Not pretty, but got the result !!!
A hard game to watch for sure but happy with a 36 point win over one of our hoodoo sides O0
Not pretty, but got the result !!!
Yes, an ugly win beats the crap out of an honorable loss. Does more for the confidence too.
Amazing what happens when you have key forwards that can kick goals. Good to see Rowe get amongst it. Hendo can stay forward. We need a key defender.
Uninspiring win against a hapless opponent.
Put this one behind us, classic 8 point game next week against an opponent which has been a thorn in our side for a while.
Uninspiring win against a hapless opponent.
Put this one behind us, classic 8 point game next week against an opponent which has been a thorn in our side for a while.
They've just been beaten by the Lions. :o
Yes, didn't mind Rowe. Shows he at least knows what's going on. With some match hardening he might be something reasonable.
Hendo did a magnificent job to quarter time but was tightened up on from then on. I think if Waite comes back you play him off half back. Besides being unreliable, we need to start planning for life without him.
Uninspiring win against a hapless opponent.
Put this one behind us, classic 8 point game next week against an opponent which has been a thorn in our side for a while.
Agree,
better than losing for sure, but Saints are crap, and had a few of their best 22 out.
Norf lost to the lions btw.
The players were even flat after that one, they could hardly be bothered singing the club song.
There were some good passages of play and then some not so good ones. Henderson down forward was very good, Rowe wasn't too bad, Judd was terrific and Cachia seemed to wear Dal Santo like a glove so tight I hardly saw either of them. Jammo had a couple of shockers & Watson's kicking was excellent but his body positioning left a bit to be desired at times.
Hard to think that we would beat a team in the eight on that performance, the Saints are just a rubbish team that we should be beating regularly.
Happy with a win, might be harsh but for mine, there was nothing special to get excited about apart from the fact we broke that losing streak.
Brisbane did us a favour with their comeback against the Roos. We need to sharpen up if we are going to beat the Roos next week. Hopefully we'll take some confidence out of tonight's win.
Henderson was just what we needed tonight. Rowe is a keeper if he can get his endurance working . Watson probably did more in the seniors than he does in the juniors. Simo well done, Judd same old magic, and Garlett getting more active along with Yarran. Much better efforts. Not pretty but better for certain. ;)
Where was Garlett tonight ?? Hardly saw him at all.
What did people think of the physical aggression in the first quarter ?? Thought it was a good sign but it didn't actually help us perform any better than what we normally do.
While I'm happy to get the win I'm not getting carried away with that performance - we need to play better than that if we are to beat North next week in what is almost a finals elimination game.
I would like to see us stick with Hendo up forward now - we need to look for another KPD to replace him IMO. Rowe also did well and we need to persevere with him as a forward.
Watson kicked very well apart from one lapse and did a few things but I must say I've have doubts about him making it. There was one occasion I recall when his man got goal side of him and he was literally glacier-like in getting back - in fact he made no effort at all - a worry, but we'll see I guess.
Where was Garlett tonight ?? Hardly saw him at all.
What did people think of the physical aggression in the first quarter ?? Thought it was a good sign but it didn't actually help us perform any better than what we normally do.
Garlett got more into the game as it progressed, did ok in the end.
As to the biffo, nobody cleaned up Milne. 'Nuff said.
Henderson was just what we needed tonight. Rowe is a keeper if he can get his endurance working . Watson probably did more in the seniors than he does in the juniors. Simo well done, Judd same old magic, and Garlett getting more active along with Yarran. Much better efforts. Not pretty but better for certain. ;)
I just can't agree with you there Mantis, I reckon he is a stop-gap measure until a better option comes along. He plays the CHF position pretty well due to his years of experience in the role at Norwood but he has some limitations which will get exposed against the better teams.
I will say this though, he's a much better key forward option for us than Casboult purely on the back of his kicking for goal.
Where was Garlett tonight ?? Hardly saw him at all.
What did people think of the physical aggression in the first quarter ?? Thought it was a good sign but it didn't actually help us perform any better than what we normally do.
I was happy to see a few of our players lining up to whack Clint Jones who was tagging Murph! ;D
Uninspiring win against a hapless opponent.
Who normally pull our pants down and beat us up without much of a whimper in return (no matter who they put on the park).
What did people think of the physical aggression in the first quarter ?? Thought it was a good sign but it didn't actually help us perform any better than what we normally do.
Reminded me a lot of Geelong in the GFs they played between 88 and 95. Lots of chest beating and huffing and puffing not a lot of players putting their head over the ball.
Where was Garlett tonight ?? Hardly saw him at all.
What did people think of the physical aggression in the first quarter ?? Thought it was a good sign but it didn't actually help us perform any better than what we normally do.
I got the feeling it was a bit "forced''. They may have been told to go out and show some aggression but it doesn't look natural for this group and it wasn't until they settled down and played football in the second quarter that they looked more comfortable.
I don't think the aggression unsettled the Saints one iota.
Henderson was just what we needed tonight. Rowe is a keeper if he can get his endurance working . Watson probably did more in the seniors than he does in the juniors. Simo well done, Judd same old magic, and Garlett getting more active along with Yarran. Much better efforts. Not pretty but better for certain. ;)
I just can't agree with you there Mantis, I reckon he is a stop-gap measure until a better option comes along. He plays the CHF position pretty well due to his years of experience in the role at Norwood but he has some limitations which will get exposed against the better teams.
I will say this though, he's a much better key forward option for us than Casboult purely on the back of his kicking for goal.
I'm afraid whether you agree with me or not, in a way you just did exactly that. When Waite is ready and with Henderson number one tall forward , we need Rowe as back up when the other two have injuries or suspensions. Even if we do find another gem, Rowe will be in front of Hampson, Casboult and any other forward options we have. Unless we release walker forward, but that leaves us short in defence. Rowe is close to the best behind Henderson and Waite.
Henderson was just what we needed tonight. Rowe is a keeper if he can get his endurance working . Watson probably did more in the seniors than he does in the juniors. Simo well done, Judd same old magic, and Garlett getting more active along with Yarran. Much better efforts. Not pretty but better for certain. ;)
I just can't agree with you there Mantis, I reckon he is a stop-gap measure until a better option comes along. He plays the CHF position pretty well due to his years of experience in the role at Norwood but he has some limitations which will get exposed against the better teams.
I will say this though, he's a much better key forward option for us than Casboult purely on the back of his kicking for goal.
Wonder how Rowe would go at CHB once the tank develops. I'd like to go with the MM Pies way of having Waite, Henderson with Casboult doing a Leigh Brown type role. Like to see Menzel play too. Make our forward line more potent.
I'd be tempted to play Waite as CHB when he's available and use him as a swingman with Hendo. Let Hendo and Rowe settle in the forward line a while
Wonder how Rowe would go at CHB once the tank develops.
I thought we played him there earlier this year? Seemed comfortable enough in that position.
Don't underestimate that win.
It was very very important.
Well done Eddie Betts, I thought his clean ball use and composure was very important.
And well done Murph, every game he plays like this is great for us.
I'd be tempted to play Waite as CHB when he's available and use him as a swingman with Hendo. Let Hendo and Rowe settle in the forward line a while
I still reckon Waite has played his best football at CHB.
Henderson was just what we needed tonight. Rowe is a keeper if he can get his endurance working . Watson probably did more in the seniors than he does in the juniors. Simo well done, Judd same old magic, and Garlett getting more active along with Yarran. Much better efforts. Not pretty but better for certain. ;)
I just can't agree with you there Mantis, I reckon he is a stop-gap measure until a better option comes along. He plays the CHF position pretty well due to his years of experience in the role at Norwood but he has some limitations which will get exposed against the better teams.
I will say this though, he's a much better key forward option for us than Casboult purely on the back of his kicking for goal.
Good solid win, but our lack of pressure across the field and particularly when defending opposition kick-ins remains a concern. Rowe played well tonight and positioned well enough, but I'd prefer to invest the time into Levi who has far more upside. Levi could become a nightmare for opposition defences, whilst Rowe is only ever going to be a solid contributor at his best ( like tonight).
I was so pleased to see Robbo out and Watson in before the game - it really was fantastic watching Watson's composure in traffic tonight and he didn't look out of place.
Next week will be a lot tougher and we will need to up the tempo considerably if we are to be a chance against them next week.
Been a while since we've seen Judd pick up the team by the scruff of their collective necks and drag them across the line. Almost joined in the criticism that's been surfacing of late. Glad I bit my tongue.
I'd be tempted to play Waite as CHB when he's available and use him as a swingman with Hendo. Let Hendo and Rowe settle in the forward line a while
Waite was played in defense in the past (I prefer him there too as it should keep him focussed) yet a lot of people were convinced that he just doesn't play tight enough to hold down a role like that.
Put him up on a wing and let him run would be my best position for him.
I'd be tempted to play Waite as CHB when he's available and use him as a swingman with Hendo. Let Hendo and Rowe settle in the forward line a while
Waite was played in defense in the past (I prefer him there too as it should keep him focussed) yet a lot of people were convinced that he just doesn't play tight enough to hold down a role like that.
Put him up on a wing and let him run would be my best position for him.
Waite on the wing is a killing machine. Just need to find another forward and one decent defender to release him all over the ground. He is an absolute weapon we he can run his own space at will. I could never argue with Waite and where he can create damage.
Fair play to Mick.
Brought Watson in and played Hendo Forward.
Have we found one in Henderson?
Hooray !
We beat the 16th team...... :)
Pinot thoughts
Milne is therapist.
To Luke Darcy: BUT we've been booing him forever.
Henderson is a smart footballer.
Watso is uninspiring but operated at 100%
Cachia did well hunting the ball more than usual
Curnow is no good with the ball but he's a killer of ball magnets. Drove Montagna mad.
Yarran will never be what we want him to be. BUT he is what we need him to be.
Tuohy is becoming elite
Carrots is struggling
Scotland was better
Armfield was channeling me in the first half
Jammo was channeling me in the second half
Murphy works very hard.
Lucas confuses me. He's like a hot dumb chick.
Betts needs to play more midfield
McInness is bank interest
Simpson is selfish
Gibbs is NOT an elite kick
Kreuzer is Kreuzer
Walker is our driving force
JUdd
Maclean is stoic
Rowe can catch
What Rowe and Watson give us is structure, while unproven over the journey and with plenty of tests still front of them they are genuine KP players not ruckman trying to be turned into Kp players.
Rowe does have an edge in experience and knows how to play the position, also his kicking is excellent....but can he deliver 4 quarters each week and vs better opponents who wont give him space and front position where he can use his extra height.
Watson did some good spoils and his kicking was very good.....like Rowe its about him working hard for 4 quarters week in and week out.
He clearly doesnt put the effort in when playing for the NB's and like Rowe is a better player when playing with better players who can give him some easy ball to use those nice skills.
Forgotten man is Andrew McInnes in this equation...didnt look real comfortable on the more heavily built Lee but ran out the game well and keeps on keeping on.
A good player to have down back as a reliable type who knows his limitations and can help cover for any loose play from a player like Watson.
Henderson and Rowe may not be everyones ideal combo down foward but at least they can convert and you have confidence when they do shoot for goal.
A small step forward tonight and we are learning more about players who have had question marks next to their name....
Simpson played very well tonight down back and our physicality was much better.....broke the Saints hold over us and now its our turn to dominate them...
I'd be tempted to play Waite as CHB when he's available and use him as a swingman with Hendo. Let Hendo and Rowe settle in the forward line a while
I still reckon Waite has played his best football at CHB.
Leave him forward with Henderson. May as well make the forward line as potent as possible. Still remember big bodies like Brown smashing him and kicking 10 on him when he was CHB.
I'd be tempted to play Waite as CHB when he's available and use him as a swingman with Hendo. Let Hendo and Rowe settle in the forward line a while
I still reckon Waite has played his best football at CHB.
Leave him forward with Henderson. May as well make the forward line as potent as possible. Still remember big bodies like Brown smashing him and kicking 10 on him when he was CHB.
Agree...he can kick straight which is what you want down forward ....you cant have dodgy kicking players wasting limited opportunities.....
Agree with Brother Elwood about McInness, he has quietly found his way back in the team and at 191cmhe does look after that third-marking tall.
Still not back to his full fitness or playing capacity after being out for so long but he is an integral part of our defensive unit.
While I'm happy to get the win I'm not getting carried away with that performance - we need to play better than that if we are to beat North next week in what is almost a finals elimination game.
I would like to see us stick with Hendo up forward now - we need to look for another KPD to replace him IMO. Rowe also did well and we need to persevere with him as a forward.
Watson kicked very well apart from one lapse and did a few things but I must say I've have doubts about him making it. There was one occasion I recall when his man got goal side of him and he was literally glacier-like in getting back - in fact he made no effort at all - a worry, but we'll see I guess.
I reckon Watson's major problem is fitness. When with St. Nick up the ground for a spoil, will be interested to see what happens with him from here.
Like Andy Mac's game. Reminds me a lot of Toovey.
Geeze, Watson moved like an Iceberg. Surely gone either this year or next.
Was so happy to see two key forwards in Hendo and Rowe dominating our forward line again. Its been a while.
Jamo started the year off so well. Don't know what's happened. He's lucky Reiwoldt didn't bring his kicking boots.
Yazz has all the talent in the world, but is so very lazy. No wonder he drives Mick mad!
McInnes is goingto be a little ripper!
Kreuzer needs to grow a pair! Plays too nice, and really should be better then he is right now.
We didn't miss Robbo. Don't see why he should come back into the side to be honest.
Garlett was the invisible man again.
We still turn the ball over too often
Armfield is another guy who is badly out of form
Judd still plays like he's the Captain. Lifted when we needed him the most.
Heard that Sticks came out in the pre match and defended our list. Seriously, is he for real ? Confirms what a lot of us are thinking about him and his board!
The Tiprat is a total c*nt! Cant believe the big deal they were making about him being booed. Hello BT and Darc, we ve been booing him for 10 bloody years!!!
Heard that Sticks came out in the pre match and defended our list. Seriously, is he for real ? Confirms what a lot of us are thinking about him and his board!
Should he do a Collo and come out and say they are shizen? Even if he did believe that, what good could it possibly achieve?
Geeze, Watson moved like an Iceberg. Surely gone either this year or next.
Was so happy to see two key forwards in Hendo and Rowe dominating our forward line again. Its been a while.
Jamo started the year off so well. Don't know what's happened. He's lucky Reiwoldt didn't bring his kicking boots.
Yazz has all the talent in the world, but is so very lazy. No wonder he drives Mick mad!
McInnes is goingto be a little ripper!
Kreuzer needs to grow a pair! Plays too nice, and really should be better then he is right now.
We didn't miss Robbo. Don't see why he should come back into the side to be honest.
Garlett was the invisible man again.
We still turn the ball over too often
Armfield is another guy who is badly out of form
Judd still plays like he's the Captain. Lifted when we needed him the most.
Heard that Sticks came out in the pre match and defended our list. Seriously, is he for real ? Confirms what a lot of us are thinking about him and his board! The Tiprat is a total c*nt! Cant believe the big deal they were making about him being booed. Hello BT and Darc, we ve been booing him for 10 bloody years!!!
Watson has some great disposal skills (how about the torp ??) but you are right about his pace, he doesn't read it well enough to cut corners & gets himself out of position too often, sad really, but he will not be around for the long-term.
Yarran & his laziness .... !! Its the thing that irks the bejesus out of me, if he applied himself like Dangerfield does, he'd win a Brownlow but I have serious doubts whether he will ever get out of this second gear he just idles around the ground in, he too won't be in for the long haul.
As for Sticks ................ no seriously, did he really ?? Major face-palm & total embarrassment if that is the case.
Agree with Brother Elwood about McInness, he has quietly found his way back in the team and at 191cmhe does look after that third-marking tall.
Still not back to his full fitness or playing capacity after being out for so long but he is an integral part of our defensive unit.
since when have you been so positive?
Heard that Sticks came out in the pre match and defended our list. Seriously, is he for real ? Confirms what a lot of us are thinking about him and his board!
Should he do a Collo and come out and say they are shizen? Even if he did believe that, what good could it possibly achieve?
Sticks need to keep on being a figurehead and leave any thinking to others more capable...rather Malthouse comment on the list and recruiting issues.
Agree with Brother Elwood about McInness, he has quietly found his way back in the team and at 191cmhe does look after that third-marking tall.
Still not back to his full fitness or playing capacity after being out for so long but he is an integral part of our defensive unit.
since when have you been so positive?
He likes the Karma points it gets him :P
Geeze, Watson moved like an Iceberg. Surely gone either this year or next.
Rutten moves like one too.. but everyone has a hard-on for him
Agree with Brother Elwood about McInness, he has quietly found his way back in the team and at 191cmhe does look after that third-marking tall.
Still not back to his full fitness or playing capacity after being out for so long but he is an integral part of our defensive unit.
since when have you been so positive?
I've got a new therapist who has really turned me a round. :P
Heard that Sticks came out in the pre match and defended our list. Seriously, is he for real ? Confirms what a lot of us are thinking about him and his board!
Should he do a Collo and come out and say they are shizen? Even if he did believe that, what good could it possibly achieve?
He shouldn't comment at all.
BT and Darcy mocked his comments after they were reported, so ridiculous are they.
Heard that Sticks came out in the pre match and defended our list. Seriously, is he for real ? Confirms what a lot of us are thinking about him and his board!
Should he do a Collo and come out and say they are shizen? Even if he did believe that, what good could it possibly achieve?
He shouldn't comment at all.
BT and Darcy mocked his comments after they were reported, so ridiculous are they.
For all the criticism he gets, Sticks is pretty good at damage control and that's all he would have been doing here. Gets a bit of a bum wrap really.
What did he say that ended up being mocked?
What he says publicly and and privately could well be two different things. like any politician putting a positive spin on things.
Heard that Sticks came out in the pre match and defended our list. Seriously, is he for real ? Confirms what a lot of us are thinking about him and his board!
Should he do a Collo and come out and say they are shizen? Even if he did believe that, what good could it possibly achieve?
He shouldn't comment at all.
BT and Darcy mocked his comments after they were reported, so ridiculous are they.
For all the criticism he gets, Sticks is pretty good at damage control and that's all he would have been doing here. Gets a bit of a bum wrap really.
What did he say that ended up being mocked?
Defended our list saying its pretty good. He talked about all the 1st Round Draft Picks we ve got and how there's still scope for improvement from those guys.
That was what the 7 guys mocked saying 'Íd think they re list is their BIGGEST weakness. 'Yeah they might have those guys, but the list falls away badly after that'
I the BT and Darcy, but I had to agree with them on that.
What he says publicly and and privately could well be two different things. like any politician putting a positive spin on things.
Good point, he has to say positive things given he is the president. Be quite ordinary if he made sweeping statements just prior to a match.
Defended our list saying its pretty good. He talked about all the 1st Round Draft Picks we ve got and how there's still scope for improvement from those guys.
That was what the 7 guys mocked saying 'Íd think they re list is their BIGGEST weakness. 'Yeah they might have those guys, but the list falls away badly after that'
I the BT and Darcy, but I had to agree with them on that.
Was that in response to a question?
What he says publicly and and privately could well be two different things. like any politician putting a positive spin on things.
Good point, he has to say positive things given he is the president. Be quite ordinary if he made sweeping statements just prior to a match.
He has to say positive things because this weak list was built under his watch with his blessing.
Defended our list saying its pretty good. He talked about all the 1st Round Draft Picks we ve got and how there's still scope for improvement from those guys.
That was what the 7 guys mocked saying 'Íd think they re list is their BIGGEST weakness. 'Yeah they might have those guys, but the list falls away badly after that'
I the BT and Darcy, but I had to agree with them on that.
Was that in response to a question?
No, he brought it up himself during his Presidents Dinner speech.
Geeze, Watson moved like an Iceberg. Surely gone either this year or next.
Rutten moves like one too.. but everyone has a hard-on for him
I thought Watson had a good game today.
If Tarrant is out next week, he may get another game.
If we can keep hendo forward, all the better
Heard that Sticks came out in the pre match and defended our list. Seriously, is he for real ? Confirms what a lot of us are thinking about him and his board!
Should he do a Collo and come out and say they are shizen? Even if he did believe that, what good could it possibly achieve?
He shouldn't comment at all.
BT and Darcy mocked his comments after they were reported, so ridiculous are they.
Hang on a sec, don't we all mock the sht out of them for their stupid opinions? I'd be backing our pres any day over those two turkeys.
Was that in response to a question?
No, he brought it up himself during his Presidents Dinner speech.
Should he ignore the elephant in the room? The coach said the list was short 6 players or whatever it was. There has been how many articles about how we have no A-graders and are no good? There's comments that we're going to go backwards next year.
What else should his address been about this week? Just sounds like damage control, letting the faithful (who can be fickle and withdraw their support (money) very quickly) know they;re not panicking and they should stick with us.
Whether it's crap or not, who knows - footy is a political game and crapting on your own players isn't good politics.
Tarrant and Hansen are potential outs so Bomber Watson should have a crack next week.
I'm backing Sticks over BT and Darcy every day of the week... And twice on Sundays!
Was that in response to a question?
No, he brought it up himself during his Presidents Dinner speech.
Should he ignore the elephant in the room? The coach said the list was short 6 players or whatever it was. There has been how many articles about how we have no A-graders and are no good? There's comments that we're going to go backwards next year.
What else should his address been about this week? Just sounds like damage control, letting the faithful (who can be fickle and withdraw their support (money) very quickly) know they;re not panicking and they should stick with us.
Whether it's crap or not, who knows - footy is a political game and crapting on your own players isn't good politics.
Imagine the crap Ratts would've coppednhadne trotted out that line last year. :-\
Did anyone notice how lacklustre the team song was sung after the game? Didn't look good. I think a big problem with this side is they have too many introverts and not enough that show genuine leadership qualities.
Did anyone notice how lacklustre the team song was sung after the game? Didn't look good. I think a big problem with this side is they have too many introverts and not enough that show genuine leadership qualities.
Or maybe they don't like hearing how $hite they are from their employer :-\
Happy with a win, but can not say that at any stage did I think we were going to win it. Only at the 2.52 mins to go was I thinking we are over the line. Regardless, I thought there were some good signs.
Hendo man crush continues, and love to see him say forward.
Rowe did well coming in as Hendo's wing man.
Murphy seemed more comfortable with the helmet and attacked the ball with renewed vigour.
Yarran appeared determined to have an influence, and did at times. (Needs to be more consistent though).
Judd had a much improved game, but you expect champions to bounce back.
Gibbs and Lucas looked better this week, Lucas in particular did some nice stuff.
Kruezer needs to play with a bit more aggression,last night he was ok, but again went unnoticed at times.
Interesting comment by MM on Watson in his presser. I thought he gave him a wrap, but then sort off suggested he is surplus due to having walker and mcinnes - interesting ???
Edit. Any news/whispers on why Yarran and Garlett seemed pretty upset with one of the saints players. Didn't see who it was but they both seemed pretty upset by something?
I'm backing Sticks over BT and Darcy every day of the week... And twice on Sundays!
When it comes to commentating Carlton, BT is the biggest Fn C god ever shovelled guts into.
It is honestly laughable. Anyone who uses his comment about Carlton as backup for their point is in reality disproving it.
As for Sticks coming out and supporting the team publicly... Well, do we really need to ask whether our club president did the right thing in getting behind the team and supporting them after such a horror week? ::)
Talking commentary team again Brian "Blues Trasher" Taylor and Luke Darcehole are a disgrace and their bias knows no bounds. Just a couple of motor-mouth morons who provide no meaningful analysis or insights into the game. Are they having a lend of us? Just a constant stream of biassed drivel - Foxtel please note, "Get Rid of Them please!" >:D
Heard that Sticks came out in the pre match and defended our list. Seriously, is he for real ? Confirms what a lot of us are thinking about him and his board!
Should he do a Collo and come out and say they are shizen? Even if he did believe that, what good could it possibly achieve?
He shouldn't comment at all.
BT and Darcy mocked his comments after they were reported, so ridiculous are they.
Hang on a sec, don't we all mock the sht out of them for their stupid opinions? I'd be backing our pres any day over those two turkeys.
Agree - if I have to hear BT (aka Big Turdface) say Big Boy McEvoy again................
Every AFL list has its weak spots and can be improved. Having said that, our list as it stands currently is easily good enough to make top 8, and I would say with a bit of luck and what not, is also good enough to nudge the top 4, and in fact was almost top 4 recently. The list needs a couple of changes, not a major overhaul.
Where was Garlett tonight ?? Hardly saw him at all.
What did people think of the physical aggression in the first quarter ?? Thought it was a good sign but it didn't actually help us perform any better than what we normally do.
I havnt read 1 post here that saw the "physical agression" incidents as I did.......and I'm starting to second guess myself. :o
I was so irate last night...... AFAIC, we didnt instigate the agression, they did. I was behind the goals we were kicking to in the 1st qrt and all of the backs came out of there huddle making a beeline for Lucas inparticular. Lucas got hit with a few right hooks to which he duely replied with giving a few back. St Kilda tried to intimidate us last night. We didnt start any of that carp from what I saw!!
And the plicks just kept at it for a lot of the first half too. It's when we started getting on top that the Yarrans and Garletts were giving it back to them. More verbally than physically but they were just getting up the skin of the Aints from there on.
I'd be tempted to play Waite as CHB when he's available and use him as a swingman with Hendo. Let Hendo and Rowe settle in the forward line a while
I still reckon Waite has played his best football at CHB.
Waite won't be playing down back ever again. Too old for it and his body is not up for it.
Menzel is not small, so he can play that walker type role up forward. Hendo is a lock forward now. Rowe will struggle when Waite returns. I still see casbolt as part of that structure. He is a pack marking full forward and should be played that way. Waite and hendo are great on the lead and one on one but casbolt is the only one with ability to mark that bomb to full forward. Get him in and leave him there.
Rowe needs to be versatile (play a role in defence) at times to get a game until Waite retires.
Watson is great in the air but is a chook with his head cut off once the ball hits the ground.
he will get exposed sooner than later.
Did anyone notice how lacklustre the team song was sung after the game? Didn't look good. I think a big problem with this side is they have too many introverts and not enough that show genuine leadership qualities.
The only teams who sing the song with much gusto when they beat a bottom 4 side, is other bottom 4 sides.
Watched Mcinnes very closely last night. Gee he is a good player. Just seems to do everything right, very hard to beat one on one. Seems undersized to be a key defender but a fabulous no nonsense type of guy.
@bigblue
Yes, I noticed Gearey was really getting cut, especially when Jeffy had him holding the ball. Pity Jeffy didn't convert though.
Did anyone notice how lacklustre the team song was sung after the game? Didn't look good. I think a big problem with this side is they have too many introverts and not enough that show genuine leadership qualities.
The only teams who sing the song with much gusto when they beat a bottom 4 side, is other bottom 4 sides.
Yeah, you wouldn't want to pay the 'Aints the compliment of singing the song with gusto after beating them> :))
I too wasnt convinced we would win until late....very late in the game!
Talking to some supporters at the ground, a lot of them said the same thing...." where is our flair?? we dont play with any flair anymore. Its stand here, run there stuff. Very rigid stuff and a real lack of taking a risk type football" They've got a point!!
Thought Hendo and Rowe were great last night. Worked well together and looked for each other when the other had the ball.
Kreuz seemed to get first hand to the ball at every contest but appeared to be tapping it to the white jumpers rather than the blue!!
There was a boundary throw in right beside our point post and Kruez got his hand to the ball and tapped it toward the goal square, 5 or so meters out....beautiful stuff it really was, but the problem was that the Aints players all ran there and all our blokes were out in the pocket wanting the tap to go back the other way!! I dont know who to be critical of here but it definataley is making Kruez look stupid!!
Is that where he's being instructed to hit the ball ???Is it lack of talk with our mids??? Are our mids the stupid one's maybe???? Dont know the answer but for the amount of times Kreuz gets a free ride to the ball through good positioning, the team in no way shape or form seem to be reeping the benefits!!!!!! >:(
We still seem to be getting mixed messages out there.......either that or we really do have some dumb footballers playing for us. It was a win. Effort, skill, physicality was still way down on our effort against the Hawks but at least we won.
Armfield needs a rest. Curnow is poo. Cachia ok. Touhy some nice things and all in all beat Milne.
McInnes was solid/dependable, thought Betts was great and gave us impact imediately when he came on.
Was Carrots injured or just taken off by MM???
Judd is a superstar. They say he carried WC for all those years. I'm sorry if we broke you Juddy. You truelly are a gem. Was an honour to watch you ork last night. ;)
Aside from Watson, who I'll keep my powder dry on for now, I think our major weaknesses, based on last night, are:
Armfield
Curnow - maybe OK as a tag but awful disposal
Carrazzo.
There are obviously others who could be criticised, but replace the above with three hard at it quality players and we could be looking a lot better.
I'm backing Sticks over BT and Darcy every day of the week... And twice on Sundays!
When it comes to commentating Carlton, BT is the biggest Fn C god ever shovelled guts into.
It is honestly laughable. Anyone who uses his comment about Carlton as backup for their point is in reality disproving it.
As for Sticks coming out and supporting the team publicly... Well, do we really need to ask whether our club president did the right thing in getting behind the team and supporting them after such a horror week? ::)
absolutely....
Talking commentary team again Brian "Blues Trasher" Taylor and Luke Darcehole are a disgrace and their bias knows no bounds. Just a couple of motor-mouth morons who provide no meaningful analysis or insights into the game. Are they having a lend of us? Just a constant stream of biassed drivel - Foxtel please note, "Get Rid of Them please!" >:D
and again......x2
Not pretty, but got the result !!!
Yes, an ugly win beats the crap out of an honorable loss. Does more for the confidence too.
Amazing what happens when you have key forwards that can kick goals. Good to see Rowe get amongst it. Hendo can stay forward. We need a key defender.
If Watson could come on we have one staring us in the face. That would release Hendo.
Aside from Watson, who I'll keep my powder dry on for now, I think our major weaknesses, based on last night, are:
Armfield
Curnow - maybe OK as a tag but awful disposal
Carrazzo.
There are obviously others who could be criticised, but replace the above with three hard at it quality players and we could be looking a lot better.
Carrots may be out of form ATM but surely his past 2 yrs have earned him enough credits to be safe. Simmo seems to have turned the corner. I reckon it's just a matter of time till carrots does too.
@Bigblue
Yes, Carrots could well turn things around and I hope he does. I don't think we'll actually get rid of him yet, but he may be challenged to hold his place in the 22.
I too wasnt convinced we would win until late....very late in the game!
Talking to some supporters at the ground, a lot of them said the same thing...." where is our flair?? we dont play with any flair anymore. Its stand here, run there stuff. Very rigid stuff and a real lack of taking a risk type football" They've got a point!!
Thought Hendo and Rowe were great last night. Worked well together and looked for each other when the other had the ball.
Kreuz seemed to get first hand to the ball at every contest but appeared to be tapping it to the white jumpers rather than the blue!!
There was a boundary throw in right beside our point post and Kruez got his hand to the ball and tapped it toward the goal square, 5 or so meters out....beautiful stuff it really was, but the problem was that the Aints players all ran there and all our blokes were out in the pocket wanting the tap to go back the other way!! I dont know who to be critical of here but it definataley is making Kruez look stupid!!
Is that where he's being instructed to hit the ball ???Is it lack of talk with our mids??? Are our mids the stupid one's maybe???? Dont know the answer but for the amount of times Kreuz gets a free ride to the ball through good positioning, the team in no way shape or form seem to be reeping the benefits!!!!!! >:(
We still seem to be getting mixed messages out there.......either that or we really do have some dumb footballers playing for us. It was a win. Effort, skill, physicality was still way down on our effort against the Hawks but at least we won.
Armfield needs a rest. Curnow is poo. Cachia ok. Touhy some nice things and all in all beat Milne.
McInnes was solid/dependable, thought Betts was great and gave us impact imediately when he came on.
Was Carrots injured or just taken off by MM???
Judd is a superstar. They say he carried WC for all those years. I'm sorry if we broke you Juddy. You truelly are a gem. Was an honour to watch you ork last night. ;)
Flair usually lasts as long as the confidence and composure is there to execute.
Our flair existed only in those games where we could run free and look good that doesn't happen when the other side is serious with its pressure.
We need players who can keep their composure and execute under extreme pressure, I'm not sure we have enough of them yet.
After sleeping on it, I'm still pleased we got a win over the Saints given they have beaten us 14 out of the past 16 times. Let's be honest though, we beat a crap team who we should beat as they are below us on the ladder.
What is really important though is that win last night does not excuse the team for last week's lame effort and no-one here should be forgetting it either.
I too wasnt convinced we would win until late....very late in the game!
Talking to some supporters at the ground, a lot of them said the same thing...." where is our flair?? we dont play with any flair anymore. Its stand here, run there stuff. Very rigid stuff and a real lack of taking a risk type football" They've got a point!!
Yep, I was at the game last night too and said to my partner they just don't seem to play their natural footy now. Whether that's the MM game plan they're still getting used to or not, I don't know, but they are definitely playing differently. I would almost think it's no confidence, but there's something more - it's like they've been told not to play their natural games and don't know wtf to do when they get the ball (most of them, not all, Walker backs himself constantly).
Our list is not crap - our list has been asked to play differently to how they have been for years and they seem to be having trouble adjusting. Even Yaz didn't fire away at shots he usually would, and stopped and propped a few times, very unlike him.
We will be okay - and screw Garry Lyon and BT and all those arseholes that have NFI - let's stick together, as Sticks said O0
Imagine the crap Ratts would've coppednhadne trotted out that line last year. :-\
Imagine having a week go by without you pining for Ratten!
I too wasnt convinced we would win until late....very late in the game!
Talking to some supporters at the ground, a lot of them said the same thing...." where is our flair?? we dont play with any flair anymore. Its stand here, run there stuff. Very rigid stuff and a real lack of taking a risk type football" They've got a point!!
Thought Hendo and Rowe were great last night. Worked well together and looked for each other when the other had the ball.
Kreuz seemed to get first hand to the ball at every contest but appeared to be tapping it to the white jumpers rather than the blue!!
There was a boundary throw in right beside our point post and Kruez got his hand to the ball and tapped it toward the goal square, 5 or so meters out....beautiful stuff it really was, but the problem was that the Aints players all ran there and all our blokes were out in the pocket wanting the tap to go back the other way!! I dont know who to be critical of here but it definataley is making Kruez look stupid!!
Is that where he's being instructed to hit the ball ???Is it lack of talk with our mids??? Are our mids the stupid one's maybe???? Dont know the answer but for the amount of times Kreuz gets a free ride to the ball through good positioning, the team in no way shape or form seem to be reeping the benefits!!!!!! >:(
We still seem to be getting mixed messages out there.......either that or we really do have some dumb footballers playing for us. It was a win. Effort, skill, physicality was still way down on our effort against the Hawks but at least we won.
Armfield needs a rest. Curnow is poo. Cachia ok. Touhy some nice things and all in all beat Milne.
McInnes was solid/dependable, thought Betts was great and gave us impact imediately when he came on.
Was Carrots injured or just taken off by MM???
Judd is a superstar. They say he carried WC for all those years. I'm sorry if we broke you Juddy. You truelly are a gem. Was an honour to watch you ork last night. ;)
Flair usually lasts as long as the confidence and composure is there to execute.
Our flair existed only in those games where we could run free and look good that doesn't happen when the other side is serious with its pressure.
We need players who can keep their composure and execute under extreme pressure, I'm not sure we have enough of them yet.
Flair? Forget flair.
Flair doesn't win you Grand Finals. If you listed teams based on flair, the reigning premiers would be 18th!
What we had last night was a well oiled machine. Didn't look pretty, but worked brilliantly, even if we had a few suspect parts in it.
We played well.
We played 4 quarters.
We were crucified early, we were attacked physically....we won.
Forget flair, i'll take that performance each and every week.
A tough, hard fought win. They have nothing except their size to compete. Jones is a cheap shot artist, Armitage is not much better, his coat hanger on Walker should be cited. St Kilda came out and tried to intimidate and we stood up and said no. It took us the first quarter and a talking to but the team came back composed.
Rowe and Henderson - I won't be getting too carried away with their games, St Kilda would have to be the worst by a long way with key position defenders. Henderson was great and his game will stand up against better defenses (see next week) but Rowe was serviceable and will be found out by the bigger, stronger and better North defenders next week.
Judd - Superhero!
Simpson - Good again. Will never doubt his courage in going back, but he needs to remember that he has team mates out there who may be in better positions to go for the ball. He seemed, a couple of times, to stuff up a clearance from the back line because he wanted to touch the ball rather than lay a block.
Cachia - Good, nice rebound after last week did his job and provided a link a few times with a nice pass deep into the 50 to advantage.
Gibbs - Average
Kruezer - Satisfactory, I don't know if it's his thumb but I want more from this man now. More pack smashing, more damaging the opposition smalls who dare to get over the ball when he's around. Make them scared of picking the ball up.
Yarran - Did better, he needs to be further up the field as a high half forward and getting involved in the play using his pace, but both ways all te time not just a selective chase when you can be bothered.
Lucas - Last season I was questioning his pace and disposal and most importantly his toughness / hardness around the ball. Nothing changed my view for the first 10 or so rounds. I am happy to say I see a different Lucas now. I saw him take hits just so he could get the ball to a better place, I saw him lower his head into dangerous territory to knock it to advantage. His tackling leaves much to be desired however I am happy to see some improvement and hopeful that this leads to better physicality next season.
Any win against these guys is a good one, they rate up there with Essendon as teams I despise to the point of hatred. >:D
Aside from Watson, who I'll keep my powder dry on for now, I think our major weaknesses, based on last night, are:
Armfield
Curnow - maybe OK as a tag but awful disposal
Carrazzo.
There are obviously others who could be criticised, but replace the above with three hard at it quality players and we could be looking a lot better.
Carrots may be out of form ATM but surely his past 2 yrs have earned him enough credits to be safe. Simmo seems to have turned the corner. I reckon it's just a matter of time till carrots does too.
All players need a string of consecutive games to hit form, Carrazzo has been out for weeks it will take a few more for him to find his feet.
Aside from Watson, who I'll keep my powder dry on for now, I think our major weaknesses, based on last night, are:
Armfield
Curnow - maybe OK as a tag but awful disposal
Carrazzo.
There are obviously others who could be criticised, but replace the above with three hard at it quality players and we could be looking a lot better.
Which 3 hard at it quality players do you suggest ?
Heard that Sticks came out in the pre match and defended our list. Seriously, is he for real ? Confirms what a lot of us are thinking about him and his board!
Should he do a Collo and come out and say they are shizen? Even if he did believe that, what good could it possibly achieve?
He shouldn't comment at all.
BT and Darcy mocked his comments after they were reported, so ridiculous are they.
Hang on a sec, don't we all mock the sht out of them for their stupid opinions? I'd be backing our pres any day over those two turkeys.
x 2
Aside from Watson, who I'll keep my powder dry on for now, I think our major weaknesses, based on last night, are:
Armfield
Curnow - maybe OK as a tag but awful disposal
Carrazzo.
There are obviously others who could be criticised, but replace the above with three hard at it quality players and we could be looking a lot better.
Which 3 hard at it quality players do you suggest ?
I've no doubt our highly skilled recruitment dept. will find them! 8)
Talking commentary team again Brian "Blues Trasher" Taylor and Luke Darcehole are a disgrace and their bias knows no bounds. Just a couple of motor-mouth morons who provide no meaningful analysis or insights into the game. Are they having a lend of us? Just a constant stream of biassed drivel - Foxtel please note, "Get Rid of Them please!" >:D
Couldnt get to the game, watched it with the volume turned down as I cant handle the tripe that comes out of those two oxygen thieves mouths.
Garlett was the invisible man again.
:o He kicked 3 goals..
Geeze, Watson moved like an Iceberg. Surely gone either this year or next.
Was so happy to see two key forwards in Hendo and Rowe dominating our forward line again. Its been a while.
Jamo started the year off so well. Don't know what's happened. He's lucky Reiwoldt didn't bring his kicking boots.
Yazz has all the talent in the world, but is so very lazy. No wonder he drives Mick mad!
McInnes is goingto be a little ripper!
Kreuzer needs to grow a pair! Plays too nice, and really should be better then he is right now.
We didn't miss Robbo. Don't see why he should come back into the side to be honest.
Garlett was the invisible man again.
We still turn the ball over too often
Armfield is another guy who is badly out of form
Judd still plays like he's the Captain. Lifted when we needed him the most.
Heard that Sticks came out in the pre match and defended our list. Seriously, is he for real ? Confirms what a lot of us are thinking about him and his board! The Tiprat is a total c*nt! Cant believe the big deal they were making about him being booed. Hello BT and Darc, we ve been booing him for 10 bloody years!!!
Watson has some great disposal skills (how about the torp ??) but you are right about his pace, he doesn't read it well enough to cut corners & gets himself out of position too often, sad really, but he will not be around for the long-term.
Yarran & his laziness .... !! Its the thing that irks the bejesus out of me, if he applied himself like Dangerfield does, he'd win a Brownlow but I have serious doubts whether he will ever get out of this second gear he just idles around the ground in, he too won't be in for the long haul.
As for Sticks ................ no seriously, did he really ?? Major face-palm & total embarrassment if that is the case.
Watson did his job about as well as he did last year and as well as he has been doing in the VFL when matched up against the slowest tall forward but he looked uncompetitive against the faster Lee - I was disappointed (but not surprised) when he gave up chasing as opponents ran into the goal square on two separate occasions - he couldn't catch them (or anyone) but giving up is a very bad look. At the moment he is a liability against genuine tall forwards (unless they are as slow as Luke Mitchell) but can fill a space against resting ruckmen who can't mark (Warnock might be a good match up).
Yarran was well served by Eddie's absence, which allowed him to play further forward and not have to run so much - super-talented but continues to be soft and lazy. MM's coaching efforts have been evident since the body language saga - against the Swans he came on and made a couple of committed efforts before going missing in the final term - against the Pies he made a couple of committed efforts in the 1/4 when the team was going well but clearly didn't like the discomfort of physical contact and went missing thereafter - yesterday he was noticeable in the way he tried to deliver the ball to teammates than his usual selfish solo efforts (except on two occasions) - it remains to be seen whether the leopard will change his spots or whether he will continue to be the ultimate downhill skier.
Aside from Watson, who I'll keep my powder dry on for now, I think our major weaknesses, based on last night, are:
Armfield
Curnow - maybe OK as a tag but awful disposal
Carrazzo.
There are obviously others who could be criticised, but replace the above with three hard at it quality players and we could be looking a lot better.
Which 3 hard at it quality players do you suggest ?
I've no doubt our highly skilled recruitment dept. will find them! 8)
Armfield has limitations (especially in the midfield) but intensity and effort cannot be questioned and he did his job in curtailing Stevens
I too wasnt convinced we would win until late....very late in the game!
Talking to some supporters at the ground, a lot of them said the same thing...." where is our flair?? we dont play with any flair anymore. Its stand here, run there stuff. Very rigid stuff and a real lack of taking a risk type football" They've got a point!!
Thought Hendo and Rowe were great last night. Worked well together and looked for each other when the other had the ball.
Kreuz seemed to get first hand to the ball at every contest but appeared to be tapping it to the white jumpers rather than the blue!!
There was a boundary throw in right beside our point post and Kruez got his hand to the ball and tapped it toward the goal square, 5 or so meters out....beautiful stuff it really was, but the problem was that the Aints players all ran there and all our blokes were out in the pocket wanting the tap to go back the other way!! I dont know who to be critical of here but it definataley is making Kruez look stupid!!
Is that where he's being instructed to hit the ball ???Is it lack of talk with our mids??? Are our mids the stupid one's maybe???? Dont know the answer but for the amount of times Kreuz gets a free ride to the ball through good positioning, the team in no way shape or form seem to be reeping the benefits!!!!!! >:(
We still seem to be getting mixed messages out there.......either that or we really do have some dumb footballers playing for us. It was a win. Effort, skill, physicality was still way down on our effort against the Hawks but at least we won.
Armfield needs a rest. Curnow is poo. Cachia ok. Touhy some nice things and all in all beat Milne.
McInnes was solid/dependable, thought Betts was great and gave us impact imediately when he came on.
Was Carrots injured or just taken off by MM???
Judd is a superstar. They say he carried WC for all those years. I'm sorry if we broke you Juddy. You truelly are a gem. Was an honour to watch you ork last night. ;)
Flair usually lasts as long as the confidence and composure is there to execute.
Our flair existed only in those games where we could run free and look good that doesn't happen when the other side is serious with its pressure.
We need players who can keep their composure and execute under extreme pressure, I'm not sure we have enough of them yet.
Flair? Forget flair.
Flair doesn't win you Grand Finals. If you listed teams based on flair, the reigning premiers would be 18th!
What we had last night was a well oiled machine. Didn't look pretty, but worked brilliantly, even if we had a few suspect parts in it.
We played well.
We played 4 quarters.
We were crucified early, we were attacked physically....we won.
Forget flair, i'll take that performance each and every week.
It's stating the obvious, but you need both good attack and good defense to play and win finals. Without turning this into word definition 101, I would say the Dawks and Cats play with plenty of flair, but have good defense to back it up. Swannies are more defense orientated, but are miles way from the "ugly football" slur of yesteryear. You can't win finals unless you post a decent score. The team under Ratts had plenty of flair, and little defense. MM needs to add defense without sacrificing attack - that is his challenge.
Aside from Watson, who I'll keep my powder dry on for now, I think our major weaknesses, based on last night, are:
Armfield
Curnow - maybe OK as a tag but awful disposal
Carrazzo.
There are obviously others who could be criticised, but replace the above with three hard at it quality players and we could be looking a lot better.
Which 3 hard at it quality players do you suggest ?
I've no doubt our highly skilled recruitment dept. will find them! 8)
Armfield has limitations (especially in the midfield) but intensity and effort cannot be questioned and he did his job in curtailing Stevens
For a man from a rugby background, Armfield's tackling is terrible.
Watson did his job about as well as he did last year and as well as he has been doing in the VFL when matched up against the slowest tall forward but he looked uncompetitive against the faster Lee - I was disappointed (but not surprised) when he gave up chasing as opponents ran into the goal square on two separate occasions
I wasn't too worried about the first one as he was chasing some much quicker than him but the second one was disappointing.
Armfields tackling is very good .
And don't read anything into how the song is sung Juddys how they back each other up on the field which, I'm happy to say, we did a bit of that stuff slew normally don't even get involved in.
Just finished watching the replay and jesus....the commentary :o :o :o
Whats a stronger word than biased? >:(
I like how they continually blamed us for starting all the scuffles and how MM would be demanding it??? FFs have alook at how it all started you useless fwits!!
no mention of how we were getting the rough end of the stick with the umps but "oh Milera should have got a free for a high umpire". BT you useless O2 theif, he ducked his Fing head!!!
@RiverRat
I like Army and how he puts in RR, it's just that IMO we need an injection of players who are hard at it and also have a bit more class in terms of not only how they shut down players but how they hurt the opposition in more positive ways.
Cachia is starting to show some of this but Army and Curnow don't IMO - or at least not enough. Carrots was also in that latter category last night.
Geeze, Watson moved like an Iceberg. Surely gone either this year or next.
Rutten moves like one too.. but everyone has a hard-on for him
Ummm...Rutten is a proven, AA full-back, reads the play as well as any defender in the AFL & uses his body extremely well one-on-one, with a reputation 2nd-to-none.....
Your turn sir.....
Just finished watching the replay and jesus....the commentary :o :o :o
Whats a stronger word than biased? >:(
I like how they continually blamed us for starting all the scuffles and how MM would be demanding it??? FFs have alook at how it all started you useless fwits!!
no mention of how we were getting the rough end of the stick with the umps but "oh Milera should have got a free for a high umpire". BT you useless O2 theif, he ducked his Fing head!!!
The other classic was "This is the anniversary of the Judd chicken wing tackle"! ::)
Did anyone notice how lacklustre the team song was sung after the game? Didn't look good. I think a big problem with this side is they have too many introverts and not enough that show genuine leadership qualities.
Or maybe they don't like hearing how $hite they are from their employer :-\
Or maybe 'cos it was just a win against a team that has won just 3 games this year. Final siren went & I didn't see any Carlton supporters jumping around hysterically in delight.....some sang the song, most of us just smiled in quiet satisfaction & made our way out of the stadium. It ended up being a solid win (in margin) against a lowly opponent. Job done - what sort of reaction did you expect from the players....a lap of honour, followed-up with champagne popping in the rooms!? Purlease.....
Henderson was just what we needed tonight. Rowe is a keeper if he can get his endurance working . Watson probably did more in the seniors than he does in the juniors. Simo well done, Judd same old magic, and Garlett getting more active along with Yarran. Much better efforts. Not pretty but better for certain. ;)
I just can't agree with you there Mantis, I reckon he is a stop-gap measure until a better option comes along. He plays the CHF position pretty well due to his years of experience in the role at Norwood but he has some limitations which will get exposed against the better teams.
I will say this though, he's a much better key forward option for us than Casboult purely on the back of his kicking for goal.
Apparently Rowe has just signed a 1 year contract for next season. So he is going to be around for a little while longer
I don't know about Casboult, who is a better mark, but a worse kick and who also tends to run under the ball too much. I can't see both of them there next year, but there is also Mitchell.
Most of us can identify some of Rowe's issues, especially when the ball hits the ground. However, if we can get him playing to his strengths, rather than his weaknesses, he does give us something. Ross Ditchburn also had weaknesses, but we played to his strengths and he was top goal kicker for us.
As usual, Watson appears to have been the cause of some dissention. There were time when he did very well and others when he just didn't appear to want it enough.
At the moment he fills a role and will probably next weekend as well: North have too many talls not to play him. However, we need someone a bit better than that, especially in terms of pace.
Geeze, Watson moved like an Iceberg. Surely gone either this year or next.
Rutten moves like one too.. but everyone has a hard-on for him
Ummm...Rutten is a proven, AA full-back, reads the play as well as any defender in the AFL & uses his body extremely well one-on-one, with a reputation 2nd-to-none.....
Your turn sir.....
Watson has played 12 games and hasn't had a consistent run in the seniors...
your turn sir.
My word we were slow slow slow to move the ball forward....
As soon as we addressed that point, we looked a 300% better side.
Man, the Curnow-bashing is doing my head in. The number of times he was there to mop-up fcuk-ups by other players last night was immeasurable. Yep, he can chop the ball up at times & guess what? So does the great Juddy. What'd Montagna do after quarter time last night? That's right, ZILCH. Curnow is a tackling machine & is always at the coal-face of play.....and going on what's been produced the last 2 weeks, is giving us a lot more than Carrazzo or Armfield at the moment.
Armfield finds himself in a rich vein of poor form right now.....I counted 2 missed tackles last night, his speed appears to have deserted him & he's totally ineffective (someone mentioned he did well on Steven....seriously? His team's 2nd-biggest possession getter last night with 22, plus a goal, compared to Armfield's 15.....seriously?)
Anyone else think Murphy looks slow lately? If he is carrying whatever leg injury (well, I hope that's his excuse), then it's clearly hampering his effectiveness....fancy having a chop like Clint Jones, not just outrun you, but widen the gap. Murph's chasing (plenty of examples in the Collingwood game too) is simply pedestrian at the moment....and it's quite obvious that opposition teams are taking full advantage of it.
Lots of okay/good performances, but as already mentioned, the likes of Juddy, Simmo, Hendo, Rowe, Cachia were standouts. Loved the functioning 2-pronged tall-forward line. Hendo = gun....absolute, deadset gun. Someone earlier in this thread mentioned that until last night, they were considering joining in on the criticism of Judd......fcuk me = another person who doesn't have a friggin' clue.
I hope Heath Scotland reads the signs and pulls the pin himself at year's end & doesn't need to be 'tapped on the shoulder'.....been a magnificent servant to our Club, but his effectiveness is becoming less & less.....the signs are well & truly there.
Brisbane us a huge favour, hopefully Freo will too....where there's life, there's hope!!!
Geeze, Watson moved like an Iceberg. Surely gone either this year or next.
Rutten moves like one too.. but everyone has a hard-on for him
Ummm...Rutten is a proven, AA full-back, reads the play as well as any defender in the AFL & uses his body extremely well one-on-one, with a reputation 2nd-to-none.....
Your turn sir.....
Watson has played 12 games and hasn't had a consistent run in the seniors...
your turn sir.
That's it......your hanging your hat on that? Come on LR, you can do better than that.....
12 senior games & countless VFL games over 3 years whereby he's shown no improvement in one-on-one contests (did you watch the VFL game against Casey Scorpions a couple of weeks ago?), is beyond hopeless when the ball hits the ground & doesn't read the play particularly well. I'm more than happy to have seen him get a game last night & like all Carlton players, hope he turns into a gun or even something more-than-reasonable will do - however, without the ball in his hands or at ground level.......yikes, he's got some work to do....and so far it hasn't improved over the 3 years he's been part of the AFL system. I shudder to think what someone like Drew Petrie or Robbie Tarrant might do to him.....
re Watson...
He was asked to fill space for most of the night. The space 15m in front of Riewoldt. Jamo had roo inside 50, and most of the time he went on a searching lead outside 50, Jamo handed over to Watson.
Walker also performed a similar role.
Both Walker and Tuohy spent a fair bit of time on Milne.
The combination of that TEAM defence is why we did so well against the sainters down back. They were all covering for eachother and forcing the saints to go out wide.
Watson didn't have a brilliant night, but he performed his role.
The fact his inclusion meant Henderson was able to play a full game forward, with obvious benefits, is another tick for Watson....and Mick and the MC.
My word we were slow slow slow to move the ball forward....
As soon as we addressed that point, we looked a 300% better side.
It's been an issue most of this season. Ratts was too much one way, and MM has gone too much the other way.
Gives the opposition too much time to set up their defense. Watch the Dawks to see fast and accurate ball movement. Beautiful to watch.
Geeze, Watson moved like an Iceberg. Surely gone either this year or next.
Rutten moves like one too.. but everyone has a hard-on for him
Ummm...Rutten is a proven, AA full-back, reads the play as well as any defender in the AFL & uses his body extremely well one-on-one, with a reputation 2nd-to-none.....
Your turn sir.....
Watson has played 12 games and hasn't had a consistent run in the seniors...
your turn sir.
That's it......your hanging your hat on that? Come on LR, you can do better than that.....
12 senior games & countless VFL games over 3 years whereby he's shown no improvement in one-on-one contests (did you watch the VFL game against Casey Scorpions a couple of weeks ago?), is beyond hopeless when the ball hits the ground & doesn't read the play particularly well. I'm more than happy to have seen him get a game last night & like all Carlton players, hope he turns into a gun or even something more-than-reasonable will do - however, without the ball in his hands or at ground level.......yikes, he's got some work to do....and so far it hasn't improved over the 3 years he's been part of the AFL system. I shudder to think what someone like Drew Petrie or Robbie Tarrant might do to him.....
I reckon he has the tools to be a good footballer, its in his head that he aint right IMO. IF he could get his attitude and attack on the man and footy right, I think he could be ok. We saw some glimpses last year I reckon. But you're Brettie, has hasnt struck a blow in 3 years.
Geeze, Watson moved like an Iceberg. Surely gone either this year or next.
Rutten moves like one too.. but everyone has a hard-on for him
Ummm...Rutten is a proven, AA full-back, reads the play as well as any defender in the AFL & uses his body extremely well one-on-one, with a reputation 2nd-to-none.....
Your turn sir.....
One's around 30yo, the other's 20. Much of Rutten's strength develop with time. Can't remember how Rutten was at 20 though.
Henderson was just what we needed tonight. Rowe is a keeper if he can get his endurance working . Watson probably did more in the seniors than he does in the juniors. Simo well done, Judd same old magic, and Garlett getting more active along with Yarran. Much better efforts. Not pretty but better for certain. ;)
I just can't agree with you there Mantis, I reckon he is a stop-gap measure until a better option comes along. He plays the CHF position pretty well due to his years of experience in the role at Norwood but he has some limitations which will get exposed against the better teams.
I will say this though, he's a much better key forward option for us than Casboult purely on the back of his kicking for goal.
Apparently Rowe has just signed a 1 year contract for next season. So he is going to be around for a little while longer
I don't know about Casboult, who is a better mark, but a worse kick and who also tends to run under the ball too much. I can't see both of them there next year, but there is also Mitchell.
Most of us can identify some of Rowe's issues, especially when the ball hits the ground. However, if we can get him playing to his strengths, rather than his weaknesses, he does give us something. Ross Ditchburn also had weaknesses, but we played to his strengths and he was top goal kicker for us.
Rowe's signed a contract and Casboult has one and has shown quite a bit at times. Both will still be here and so they should be. Rowe seems alot more natural forward, and hope last night does alot for his confidence. Casboult's very best games have been we he can use his marking, and pack crashing abilties, up and around the ground as he did with his 10 good marks in the Esssendon game.
I don't get the negativity about last night's win. It was a good, solid win... one we had to and should have won. They threw everything at us and we had the answers. The twin talls up forward were both terrific. And when Eddie came on he showed some of his old dash.
Another big test is against a mob who like to beat us up... the Kangabies. Huge game.
Aside from Watson, who I'll keep my powder dry on for now, I think our major weaknesses, based on last night, are:
Armfield
Curnow - maybe OK as a tag but awful disposal
Carrazzo.
There are obviously others who could be criticised, but replace the above with three hard at it quality players and we could be looking a lot better.
Wow two games back off a long layoff and Carrazzo is a weakness that needs to be replaced? :o
Carrots looks a fair way off it, but he'll come back.
I don't get the negativity about last night's win. It was a good, solid win... one we had to and should have won. They threw everything at us and we had the answers. The twin talls up forward were both terrific. And when Eddie came on he showed some of his old dash.
Another big test is against a mob who like to beat us up... the Kangabies. Huge game.
Don't know if it's negativity Baggers - just nothing to get excited about. Saints have been a bogey team for us for ages. But they have also been on the slide now for 2-3 seasons, and are now officially garbage - their best players are past their use by date, and a few of them weren't even playing. Watters is a crap coach, they've won three games this year. This was desperation time for us. We simply had to win.
As for Norf, they are much better than the Saints, and will be a better test for us - I'm not confident at all.
Wow two games back off a long layoff and Carrazzo is a weakness that needs to be replaced? :o
I think it's the worst game I've seen Carratts play for 6 or 8 years, I rate him highly and I'll cut him some slack but he needs to lift big time on that effort.
Watching the replay. Surprised how well a couple of times Watson closed on opposition leads, once on Reiwoldt and got the spoil in. Like to see him lighten off a little to help his pace. With continuity and confidence he could well do okay. Need to keep playing him, being 20, to develop that confidence. It's helps our forward line alot if he succeeds.
I don't get the negativity about last night's win. It was a good, solid win... one we had to and should have won. They threw everything at us and we had the answers. The twin talls up forward were both terrific. And when Eddie came on he showed some of his old dash.
Another big test is against a mob who like to beat us up... the Kangabies. Huge game.
I'll just see how they go v. North before I get too optimistic - I've been burnt once too often in the past by getting too far ahead of the real situation.
I don't get the negativity about last night's win. It was a good, solid win... one we had to and should have won. They threw everything at us and we had the answers. The twin talls up forward were both terrific. And when Eddie came on he showed some of his old dash.
Another big test is against a mob who like to beat us up... the Kangabies. Huge game.
I'll just see how they go v. North before I get too optimistic - I've been burnt once too often in the past by getting too far ahead of the real situation.
IN THE BAG COOKIE!!
It will be a much harder and higher quality game, but still a win.
4-5 goals.
Aside from Watson, who I'll keep my powder dry on for now, I think our major weaknesses, based on last night, are:
Armfield
Curnow - maybe OK as a tag but awful disposal
Carrazzo.
There are obviously others who could be criticised, but replace the above with three hard at it quality players and we could be looking a lot better.
Wow two games back off a long layoff and Carrazzo is a weakness that needs to be replaced? :o
Carrazzo may well get back on song, let's hope he does. Some also like Curnow's and Army's work. But I still think we need at least three much higher quality players on our list and, Watson aside for the moment, based on last night's performance those are the three who I would be looking to replace in that 22. By season's end that could have changed.
N e 1 hear MM's presser after the game?
Was listening on radio on way home and they were asking why Watto hasnt been getting a game.......I nearly drove off the road when MM said that Watto's form ALL YEAR has been very encouraging but Jamo and hendo were doing the job for him. His form encouraging ??? :o
I cant take MM seriously any more after that. Cudo's to Watto for last nights effort. It wasnt awe inspiring but he did " a " job and passed. Hopefully he can keep it up and prove to everybody that he really does want to be a Blue. ;)
I don't get the negativity about last night's win. It was a good, solid win... one we had to and should have won. They threw everything at us and we had the answers. The twin talls up forward were both terrific. And when Eddie came on he showed some of his old dash.
Another big test is against a mob who like to beat us up... the Kangabies. Huge game.
I'll just see how they go v. North before I get too optimistic - I've been burnt once too often in the past by getting too far ahead of the real situation.
IN THE BAG COOKIE!!
It will be a much harder and higher quality game, but still a win.
4-5 goals.
Hope so mate! ;)
N e 1 hear MM's presser after the game?
Was listening on radio on way home and they were asking why Watto hasnt been getting a game.......I nearly drove off the road when MM said that Watto's form ALL YEAR has been very encouraging but Jamo and hendo were doing the job for him. His form encouraging ??? :o
I cant take MM seriously any more after that. Cudo's to Watto for last nights effort. It wasnt awe inspiring but he did " a " job and passed. Hopefully he can keep it up and prove to everybody that he really does want to be a Blue. ;)
MM just feeds the media whatever he likes... protects his boys from scrutiny (individuals that is) and sends the media off on wild goose chases and seldom gives anything away. I love it. He must laugh down his sleeve when he gets back to the rooms...
I don't get the negativity about last night's win. It was a good, solid win... one we had to and should have won. They threw everything at us and we had the answers. The twin talls up forward were both terrific. And when Eddie came on he showed some of his old dash.
Another big test is against a mob who like to beat us up... the Kangabies. Huge game.
I'll just see how they go v. North before I get too optimistic - I've been burnt once too often in the past by getting too far ahead of the real situation.
IN THE BAG COOKIE!!
It will be a much harder and higher quality game, but still a win.
4-5 goals.
Hope so mate! ;)
Double hope so. The Kangabies will be much more difficult than the Aints...
N e 1 hear MM's presser after the game?
Was listening on radio on way home and they were asking why Watto hasnt been getting a game.......I nearly drove off the road when MM said that Watto's form ALL YEAR has been very encouraging but Jamo and hendo were doing the job for him. His form encouraging ??? :o
I cant take MM seriously any more after that. Cudo's to Watto for last nights effort. It wasnt awe inspiring but he did " a " job and passed. Hopefully he can keep it up and prove to everybody that he really does want to be a Blue. ;)
MM just feeds the media whatever he likes... protects his boys from scrutiny (individuals that is) and sends the media off on wild goose chases and seldom gives anything away. I love it. He must laugh down his sleeve when he gets back to the rooms...
What's that Joh BP used to say - "Feeding the chooks"? ;D
Watson did OK last night, especially in the last quarter.
Thought I saw MM talking to him at 3 quarter time (I think) and Watson started punching the ball from his man with confidence, kicked to position well and had a couple of booming kick-ins to the middle of the ground towards Kreuzer.
"We are depending on you to make this structure work, Matthew", Mick must have said to him. ;D
N e 1 hear MM's presser after the game?
Was listening on radio on way home and they were asking why Watto hasnt been getting a game.......I nearly drove off the road when MM said that Watto's form ALL YEAR has been very encouraging but Jamo and hendo were doing the job for him. His form encouraging ??? :o
I cant take MM seriously any more after that. Cudo's to Watto for last nights effort. It wasnt awe inspiring but he did " a " job and passed. Hopefully he can keep it up and prove to everybody that he really does want to be a Blue. ;)
If he gets asked the question a smart coach isn't going to talk him down. He is a whipping boy and often plays alot better than everyone thinks. He has his knocks, intensity, pace etc.., which I have seen, but hasn't let anyone down yet when he's played seniors. Remember he's just a 20yo KP player. Would be such a massive bonus to our entire structure if he made it.
N e 1 hear MM's presser after the game?
Was listening on radio on way home and they were asking why Watto hasnt been getting a game.......I nearly drove off the road when MM said that Watto's form ALL YEAR has been very encouraging but Jamo and hendo were doing the job for him. His form encouraging ??? :o
I cant take MM seriously any more after that. Cudo's to Watto for last nights effort. It wasnt awe inspiring but he did " a " job and passed. Hopefully he can keep it up and prove to everybody that he really does want to be a Blue. ;)
If he gets asked the question a smart coach isn't going to talk him down. He is a whipping boy and often plays alot better than everyone thinks. He has his knocks, intensity, pace etc.., which I have seen, but hasn't let anyone down yet when he's played seniors. Remember he's just a 20yo KP player. Would be such a massive bonus to our entire structure if he made it.
Agree with this.
People criticize him like he's played 100 senior games. The only criterion for judging him now is potential. And IMO he has it. KPP that are ready to roll at his age are as rare as rocking horse s@#t. They take a while to come on.
There were many (on here and elsewhere) who thought for many years that Hawkins was a spud.
We need to play both Watson and Casboult.
Watson kicks out from Fullback to Centre Half Forward where Casboult marks it... not sure what happens after that though.... :-\
We need to play both Watson and Casboult.
Watson kicks out from Fullback to Centre Half Forward where Casboult marks it... not sure what happens after that though.... :-\
A glimpse of the future to look forward to perhaps Lods??
We need to play both Watson and Casboult.
Watson kicks out from Fullback to Centre Half Forward where Casboult marks it... not sure what happens after that though.... :-\
A glimpse of the future to look forward to perhaps Lods??
It's actually a tactic we used to use quite effectively...(I think it was back in the Madden days.)
The fullback (or player kicking out) would kick long to our ruckman in the middle.
Often he'd just knock it further forward and we were into attack from the kickout.
There was one monster kick by Watson last night.
We need to play both Watson and Casboult.
Watson kicks out from Fullback to Centre Half Forward where Casboult marks it... not sure what happens after that though.... :-\
A glimpse of the future to look forward to perhaps Lods??
It's actually a tactic we used to use quite effectively...(I think it was back in the Madden days.)
The fullback would kick long to our ruckman in the middle.
Often he'd just knock it further forward and we were into attack from the kickout.
There was one monster kick by Watson last night.
Jamison was using the same tactic early in the year. Usually once a game he would unload one from FB to the centre circle where it would be fisted further forward. Jamo hasn't been taking many kickouts of late though.
Walker, with his chip to himself and run seems to be the preferred option of kicking in lately.
Watching the replay. Surprised how well a couple of times Watson closed on opposition leads, once on Reiwoldt and got the spoil in.
Initially I was happy with that effort but Reiwoldt was on one leg and had lost a bit of dash at that point.
N e 1 hear MM's presser after the game?
Was listening on radio on way home and they were asking why Watto hasnt been getting a game.......I nearly drove off the road when MM said that Watto's form ALL YEAR has been very encouraging but Jamo and hendo were doing the job for him. His form encouraging ??? :o
I cant take MM seriously any more after that. Cudo's to Watto for last nights effort. It wasnt awe inspiring but he did " a " job and passed. Hopefully he can keep it up and prove to everybody that he really does want to be a Blue. ;)
Perhaps he meant that Watto's form was encouraging a delisting.
Did anyone notice how lacklustre the team song was sung after the game? Didn't look good. I think a big problem with this side is they have too many introverts and not enough that show genuine leadership qualities.
Or maybe they don't like hearing how $hite they are from their employer :-\
Or maybe 'cos it was just a win against a team that has won just 3 games this year. Final siren went & I didn't see any Carlton supporters jumping around hysterically in delight.....some sang the song, most of us just smiled in quiet satisfaction & made our way out of the stadium. It ended up being a solid win (in margin) against a lowly opponent. Job done - what sort of reaction did you expect from the players....a lap of honour, followed-up with champagne popping in the rooms!? Purlease.....
A popped another couple of ice cold Bintangs for the boys ;D
Watching the replay. Surprised how well a couple of times Watson closed on opposition leads, once on Reiwoldt and got the spoil in.
Initially I was happy with that effort but Reiwoldt was on one leg and had lost a bit of dash at that point.
Looked to be moving to that ball pretty quickly. If it was sore he'd have limped after it.
We can't be forever putting down our players efforts.
We need to play both Watson and Casboult.
Watson kicks out from Fullback to Centre Half Forward where Casboult marks it... not sure what happens after that though.... :-\
Well if he kicks it its a 50/50 chance to be a turnover.....
I think Casboult is in a bit of trouble to keep his place on the list, Rowe is a more accomplished KP player IMO and more capable of playing at both ends of the ground.
Casboult while probably shading Rowe in the ruck he doesnt do enough when played forward and being such a poor kick wont appeal to Malthouse IMO.....he best chance to remain on the list is if either warnock or Hampson are traded out...
N e 1 hear MM's presser after the game?
Was listening on radio on way home and they were asking why Watto hasnt been getting a game.......I nearly drove off the road when MM said that Watto's form ALL YEAR has been very encouraging but Jamo and hendo were doing the job for him. His form encouraging ??? :o
I cant take MM seriously any more after that. Cudo's to Watto for last nights effort. It wasnt awe inspiring but he did " a " job and passed. Hopefully he can keep it up and prove to everybody that he really does want to be a Blue. ;)
MM has to manage this lot and his media speak is on song.
Love the way he handles the morons behind the pen/microphone.
In regards to Watson, whats wrong with words of encouragement through the media !!
Would you want MM to tell the world on air Watson is a lazy, dumdass hack with a giant roost, imagine the backlash from his parents.
Although the attention might waiver from the current victim in Milne, after all he was booed by those nasty people in the Carlton cheer squad. :'( :'( :'(
@EB1
Elwood, I think we may be happy to keep Levi for another year, slowly cookin' on the back-burner. If he can improve his kicking I see a massive upside for us.
Watching the replay. Surprised how well a couple of times Watson closed on opposition leads, once on Reiwoldt and got the spoil in. Like to see him lighten off a little to help his pace. With continuity and confidence he could well do okay. Need to keep playing him, being 20, to develop that confidence. It's helps our forward line alot if he succeeds.
Yep - maybe he needs a coach to simply say "I believe in you" and give him some a decent opportunity, so that he believes in himself, 'cos I tell ya - that left leg of his....I could watch him kick all day, it's a beautiful thing.
You're right Gointocarlton, he needs to add some aggression to his game......he needs to let his opponent's know that they've played a game of footy......all goes hand-in-hand with some self-belief & a tick of confidence from his coach & teammates.
He did a spoil on Riewoldt last night on the outer wing (right in front of me) in the last quarter - it was a beautifully timed & directed spoil that went inboard to McInnes, who turned & passed to McLean for a goal. That goal was a direct result of Watson's excellent work. So there's definitely some potential there....but he needs to get a move on....
@EB1
Elwood, I think we may be happy to keep Levi for another year, slowly cookin' on the back-burner. If he can improve his kicking I see a massive upside for us.
+1.
I wouldn't necessarily put Rowe ahead of Levi long term on that one performance, although it was very encouraging from Rowe. Levi is just 22, as well as his good marking he works pretty hard defensively inside the forward 50. His kicking can be worked on, its not broken just needs more work. Worth a spot on the list IMO
Casboult while probably shading Rowe in the ruck he doesnt do enough when played forward and being such a poor kick wont appeal to Malthouse IMO.....he best chance to remain on the list is if either warnock or Hampson are traded out...
Problem is EB1, I reckon both Casboult & Rowe are VERY ordinary in the ruck, I don't think either of them should be pinch-hitting in the ruck, as the team suffers immeasurably when they do.
Casboult while probably shading Rowe in the ruck he doesnt do enough when played forward and being such a poor kick wont appeal to Malthouse IMO.....he best chance to remain on the list is if either warnock or Hampson are traded out...
Problem is EB1, I reckon both Casboult & Rowe are VERY ordinary in the ruck, I don't think either of them should be pinch-hitting in the ruck, as the team suffers immeasurably when they do.
Are they any worse than Leigh Brown was at the Pies?.
I reckon thats the benchmark as far as the coach is concerned.
Casboult while probably shading Rowe in the ruck he doesnt do enough when played forward and being such a poor kick wont appeal to Malthouse IMO.....he best chance to remain on the list is if either warnock or Hampson are traded out...
Problem is EB1, I reckon both Casboult & Rowe are VERY ordinary in the ruck, I don't think either of them should be pinch-hitting in the ruck, as the team suffers immeasurably when they do.
I thought they have both been really competitive in the ruck. I think Kruze is better when he rucks 80% of the time, hence we need Rowe or Casboult to pinch hit for 5-7 min a quar to give Matty a spell. Its not in our best interests IMHO to play 2 genuine ruckman. Its pretty clear
Casboult while probably shading Rowe in the ruck he doesnt do enough when played forward and being such a poor kick wont appeal to Malthouse IMO.....he best chance to remain on the list is if either warnock or Hampson are traded out...
Problem is EB1, I reckon both Casboult & Rowe are VERY ordinary in the ruck, I don't think either of them should be pinch-hitting in the ruck, as the team suffers immeasurably when they do.
I thought Rowe did ok last night in the ruck. Admitily I haven't seen the replay so will need to have a better look.
Anybody else notice that 70% of the post match questions came from Rohan Connolly?
:)
Overall was quite pleased with the win. I know we didn't play a top class team but you can only beat who is front of you and thought we did what we needed to do.
Was rapped to see that little maggot Milne try his usual side step tricks that always seem to work against us backfire this time around!
Touhy was wide awake to it......the same needs to apply this week against Harvey. I wonder if Touhy will get him as well?
Next week will be a better test. North are not a top class team but we have struggled against them and on their day can test any side. Need to be on from the start to get the win.
Was rapped to see that little maggot Milne try his usual side step tricks that always seem to work against us backfire this time around!
Touhy was wide awake to it......the same needs to apply this week against Harvey. I wonder if Touhy will get him as well?
good 2c from 2E
Was rapped to see that little maggot Milne try his usual side step tricks that always seem to work against us backfire this time around!
Touhy was wide awake to it......the same needs to apply this week against Harvey. I wonder if Touhy will get him as well?
good 2c from 2E
I see what you did there RR..... :)
@EB1
Elwood, I think we may be happy to keep Levi for another year, slowly cookin' on the back-burner. If he can improve his kicking I see a massive upside for us.
+1.
I wouldn't necessarily put Rowe ahead of Levi long term on that one performance, although it was very encouraging from Rowe. Levi is just 22, as well as his good marking he works pretty hard defensively inside the forward 50. His kicking can be worked on, its not broken just needs more work. Worth a spot on the list IMO
Problem with his kicking is it isnt even close to Rowe's.....its a mile away IMO, poor ball drop and poor action. I cant think of many players who are woeful kicks that become good ones...Stewart Lowe is the only one I can think of and his kicking action even when bad was way better than Casboults.
I dont mind keeping him on the list but I'm not so sure if MM will have the patience...
N e 1 hear MM's presser after the game?
Was listening on radio on way home and they were asking why Watto hasnt been getting a game.......I nearly drove off the road when MM said that Watto's form ALL YEAR has been very encouraging but Jamo and hendo were doing the job for him. His form encouraging ??? :o
I cant take MM seriously any more after that. Cudo's to Watto for last nights effort. It wasnt awe inspiring but he did " a " job and passed. Hopefully he can keep it up and prove to everybody that he really does want to be a Blue. ;)
MM just feeds the media whatever he likes... protects his boys from scrutiny (individuals that is) and sends the media off on wild goose chases and seldom gives anything away. I love it. He must laugh down his sleeve when he gets back to the rooms...
What's that Joh BP used to say - "Feeding the chooks"? ;D
COOKIE good friend, I was thinking of Joh when I wrote the above. Good pick-up. Yep, I reckon that is what MM does... goes to the Media Conference to 'feed the chooks'... :)
N e 1 hear MM's presser after the game?
Was listening on radio on way home and they were asking why Watto hasnt been getting a game.......I nearly drove off the road when MM said that Watto's form ALL YEAR has been very encouraging but Jamo and hendo were doing the job for him. His form encouraging ??? :o
I cant take MM seriously any more after that. Cudo's to Watto for last nights effort. It wasnt awe inspiring but he did " a " job and passed. Hopefully he can keep it up and prove to everybody that he really does want to be a Blue. ;)
MM just feeds the media whatever he likes... protects his boys from scrutiny (individuals that is) and sends the media off on wild goose chases and seldom gives anything away. I love it. He must laugh down his sleeve when he gets back to the rooms...
What's that Joh BP used to say - "Feeding the chooks"? ;D
COOKIE good friend, I was thinking of Joh when I wrote the above. Good pick-up. Yep, I reckon that is what MM does... goes to the Media Conference to 'feed the chooks'... :)
Mick's Press conference ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7l2doxjnn3Y
Just noticed your new avatar, LODS... Caligula :o :o :o... just about as far as you can get from Mr. Bean :)
Just noticed your new avatar, LODS... Caligula :o :o :o... just about as far as you can get from Mr. Bean :)
The mad moderator.
He was a moderator on one of our older Forums ;) ;D
Aside from Watson, who I'll keep my powder dry on for now, I think our major weaknesses, based on last night, are:
Armfield
Curnow - maybe OK as a tag but awful disposal
Carrazzo.
There are obviously others who could be criticised, but replace the above with three hard at it quality players and we could be looking a lot better.
Wow two games back off a long layoff and Carrazzo is a weakness that needs to be replaced? :o
Carrazzo may well get back on song, let's hope he does. Some also like Curnow's and Army's work. But I still think we need at least three much higher quality players on our list and, Watson aside for the moment, based on last night's performance those are the three who I would be looking to replace in that 22. By season's end that could have changed.
I think Carrazzo has played at a high level for many years, far more than the other two who have never reached great heights. It's like Judd putting in a couple of howlers and saying he should be replaced on his last two performances.
The tragedy about our win against "Saints Footy" is that Judd was Carlton's best player again......
No player is coming through as the outstanding leader that can bring the side along with him.... :-\ :-\ :-\
Casboult while probably shading Rowe in the ruck he doesnt do enough when played forward and being such a poor kick wont appeal to Malthouse IMO.....he best chance to remain on the list is if either warnock or Hampson are traded out...
Problem is EB1, I reckon both Casboult & Rowe are VERY ordinary in the ruck, I don't think either of them should be pinch-hitting in the ruck, as the team suffers immeasurably when they do.
Much netter though than having a ruckman hold down the key forward post due to wanting a 2nd ruck. I'll sacrifice a few taps to have a genuine forward. You can always rove to the opposition ruck . Like it or not, one ruck and a pinch-hitter provides our best balance. Only difference between Rowe and Casboult, beside kicking from close range (Casboult bombs just nicely from outside 50) is Rowe is a better player close to goal. Casboult, with his marking, plays better up and around the ground, not as much close to goal.
Casboult while probably shading Rowe in the ruck he doesnt do enough when played forward and being such a poor kick wont appeal to Malthouse IMO.....he best chance to remain on the list is if either warnock or Hampson are traded out...
Problem is EB1, I reckon both Casboult & Rowe are VERY ordinary in the ruck, I don't think either of them should be pinch-hitting in the ruck, as the team suffers immeasurably when they do.
Without doubt that was Rowe's best game for the club, while he wasn't any better than Casboult in terms of tap work he looked better around the ground and used the ball better. That was a full on game and Rowe seemed to run it out quite well. Another major difference was that Rowe made himself dangerous inside F50, not on the wing or HBF.
I think MM would be very, very please, but the Aints are not the best team to measure this against. Having said that Casboult played against some fairly weak opposition and still did the bulk of his work on or around the wing.
We should also have to keep in mind Rowe played that way without Waite in the side, but Hendo certainly made up for it.
Undoubtedly the best dedicated forward pair remains Waite with Hendo, but only if Watson could go up a level. It will be interesting to see what happens if Kreuzer doesn't come up after getting that high corky.
Watson;
- This guy confuses me, he certainly plays better in the AFL than the VFL, but again the Aints with one limping KPF and a bunch of ruckmen filling in probably isn't a good indicator.
- But his decision making was much better, and how good it was to have a bloke who punched position not just in any old direction! MM must think he has the next Presti.
- If he learns to work harder when we have the ball, does less goal keeping, he will find himself on the end of some space that lets him use that left foot. He hasn't worked out yet that teams cannot let him run free to the wing or HF line, they will have to go with him!
- Also his size and defensive contests and marking reduces the amount of ground the rucks have to cover.
Just noticed your new avatar, LODS... Caligula :o :o :o... just about as far as you can get from Mr. Bean :)
One particularly good scene in that movie ;).....oops, I've said too much :D
Just noticed your new avatar, LODS... Caligula :o :o :o... just about as far as you can get from Mr. Bean :)
One particularly good scene in that movie ;).....oops, I've said too much :D
What ?.......Mr Bean ?
;)
The tragedy about our win against "Saints Footy" is that Judd was Carlton's best player again......
No player is coming through as the outstanding leader that can bring the side along with him.... :-\ :-\ :-\
Personally I think our best leader coming through is Lachie Henderson.
If I had a choice to re pick our captain, he'd be it. He's a bit more extroverted, He speaks well, but most of all is a great onfield leader. Has rarely has put a foot wrong this year.
Quickly becoming my favourite, well one of them anyway. ;)
The tragedy about our win against "Saints Footy" is that Judd was Carlton's best player again......
No player is coming through as the outstanding leader that can bring the side along with him.... :-\ :-\ :-\
Personally I think our best leader coming through is Lachie Henderson.
If I had a choice to re pick our captain, he'd be it. He's a bit more extroverted, He speaks well, but most of all is a great onfield leader. Has rarely has put a foot wrong this year.
Quickly becoming my favourite, well one of them anyway. ;)
Wouldn't argue with you on this one. he could be our Jono Brown. Wouldn't that be great.
I really like Cachia. Reckon he will grow into a significant contributer in our midfield. I think he is our long term replacement for Carrots, in that he gets lots of the ball, makes good decisions, can stop an opponent and is pretty good at hurting them the other way. Best part, is he was unselfish in dishing off a goal to Garlett when he had every right to go back and kick from about 35-40 out on Saturday night.
Cant wait till they are firing on all cylinders.
Did anyone notice that Lucas went into defensive fifty to free up Simpson to give us a bit more run and spread just after half time?
I think he is quite underated Lucas and might actually be a really good outside player for us in future. We have an aging list of mids, and I was getting a bit worried about it earlier this year, but some of these guys are kicking on for us and becoming contributers. Hopefully they can all go up a level and start to look like genuine A graders.
Also, Im not sure about how everyone else saw the game, but I thought Judd was not as prominent as everyone else has put him in being our "clearly" best player. I just thought he was one of many that did well on the day.
@Thry
Agree re. Lucas, I'm also more optimistic about him. He is showing more and more and will turn out OK for us I think. He is also less panicky now and I think is toughening up a bit.
Cachia is a great prospect also - posted earlier about him and he looks like someone we will get a few good years from.
Also, Im not sure about how everyone else saw the game, but I thought Judd was not as prominent as everyone else has put him in being our "clearly" best player. I just thought he was one of many that did well on the day.
Judd was head & shoulders above every other player on the ground......by a very long way, no question.
In terms of defensive setup and run, I think McInnes has been the biggest plus over the last couple of weeks. In my opinion he is capable of making as much impact on the game as Walker or Jammo.
Poor Judd, he gets judged so harshly. I think he was clearly BOG yet people question if he is still up to it or if he had an impact. He still draws two and sometimes three opposition players, and most of them struggle to keep up with him.
I know Carrazzo was sub'd, but it was partly Carrazzo's presence at stoppages that let Judd move a bit more outside and the benefit was substantial.
Yep, Juddy was the man clearly on Sat night. Was there with my Saints supporting friend (who hates Milne) and he was commenting that Judd can still do things that precious few others can eg that pick up after a crap h-ball from Yazz then a left foot curl to Garlett's advantage in front of goal.
@Thry
Agree re. Lucas, I'm also more optimistic about him. He is showing more and more and will turn out OK for us I think. He is also less panicky now and I think is toughening up a bit.
Cachia is a great prospect also - posted earlier about him and he looks like someone we will get a few good years from.
Particularly pleasing to see Lucas get into some of their blokes - he showed some mongrel and didn't shirk the issue. I think we are all starting to come around in regards to Lucas... with good reason, he continues to improve... just gotta put 4 quarters together now.
The tragedy about our win against "Saints Footy" is that Judd was Carlton's best player again......
No player is coming through as the outstanding leader that can bring the side along with him.... :-\ :-\ :-\
Personally I think our best leader coming through is Lachie Henderson.
If I had a choice to re pick our captain, he'd be it. He's a bit more extroverted, He speaks well, but most of all is a great onfield leader. Has rarely has put a foot wrong this year.
Quickly becoming my favourite, well one of them anyway. ;)
Wouldn't argue with you on this one. he could be our Jono Brown. Wouldn't that be great.
You know I was thinking similarly watching the replay. Jonathan Brown I'm not sure but Jordan Roughhead maybe. He's effective back and forward and you can see him pitching in for 5 goals in some games and then going back and shutting down a running forward. He's gone past Waite now as our most important KPP.
@Thry
Agree re. Lucas, I'm also more optimistic about him. He is showing more and more and will turn out OK for us I think. He is also less panicky now and I think is toughening up a bit.
Cachia is a great prospect also - posted earlier about him and he looks like someone we will get a few good years from.
Particularly pleasing to see Lucas get into some of their blokes - he showed some mongrel and didn't shirk the issue. I think we are all starting to come around in regards to Lucas... with good reason, he continues to improve... just gotta put 4 quarters together now.
Thought that was one of Lucas's best games in the Navy Blue. If that's a taste of the upside then it's huge.
Hooray !
We beat the 16th team...... :)
Amen!
Glad to have the 4 points.
Now to stick it to Norf.
Just finished watching the replay.
Hendo was brilliant throughout, has come of age.
Judd played a sensational game.
Scotland very solid.
Cachia growing in status. Love his work with ball in hand.
Rowe extrmeley strong frame and sticks his marks
Murphy just so so.
Gibbs meh.
Yarran massive concerns.
Carrazzo just a little rusty TBH from what I'd read I thought he'd be awful.
Kreuzer non event overhead.
McInnes no frills defender really like him.
Betts doesn't seem to be half as dangerous as he was.
Watson good decision maker and executor but needs a shot of intensity.
What's up with D Armfield?
I thought he was pacey (and clearly he thinks he is!) but he is getting caught with the ball consistently. He's slipping on the dodgy Etihad turf.
Like Robbo... We don't doubt his endeavour, but nothing much is coming from it
The tragedy about our win against "Saints Footy" is that Judd was Carlton's best player again......
No player is coming through as the outstanding leader that can bring the side along with him.... :-\ :-\ :-\
Personally I think our best leader coming through is Lachie Henderson.
If I had a choice to re pick our captain, he'd be it. He's a bit more extroverted, He speaks well, but most of all is a great onfield leader. Has rarely has put a foot wrong this year.
Quickly becoming my favourite, well one of them anyway. ;)
Wouldn't argue with you on this one. he could be our Jono Brown. Wouldn't that be great.
You know I was thinking similarly watching the replay. Jonathan Brown I'm not sure but Jordan Roughhead maybe. He's effective back and forward and you can see him pitching in for 5 goals in some games and then going back and shutting down a running forward. He's gone past Waite now as our most important KPP.
Isn't Jordan a ruckman? I would compare Lachie to the Jarryd kind although the Hawthorn swingman is still well ahead of Lachie I would think.
Only got to watch the replay last night, a good win in the end.
How good was Juddy? I would hate to think where we would be without him, we need some more good clearance players, coz when Juddy goes ........
The other highlight for me were to 2 tall forwards, it was great to see Hendo go forward and do well, and Rowe came in and made a good contribution as well. Rowe deserves more opportunities I reckon, he's not a world beater but plays his role well.
I think what Rowe showed was that if you play a slightly undersized defender on him he will be able to take advantage. Not a world beater but can definitely have a significant impact.
Isn't Jordan a ruckman? I would compare Lachie to the Jarryd kind although the Hawthorn swingman is still well ahead of Lachie I would think.
Whichever the Roughhead version is playing at Hawthorn and little do I care past that point. Henderson (as in Carlton's Henderson as distinct from Steve Henderson who used to play Tennis at the Chelsea Tennis club), is growing in confidence and could become just as valuable to us. I think Waite going out is not as big an issue as it was and hopefully if both Carlton's Henderson and Waite can play together along with one of Rowe or Casboult in the forward line it has the makings of a solid spine.
I think what Rowe showed was that if you play a slightly undersized defender on him he will be able to take advantage. Not a world beater but can definitely have a significant impact.
At 198cm there wouldn't be too many defenders taller than him!! ;)
Have been watching McInnes slowly improving at the Bullants. If he can get back to full fitness, we're looking good. Watson is not as slow as some may think. He lacks confidence. That appears to change once he's amongst the more senior group.
Have been watching McInnes slowly improving at the Bullants. If he can get back to full fitness, we're looking good. Watson is not as slow as some may think. He lacks confidence. That appears to change once he's amongst the more senior group.
I have to say he looks more interested when playing seniors....
Watson is a real riddle... he has shown something in his AFL games, yet i've watched him on TV a few times this year in the VFL and he always seems to get goals kicked on him. He is slow, yet his kicking is above average.
I don't know what to do with him!
I just watched the replay and I loved one of the umpires telling Montagna that he was being tagged and to get over it. :)
Curnow did a pretty good job on Montagna and I think that he is one player that has surprised me with his ongoing improvement. I thought that he would have limited impact after his first year and, while his shoulder injury was a set back, his game has developed to the point where he is clearly in our best 22.
I think what Rowe showed was that if you play a slightly undersized defender on him he will be able to take advantage. Not a world beater but can definitely have a significant impact.
Carrots....Rowes problems for me are when he doesnt have the ball, chasing, manning up his defender and his endurance for doing this part of the game etc.....he leads well, is very strong in the air one on one and can take the odd mark where he drifts in front of a pack and as you said being much taller than most defenders has a big advantage. He is also probably the best kick for goal out of our talls bar Henderson, he kicks the ones you expect him to kick and usually doesnt miss the harder ones by a long way either.
I think Malthouse will want greater effort from him though on not allowing his man freedom to run down the ground....I think I noticed Stanley, Roberton and Gwilt who all took turns on him run down the ground and he didnt make much effort to chase or pick them up.
He is very much in the early version of Justin Westhoff mode....great on the offensive side but zero return on being accountable...Westhoff got slaughtered by Matthew Scarlett in a GF due to his lazy defensive work and it nearly finished his career. Port then played him on the ball and made him learn to be accountable, chase, smother and he has become a better player in this area and is now a decent AFL player.
I think Rowe has to learn this side of the game and quickly to retain his place in the team and on the list...MM wont put up with players who are not accountable unless they are brilliant at what they do and Rowe is never going to be brilliant. The opportunity is there as he has another year to improve but needs to apply himself and work harder than he is... ..he has been ill of course and the extra year he has been given is to cut some slack his way IMO but is still a 50/50 long term player IMO.
Saying all that I am a fan of his and hope the coach and MC give him plenty of opportunities...
Fair points EB but Rowe is a first year player. I expect that his ability to apply forward pressure and his versatility will improve as he becomes more attuned to the pace and requirements of AFL footy. If he doesn't, his career will be short-lived.
Apart from his ability to stretch the defence and pinch hit in the ruck, his disposal and willingness to get physical are attributes we desperately need.