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Re: Giants Trample Blues - Post Match

Reply #45 –
Quote from: PassIt2Carrots on
Gibbs was good Mossie. 10 clearances. Most on the ground.

10 clearances, perhaps....zero influence around the ground. Don't think he got out of 2nd gear at any point.

Didn't have many friends at the ground i can tell ya.

Re: Giants Trample Blues - Post Match

Reply #46 –
Was there a game on? What happened, did we win?
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Re: Giants Trample Blues - Post Match

Reply #47 –
Quote from: kruddler on
10 clearances, perhaps....zero influence around the ground. Don't think he got out of 2nd gear at any point.

Didn't have many friends at the ground i can tell ya.

I'd say 10 clearances is having a fair influence around the ground.
Ignorance is bliss.

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Re: Giants Trample Blues - Post Match

Reply #48 –
I guess I was also influenced by his stats, they were very good and the commentators were complimentary of his performance. Watching the game I thought he was much better than a few weeks back. But I do agree that for some odd reason he just doesn't seem to hurt opposition sides with his numerous possessions.
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Re: Giants Trample Blues - Post Match

Reply #49 –
Quote from: kruddler on
10 clearances, perhaps....zero influence around the ground. Don't think he got out of 2nd gear at any point.

Didn't have many friends at the ground i can tell ya.

Thanks krudds at least we can agree on something...gibbs is a lazy light one dimensional footballer that doesnt inspire a group of men...

Re: Giants Trample Blues - Post Match

Reply #50 –
Quote from: PassIt2Carrots on
Persevering would've been giving him a go.

I really don't see how this confirms him as no good, not exactly the best game to judge him on.

Fair point, it is unfair to judge after one game. But he doesn't look like advancing. He managed just 3 touches for the game. When he got near the ball he was out of position and struggling to gain seperation from his opponent. He doesn't get off the ground much, nor does he run enough to create space. For a bloke his size and age he should have been playing much stronger in the seconds consistently but he is not. He got a game because we are bereft of forward options.  He may play again next week, but for a player on his last chance it is difficult to see a bright future.

Re: Giants Trample Blues - Post Match

Reply #51 –
Quote from: PassIt2Carrots on
@B4L

Successful clubs at least take the time to give a first rounder a fair crack at a career.

Mitch Thorpe, pick 6 at the 2006 draft, played 2 senior games for Hawthorn, delisted in 2009.
The only thing in this world worth more than a hill of beans is the Carlton Football Club.

Re: Giants Trample Blues - Post Match

Reply #52 –
Quote from: Vivian on
Fair point, it is unfair to judge after one game. But he doesn't look like advancing. He managed just 3 touches for the game. When he got near the ball he was out of position and struggling to gain seperation from his opponent. He doesn't get off the ground much, nor does he run enough to create space. For a bloke his size and age he should have been playing much stronger in the seconds consistently but he is not. He got a game because we are bereft of forward options.  He may play again next week, but for a player on his last chance it is difficult to see a bright future.

When you put it like that it's hard to argue but I just want to see him play five games straight, just like Jones did. We owe it to ourselves as a club.
Ignorance is bliss.

ONWARDS AND UPWARDS!

Re: Giants Trample Blues - Post Match

Reply #53 –
Quote from: kruddler on
10 clearances, perhaps....zero influence around the ground. Don't think he got out of 2nd gear at any point.

Didn't have many friends at the ground i can tell ya.

Football supporters commonly single out the better players when the team is going badly, Richardson copped it for years at Richmond.
The only thing in this world worth more than a hill of beans is the Carlton Football Club.

Re: Giants Trample Blues - Post Match

Reply #54 –
People defending Gibbs' performance today......oh purlease, now I've heard it all.....
Football is life, there is nothing else....

Re: Giants Trample Blues - Post Match

Reply #55 –
even Jones is better than what we are seeing.

Our forwards have no hope because they don't get passed the ball.

The ball is kicked in their vicinity,  high up and slowly.  Only Levi can do something with it, because of his size and his hands.



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Re: Giants Trample Blues - Post Match

Reply #56 –
Quote from: PassIt2Carrots on
I'd say 10 clearances is having a fair influence around the ground.
Firstly, i don't consider clearances as being 'around the ground', when i say that term i mean in general play. Not from a stoppage.

Secondly, even using your interpretation, 10 clearances = fair influence.......Not really. I think that stat is becoming very misleading.

Just had a quick look to see if my assumptions were correct before i went into great detail about it.

Basically Cam Wood proves what i'm talking about. Tonight, he had 6 clearances. You know what his clearances were? Grab the ball out of the ruck, and throw it on the boot. He has been doing it all year. Great, we get the clearance, but how often does it actually go to a teammate, how often does it go to our advantage at all?

It's kinda like the hitouts. The number of hitouts players get is essentially an irrelevent stat. The hitouts to advantage is what matters. For the record, Mumford smashed that tonight he had 15 hitouts to advantage halfway through the last quarter. Wood had 2.
Which player had more influence around the ground? Mumford only had 1 clearance but had 4 contested marks and was presenting around the ground a lot more than Wood.

Back to stoppages...
Judd averages more stoppages a game than anyone else on our list.
You know who averages the second most? Yup. Cam Wood.
Carrazzo 3rd
Cripps =4th
Gibbs =4th

Even Warnock averages more clearances than Murphy! Does that make him a better player?

Stoppages are overrated.
Gibbs is overrated.

Re: Giants Trample Blues - Post Match

Reply #57 –
Quote from: Brettie on
People defending Gibbs' performance today......oh purlease, now I've heard it all.....

He was clearly our best player today, make of that what you will.
The only thing in this world worth more than a hill of beans is the Carlton Football Club.

Re: Giants Trample Blues - Post Match

Reply #58 –
Quote from: blue4life on
Football supporters commonly single out the better players when the team is going badly, Richardson copped it for years at Richmond.

To paraphrase Barrassi. "You give me EFFORT and i'll shutup!"

I'm not one to jump on Gibbs every week, but after watching him coast around tonight, i can't let him get commended for it. He is much better than that.

Re: Giants Trample Blues - Post Match

Reply #59 –
Quote from: blue4life on
He was clearly our best player today, make of that what you will.

Is that opinion or fact? I'd suggest the former.
Football is life, there is nothing else....