
As for the TIgers free kick count, best not to worry about it, as the person counting forked that up. I know that we were up by 2 free kicks at half or quarter time, was surprised by that stat, and then on the ensuing bounce a holding free kick went the Tigers way and ours increased.
I don't care about the count. The majority of them are fair enough, but I did see Levi push Max Gawn in a marking contest in our defensive half near our goal the free kick immediately paid, whilst Max Gawn went two hands into the back of Kreuzer in our defensive fifty resulting in a shot at goal for the Dees with play on being awarded.
I wasnt the only one who thought it, as a couple of my mates agreed with me via messenger.
At the end of the day, it wasnt the reason we lost. Poor execution was, but I feel as though we have to work really hard to earn a free kick when its there, and they are pretty quick to reward the opposition when its 50/50.
I don't care about the count. The majority of them are fair enough, but I did see Levi push Max Gawn in a marking contest in our defensive half near our goal the free kick immediately paid, whilst Max Gawn went two hands into the back of Kreuzer in our defensive fifty resulting in a shot at goal for the Dees with play on being awarded.
On the Levi free I think he was duded, I'm not sure it was even there. From my viewing angle it looked like the umpire threw the ball up over Casboult's head and he basically held his ground under it and shoved Gawn in the chest. Gawn played it up for the umpires. If the umpires think that is fair then ruckmen should start 5m back and run straight into their opponent staging for the free.
The Kreuzer one was just a blatant shove, Gawn should have been penalised. I really don't understand how umpires miss that sort of free kick.
The other bad one for me was the Daisy in the back free, from my angle you could see Daisy take the kid to his knees 1st, before the kid throws himself forward with Daisy rolling to his left side. Good play from the kid, sucked the umpire in big time!
Am no where near sold on White and Armfield still. Nothing to get enthused about there IMHO.
When things are not working, I'd consider -
Docherty & Gibbs switch - Doc to the midfield and Gibbs to half-back.
Simpson to half-forward
Wright & Pickett rover/wing more often
C.Curnow key back
Weitering stays forward IMO. He and Jack Silvagni are working.
My point being, we need a little bit more flexibility. We seem to stagnate and have a plan A and that's it. Nothing wrong with settling players but I'd like to see some more rotations when things are not working, and players are flat footed and getting beaten.
Thry, I'm not saying the umpires don't make mistakes, but as I'm sure you'll agree, believing "we woz robbed" by the umps is part and parcel of every footy fan's repertoire. I'm sure if you talk to a Dees fan about yesterdays game, they will have their own examples of biased umpiring.
I would really like to see either a video referee, or an extra umpire on the field to help minimize these issues.
I also think that any half decent coaching panel would anticipate some dodgy calls, and hopefully take this into account when coaching / instructing players - how to set up, not dropping your head despite putting in hard work etc.
Two options if we're going to send Weitering back.
1) Marchbank forward for a game or two to see how he goes.
2) Rowe goes forward permanently and let the combination of Weitering, Marchbank and Plowman settle. If this rebuild is to take as long as anticipated Rowe is probably not going to be a piece of the final puzzle. If we go this route I'd also send White forward as another mature body.
Youngsters back...old guys forward...and rotate the young forwards through there with a bit of support.
Weiters back, Harry in and forward. The back line will be mint, the fwd line cannot be any worse than it is now even with Harry wearing trainer wheels. White is a liability down back and must go. I've said it a number of time, he tries hard but makes too many dumb mistakes at crucial parts of the game and in the worst possible position on the ground to make them. Army also needs a spell, he looked completely out of sorts, looked slow. Seems to have lost that zip and those sure hands, I think I mentioned it during the game, he looked like one of those blokes who is gifted a farewell game having overstayed his welcome. Army has been a terrific servant but it appears father time may have caught up to him.
It breaks my heart to say this but Simmo may be coming to the same cross road, happy to give him the benefit of the doubt though for now, he has started slow in the past and then got going to be among our best week in week out.
Am no where near sold on White and Armfield still. Nothing to get enthused about there IMHO.
When things are not working, I'd consider -
Docherty & Gibbs switch - Doc to the midfield and Gibbs to half-back.
Simpson to half-forward
Wright & Pickett rover/wing more often
C.Curnow key back
Weitering stays forward IMO. He and Jack Silvagni are working.
My point being, we need a little bit more flexibility. We seem to stagnate and have a plan A and that's it. Nothing wrong with settling players but I'd like to see some more rotations when things are not working, and players are flat footed and getting beaten.
I'm afraid I don't agree with much of that.
Docherty like Simmo is a straight line runner, he won't work out in the midfield.
Simmo might have been that HFF option a year or two ago, but he's lost a yard and wouldn't get separation from a defender. I'll be pleasantly surprised if he doesn't pull the plug before seasons end.
Pickett is nowhere near fit enough to run on the wing for more than 1 or 2 minutes, then he'd be cooked for the rest of the game.
Wright is a good one, I'll back him in to have a crack wherever and whenever he is played. You won't see him standing next to a taller opponent watching them mark.
C.Curnow might make a HBF, but the best we saw from him at the weekend was a few limited minutes in the midfield. He's a serious chop-put option for Cripps but needs far more core strength before he can fill that role. He has the lateral movement combined with height that makes him a massively difficult match up, but he has to learn to tackle. Off to the wrestling coach with him!
I've said my piece about Weitering, he's being wasted in F50.
SoJ worked hard after an injury, but the Dees are probably one of the weakest defenses we will come up against and he didn't look like scoring except when they fecked up! We need blokes who look like scoring when we get clean entries, not only when they turn it over. Neither Weitering or Silvagni have the speed to get separation in a clean one on one contest.
At least we got effort this week, next thing to tick off is execution. Then progress will really start to occur.
The poor tackling really worries me; you might not be the greatest player but nothing stops you putting on a good tackle which is part technical, part strength and a lot of want. At one stage we were 100 possessions down and had hardly laid any tackles. Nothing stops momentum like manic tackling pressure when a side has a run on.
I'm afraid I don't agree with much of that.
Docherty like Simmo is a straight line runner, he won't work out in the midfield.
Simmo might have been that HFF option a year or two ago, but he's lost a yard and wouldn't get separation from a defender. I'll be pleasantly surprised if he doesn't pull the plug before seasons end.
Pickett is nowhere near fit enough to run on the wing for more than 1 or 2 minutes, then he'd be cooked for the rest of the game.
Wright is a good one, I'll back him in to have a crack wherever and whenever he is played. You won't see him standing next to a taller opponent watching them mark.
C.Curnow might make a HBF, but the best we saw from him at the weekend was a few limited minutes in the midfield. He's a serious chop-put option for Cripps but needs far more core strength before he can fill that role. He has the lateral movement combined with height that makes him a massively difficult match up, but he has to learn to tackle. Off to the wrestling coach with him!
I've said my piece about Weitering, he's being wasted in F50.
SoJ worked hard after an injury, but the Dees are probably one of the weakest defenses we will come up against and he didn't look like scoring except when they fecked up! We need blokes who look like scoring when we get clean entries, not only when they turn it over. Neither Weitering or Silvagni have the speed to get separation in a clean one on one contest.
Disagree. Gotta try something, surely!
You got any other comments, maybe something positive? You'd get thrown outta the coaches box if you went at the senior coach with that outlook/those comments or answers. ;D :P
What's your solution or alternatives?
Am overseas, so haven't seen the replay, only highlights and match reports, like the dog acts from Hogan and Lewis (great leadership style!).
I am confused.....We lost by 24 pts ( many predicted 80-100), our backs stood up (young, enthusiastic, have a real future) and our forwards let us down again.
Melbourne's midfield boasts Jones, Pettracca, Viney, Lewis, Brayshaw, Oliver, Tyson etc. Highly ranked engine room. Yet we got within 4 goals and apparently Cripps, according to many reports, was the only one to really fire a bullet!!! Surely there was some significant work done by others that has not been acknowledged???
Am overseas, so haven't seen the replay, only highlights and match reports, like the dog acts from Hogan and Lewis (great leadership style!).
I am confused.....We lost by 24 pts ( many predicted 80-100), our backs stood up (young, enthusiastic, have a real future) and our forwards let us down again.
Melbourne's midfield boasts Jones, Pettracca, Viney, Lewis, Brayshaw, Oliver, Tyson etc. Highly ranked engine room. Yet we got within 4 goals and apparently Cripps, according to many reports, was the only one to really fire a bullet!!! Surely there was some significant work done by others that has not been acknowledged???
I thought Cripps was sensational, Murphy terrific. Loved what SPS (aka Sammy) brings. If ever a youngster has looked at home at AFL level (offensively and defensively) then it's Sammy IMO.
Marchbank and Plowman continue to be very solid down back. Class and clean hands of Pickett, albeit in snippets. He has to stay. Macreadie's courage and again sure hands when marking and handling the ball. He has a very calm head and solid temperament. Wright, what a great pick-up he has been!
It's the best nick and I have seen Matty Kreuzer in, and his free moving is a delight to see.
We need more from many more though. The midfield is thin. We struggle to score at times. The turnovers are hurting us badly, and a number of senior guys are at fault, not just the kids!
I'd be seriously considering dropping White and Armfield. Who for though? Probably Palmer and Cuningham for mine. I'd be considering all of McKay, Fisher, Polson, Williamson and Gallucci soon too.
Reckon Gallucci will get senior games this year. Hoping he can become our Dahlhaus. Forward pocket with good skills, and goal sense, to become a ball winner. I just like what he offers Gallucci.
I'm liking Weitering and Jack Silvagni forward. Like the work (at times and albeit at the moment, not often enough) of Charlie Curnow in the middle. He needs to spread and run and get some easy ball. Good at clearances.
The return of Ed Curnow tagging. Has to be every week IMO.
Simpson lacking the same zip IMO. He is getting on in AFL years. Wouldn't min his nous forward at times. Reckon for young guys in Weitering, J.Silvagni, C.Curnow and Pickett he'd be magnificent. Then free up Wright further afield more often IMHO.
Thry, I'm not saying the umpires don't make mistakes, but as I'm sure you'll agree, believing "we woz robbed" by the umps is part and parcel of every footy fan's repertoire. I'm sure if you talk to a Dees fan about yesterdays game, they will have their own examples of biased umpiring.
I would really like to see either a video referee, or an extra umpire on the field to help minimize these issues.
I also think that any half decent coaching panel would anticipate some dodgy calls, and hopefully take this into account when coaching / instructing players - how to set up, not dropping your head despite putting in hard work etc.
Problem being is that I only saw them make a couple of mistakes that favoured us (Rowe infringed in a marking contest deep in defense and Thomas was borderline infringing in a marking contest against Jack Watts resulting in a dropped mark) and I saw some inconsistent calls that lead directly to score involvements favouring the Dees in their offensive 50's whilst we sit there and get free kicks paid to us for infringing in a marking contest where we have held the mark because that levels the free kick count with no interference in play.
Now that I have mentioned that, because I certainly am not a "we woz robbed" brigade, good teams find a way to win in spite of inconsistent umpiring, but it doesnt mean that we can't complain about it when we notice it.
@LP I am 100% with you on the in the back decision against Thomas.
What kills me the most is how the commentary team are of the opinion that the umpires are stiffing our opponents for free kicks when they do finally pull them up, and they are pretty happy to point out our "skill errors" when the umpires stuff up and pay the free kick against us like when Thomas tackled Jetta.
I understand the need to get the kids a win or two, but I'm in complete accord with Matthews.
Although I'm not a big fan of going too defensive, see Ross Lyon, I do agree you have to stop opponents scoring before you solve your own scoring problems.
I am leaning towards that myself now. Let's build what looks like becoming pretty much a gun defence this year and put it on to the other areas to improve.
Just heard that sniper LEWIS got 3 weeks yippee ,also Hogan got 2 weeks . :D :)
Just heard that sniper LEWIS got 3 weeks yippee ,also Hogan got 2 weeks . :D :)
Hogan can count himself very, VERY lucky.
Problem being is that I only saw them make a couple of mistakes that favoured us (Rowe infringed in a marking contest deep in defense and Thomas was borderline infringing in a marking contest against Jack Watts resulting in a dropped mark) and I saw some inconsistent calls that lead directly to score involvements favouring the Dees in their offensive 50's whilst we sit there and get free kicks paid to us for infringing in a marking contest where we have held the mark because that levels the free kick count with no interference in play.
Now that I have mentioned that, because I certainly am not a "we woz robbed" brigade, good teams find a way to win in spite of inconsistent umpiring, but it doesnt mean that we can't complain about it when we notice it.
@LP I am 100% with you on the in the back decision against Thomas.
What kills me the most is how the commentary team are of the opinion that the umpires are stiffing our opponents for free kicks when they do finally pull them up, and they are pretty happy to point out our "skill errors" when the umpires stuff up and pay the free kick against us like when Thomas tackled Jetta.
Thry, you'd be having a very interesting conversation with any typical Dees supporter, that's all I can say.
The fact that good teams find a way is absolutely the most salient point in all this. The ability to find the mental resilience and fortitude to overcome dodgy umpiring decisions, your teammates letting you down etc. is absolutely critical. The ability to persevere through those things, keep your head up, your mind focused, not get down on yourself or your teammates, roll up your sleeves a bit more and try harder, is a defining element of good teams on a learning curve. It's not unreasonable to postulate that less skillful teams actually require more mental resilience than their more skillful counterparts.
On the Levi free I think he was duded, I'm not sure it was even there. From my viewing angle it looked like the umpire threw the ball up over Casboult's head and he basically held his ground under it and shoved Gawn in the chest. Gawn played it up for the umpires. If the umpires think that is fair then ruckmen should start 5m back and run straight into their opponent staging for the free.
I don't understand how that was a free kick... Gawn jumped into Casboult, and bounced off his shoulder... Casboult held his ground, barely moved.
Against Richmond, Casboult got bundled out of the way, Nankervis took the ball and kicked a goal.
Just heard that sniper LEWIS got 3 weeks yippee ,also Hogan got 2 weeks . :D :)
Happy with those - the less of those dog acts marring our game, the better.
I don't understand how that was a free kick... Gawn jumped into Casboult, and bounced off his shoulder... Casboult held his ground, barely moved.
Against Richmond, Casboult got bundled out of the way, Nankervis took the ball and kicked a goal.
Yes, it's the inconsistency that we all can't stand. Either it is or it isn't, but it can never be variable!
AFLCOM reporting Cripps has a Broken Jaw....FARK
If Cripps has a fractured jaw minor or not I wouldnt play him this week .The Cheats will go after his jaw all day ,he will be a huge loss but if we play him and the break is worse ,all hell will occurr
How the f... can a fractured jaw be treated as "medium impact".
CFC shouldn't let this rest! Disgusting.....
8 weeks Lewis, weak as piss dog act.
8 weeks Lewis, weak as piss dog act.
Agree...scumbag player, always remember his weak hit on Goldstein....needs dealing with next time to make a statement, we have to get tougher
on snipers and give some of what they give to us back.....
No wonder Weits, who is normally Mr. Calm, was so animated. Probably heard that horrible 'crack' noise.
Intentional. High. High damage. And that is only three weeks?
To get a real penalty did he have to shoot Cripps or something?
MRP = total joke.
Pickett looks a good pick up. Fast!
Fast but a little selective about when he uses it.
While not many will give him credit thought Rowe was terrific today.
Beat 2 flogs in 2 consecutive weeks.
Accurate and well said.
Plowman went at 93% disposal efficiency. That's what we want off the half back line!! A definite green shoot!!
Plowman went at 93% disposal efficiency. That's what we want off the half back line!! A definite green shoot!!
Very reliable defender is Plowman and love his composure down back...
Tuohy has left a bigger hole than we thought that he might by the way.
He has left exactly the size hole I thought he would.
Without him we had the ridiculous match up of White on the speedy Garlett for much of the day. To misquote a famous squirrel "That trick will never work"
Sad to say, I reckon time has caught up with Simmo.
Unfortunately, he seems to have lost more than a yard of pace in the off-season.
Ed Curnow survives because he is seen as a tagger only, and excused for lack of skill....the good clubs have their taggers working both ways, his position needs looking at IMO if he cant get more ball and use it more effectively..
I thought Ed was very poor last week because he was not used as a tagger. This week he ran with Lewis and was very effective; perhaps he needs to be taken to where the action is.
Banner Blues again...appears our cheer squad need some comedic lessons, dont know what they wrote but social media seems to be bashing us again...
I think C Curnow's form will probably mean that if anyone makes way for Mackay, it will be him.
He doesn't seem to play like a key forward; maybe he should play as a wingman where he can use his running capacity.
He doesn't seem to play like a key forward; maybe he should play as a wingman where he can use his running capacity.
Give him some freedom to find his confidence.
Thought I heard on SEN that Lewis fractured Cripps' jaw. Also SEN said the medical report re Rowe said he ended up with concussion. Anyone heard anything that might confirm that?
i want to see Weitering, Marchbank, Plowman and Macredie stay down back.
They need to learn the art and they'll learn quick.
We need to get something right and settled. Back 6 is a start.
C Curnow needs to have a stint in the 2's to get grunt, passion and confidence back
He's suffering or is loosing interest, hard to tell. He has no natural 2nd or 3rd effort in him. He seems to rely on hangers. Poor below his knees.
Pickett will be good, as long as he remains hungry and disciplined
sps will be something i think.
Silvagni gets a bit emotional and it affects his game.
Murphy needs to step up.
Mackay needs to get a run i think
Thought I heard on SEN that Lewis fractured Cripps' jaw. Also SEN said the medical report re Rowe said he ended up with concussion. Anyone heard anything that might confirm that?
Cripps jaw confirmed, will miss the next, not sure about Rowe
i want to see Weitering, Marchbank, Plowman and Macredie stay down back.
They need to learn the art and they'll learn quick.
We need to get something right and settled. Back 6 is a start.
C Curnow needs to have a stint in the 2's to get grunt, passion and confidence back
He's suffering or is loosing interest, hard to tell. He has no natural 2nd or 3rd effort in him. He seems to rely on hangers. Poor below his knees.
Pickett will be good, as long as he remains hungry and disciplined
sps will be something i think.
Silvagni gets a bit emotional and it affects his game.
Murphy needs to step up.
Mackay needs to get a run i think
Spot on TTB, my sentiments exactly.
And on Cripps kicking, anyone who suggests its poor should look at the delivery to SPS who subsequently kicked his first goal of his career. It was Diesel like.
And on Cripps kicking, anyone who suggests its poor should look at the delivery to SPS who subsequently kicked his first goal of his career. It was Diesel like.
his peripheral vision under pressure is up there with the best ...ever.
And on Cripps kicking, anyone who suggests its poor should look at the delivery to SPS who subsequently kicked his first goal of his career. It was Diesel like.
His vision is diesel like. His kicking is not. That doesn't mean he is incapable of good kicks, but it does mean he is more prone to poor ones.
If you were listing his strengths, in order, kicking might be last.
F@@RK ME. Lewis is a repeat offender, snipes a guy and breaks his jaw and only gets 3 weeks!! Do they still think he's playing at Hawthorn?? This competition is a joke. Rules for some and rules for others and we've been shafted again.
Gee how tough is Cripps for playing on and not shirking at any point for the rest of the game from what I saw.
He's a champ.
His vision is diesel like. His kicking is not. That doesn't mean he is incapable of good kicks, but it does mean he is more prone to poor ones.
If you were listing his strengths, in order, kicking might be last.
Disagree, I wouldnt list it last, you might and thats ok.
F@@RK ME. Lewis is a repeat offender, snipes a guy and breaks his jaw and only gets 3 weeks!! Do they still think he's playing at Hawthorn?? This competition is a joke. Rules for some and rules for others and we've been shafted again.
Gee how tough is Cripps for playing on and not shirking at any point for the rest of the game from what I saw.
He's a champ.
Hell yeah, he hasn't been ruled out this week yet either. May well play following an assessment later in the week.
Disagree, I wouldnt list it last, you might and thats ok.
OK, what would you list last?
His vision is diesel like. His kicking is not. That doesn't mean he is incapable of good kicks, but it does mean he is more prone to poor ones.
If you were listing his strengths, in order, kicking might be last.
Yes, agree. That kick GTC refers to is the exception rather than the rule.
Even Cas kicks a goal from time to time.
I love Cripps. He would be my first picked every week. But the issues with his kicking are not minor IMO.
Presumably, Cripps' jaw has only a hairline fracture. Maybe a plate can be inserted to keep it secure?
Presumably, Cripps' jaw has only a hairline fracture. Maybe a plate can be inserted to keep it secure?
Even if it's the slightest depression, do we really risk Patrick Cripps against the Cheating Scum who are mentored and ingrained by a Kevin Sheedy led culture to hate Carlton?
And on Cripps kicking, anyone who suggests its poor should look at the delivery to SPS who subsequently kicked his first goal of his career. It was Diesel like.
Yes, if you pay close attention, you should see that Cripps' delivery by foot is very effective. Kicking for goal is not a strength yet.
Presumably, Cripps' jaw has only a hairline fracture. Maybe a plate can be inserted to keep it secure?
Lewis like all Dawk players are dirty rotten bar8tards. >:(
I thought Ed was very poor last week because he was not used as a tagger. This week he ran with Lewis and was very effective; perhaps he needs to be taken to where the action is.
A pity that we tagged an over the hill Lewis and not Nathan Jones, although we probably don't have anyone capable of tagging Jones.
OK, what would you list last?
Pace
Fast but a little selective about when he uses it.
Due to his history of injuries and lack of ps, I'd guess he's still got to build his tank.
If he is selective like you say. I hope he selects carefully then make his opponent look like he's standing still :))
Pace
I don't think that's an issue. Cripps has shown that he can put the moves on to elude opponents and create time and space for an effective delivery.
I really don't get why some so-called supporters have to find fault with our players. I guess that's what makes them happy ???
Plowman went at 93% disposal efficiency. That's what we want off the half back line!! A definite green shoot!!
Wow just wow. Well done to the Plow.
And on Cripps kicking, anyone who suggests its poor should look at the delivery to SPS who subsequently kicked his first goal of his career. It was Diesel like.
Now that made me excited. Very excited. There folks lies our future and what a complimentary set of qualities. Not to mention our other youngsters who look to be developing nicely.
I don't think that's an issue. Cripps has shown that he can put the moves on to elude opponents and create time and space for an effective delivery.
I really don't get why some so-called supporters have to find fault with our players. I guess that's what makes them happy ???
I wasnt finding a fault, Krudd asked me what I would rate last for Cripps after he rated his kicking last. I would rate his pace below his kicking skills thats all. Im a massive Cripps fan for the record.
I was finding a fault, Krudd asked me what I would rate last for Cripps after he rated his kicking last. I would rate his pace below his kicking skills thats all. Im a massive Cripps fan for the record.
I didn't mean to imply that you were finding fault G2C.
It's just that some folk apparently don't watch our games, have unrealistic expectations, or just want something to bitch about. :)
I had half an eye on the first quarter and a half, so won't comment, except to say:
- I was talking to another Blues supporter today and they thought the third/end of the third quarter was good
- we got a % boost (from 67 to 70%)
Is it unusual that there are 8 teams yet to win at the end of round 2?
According to the AFL site:
"A FITNESS cloud surrounds Carlton star Patrick Cripps after the midfielder suffered a fractured jaw in Sunday's loss to Melbourne.
AFL.com.au revealed Cripps' injury is at the minor end and will be assessed this week ahead of Sunday's clash against Essendon at the MCG. The fracture is not displaced.
Carlton confirmed the injury later on Monday and said it would monitor his fitness.
"Patrick had scans last night which confirmed a small hairline fracture in his jaw," Blues football manager Andrew McKay said in a statement.
"Given his jaw is stable and not displaced, we will assess him further over the coming days to determine whether he will be available to play this Sunday against the Bombers."
Meantime, it can be revealed that Carlton defender Sam Rowe, who was struck by Hogan in the third quarter, displayed signs of delayed concussion in the rooms after the game.
While Rowe did not leave the ground immediately after the incident, club staff noted that he was dazed and nauseous in the rooms.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/demons-jordan-lewis-and-jesse-hogan-face-mrp-bans-20170403-gvcjle.html (http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/demons-jordan-lewis-and-jesse-hogan-face-mrp-bans-20170403-gvcjle.html)
Wow just wow. Well done to the Plow.
That's Mr Plow! ;)
I really don't get why some so-called supporters have to find fault with our players. I guess that's what makes them happy ???
Very true. ( unfortunately ).
They're usually ones that don't know much about the game though.
I really don't get why some so-called supporters have to find fault with our players. I guess that's what makes them happy ???
There are a few reasons, but I think its best summed up by personality types.
If you place a glass in front of a room of people, and fill it until halfway, ask people to describe whether the glass is half full or half empty, and you will get a variety of answers based on people's life experience, their personality type and how they have been taught to view the world.
These are more theatric than the half empty/full approach where people just answer without thinking, but they do a better job of showing how different people look at things in different ways.
It’s half empty now and it wouldn’t surprise me if it dried up completely.
It's only half fulle. Hey! Whose job was it to fill up this glass?
I bet my friend would like to have some water right now....
I can’t believe someone would leave this dirty glass out here! Clean up this mess right now!
So? It’s water. Big deal.
You call that a glass of water? Why, back where I come from...
There’s a glass of water! You know, it’s healthy to drink a lot of water! Why, I remember when I was growing up, we used to...
Holds up glass of water, tilts it from side to side, wiggles finger in it, licks finger, grins slightly, moves on.
Glass is made from silicon dioxide, heated to a temperature of...
The glass is full—half water, half air!
There’s more than enough for friends to share.
This glass of water is a metaphor for my life.
Whooeeee! Water fight!
But look! A crystalline vessel, filled with shimmering, life-giving nectar!
At the end of the day, its simply half a glass of water. The water is unchanged by any of the perspectives above, even if it is described differently by people. All you find out about is their nuances.
Just been listening to SEN in the car, with KB in conversation with Waldron (I think). They absolutely lambasted the MRP for the farcically low penalties handed out to the thugs Lewis and Hogan, and were caustic with their comments about the two. They thought the impact was clearly high in each case and sentences should have reflected that. At least someone in the media is calling it out for what it is.
I went for about 30 years before I stumbled across a football forum. :D
In that time if you played for Carlton you could do no wrong in my eyes...of course the fact was that we had quality sides for most of that period and that meant that if you were good enough to get a game you were a pretty good footballer.
Being on a forum is different though because you'ré not just looking at it with your own bias.
Someone might mention a fault you may not have picked up on and once aware you tend to notice it a bit more....or you might reject the opinion completely.
Players are analysed for their strengths and weaknesses.
Some people get a set against a player, others defend them.
The fact is we've had a lot of players in the last fifteen years who have had their limitations.
Skills and effort are constantly questioned.
But that's actually the purpose of a football forum....argument and discussion.
Even opinions that are outrageous or hypercritical have their place because they serve as a basis for the discussion.
If everything was constantly rosy and there was nothing to pick fault with this would be a deadly dull and boring place.
I can understand the backlash against the negativity...I get a bit upset with it myself from time to time, especially when it's against a player or aspect of the club's function that I don't mind...
but the best way to combat it is with counter-argument.
That's when the forum thrives.
Just been listening to SEN in the car, with KB in conversation with Waldron (I think). They absolutely lambasted the MRP for the farcically low penalties handed out to the thugs Lewis and Hogan, and were caustic with their comments about the two. They thought the impact was clearly high in each case and sentences should have reflected that. At least someone in the media is calling it out for what it is.
Robbo on 360 said Cripps threw a punch and Lewis just threw one back and his connected.
Robbo on 360 said Cripps threw a punch and Lewis just threw one back and his connected.
Yes, it's all about bad Crippa and good Jordi!
God bless Flubbo, can't miss an opportunity to pot a Carlton man, has also spent too long hanging around with Sheedy. ;D
Thought it was incredibly poor by AFL360 last night. Went easy on Lewis because he is a regular guest. Tore shreds off others.
Nearly as bad as old mate Lloydy going to water on the other show when asked to talk about the Freo list... we all know who the list manager is.
People laughed preseason but I still think Freo are the best chance of a club finishing below us.
Works for me because if we lose anybody else pick three as compo is far more likely than one and two.
Thought it was incredibly poor by AFL360 last night. Went easy on Lewis because he is a regular guest. Tore shreds off others.
Nearly as bad as old mate Lloydy going to water on the other show when asked to talk about the Freo list... we all know who the list manager is.
When are you going to learn they will never criticise their work colleagues or siblings.Robbo wets himself when he sees Lewis
Thought it was incredibly poor by AFL360 last night. Went easy on Lewis because he is a regular guest. Tore shreds off others.
Nearly as bad as old mate Lloydy going to water on the other show when asked to talk about the Freo list... we all know who the list manager is.
Yep. Lloyd will go to town on SOS/Carlton but gets his back-up over his bro at Freo. Hilarious!
Just been listening to SEN in the car, with KB in conversation with Waldron (I think). They absolutely lambasted the MRP for the farcically low penalties handed out to the thugs Lewis and Hogan, and were caustic with their comments about the two. They thought the impact was clearly high in each case and sentences should have reflected that. At least someone in the media is calling it out for what it is.
What do you mean? Lewis is gobsmacked he was even sent to the MRP because for his whole career at the Dawks he did the same thing and it was never looked at. Always did the old Hodge, 'sorry, I didn't mean for you to run into my elbow' >:( ::)
Lewis has always been a sniper >:(hate the prick he is the same as the dirty wonderboy Hodge.
Lewis honestly thought he would get off as he has been doing the same thing for years ask Todd Goldstein.I commend Carlton for shoving it up Melbourne my only disappointment they both didnt get more weeks .Lewis is the new Milburn ,bring it on I wont forget .
I didn't mean to imply that you were finding fault G2C.
It's just that some folk apparently don't watch our games, have unrealistic expectations, or just want something to bitch about. :)
We know you do. Its not like taking something out of context to further push a grudge you have.
FYI, The greatest players of all time, ALL have an attribute that is rated last. That is not a negative, it is a fact of life. It doesn't make them any less of a player either.
For the record, i would have Judds kicking as his 2nd worst attribute, marking last.
The point i was making is that Cripps does many things elite, kicking is not one of them. Yes, along with pace, it would be in my bottom 2 in terms of his attributes.
Watched the game again today, I'm tipping Salem and Jeffy wont get a kick this week. They plucked games out of their asses last week.