Sunday Aug 5th,
1.10 PM
Etihad Stadium
So, my fellow thought leaders.
No Charlie, playing against my favourite non CFC team at the moment.
GWS by 6 goals.
And I believe Cameron is back from suspension.
Make that 8 goals.
Be interesting Cripps vs Ward......Hawks play Bombers so I have Mitchell down for another 3 votes, we need Cripps to fire up and beat Ward and get some votes....
Be interesting Cripps vs Ward......Hawks play Bombers so I have Mitchell down for another 3 votes, we need Cripps to fire up and beat Ward and get some votes....
Can't see Essendon stopping Mitchell: they couldn't even stop us!
Can't see Essendon stopping Mitchell: they couldn't even stop us!
After they played us in rnd 8, they were 2-6. Now they they are 10-8 having beaten Geel, GWS, Bris, Wet Toast, Norf, GC, Freo and Syd. They may not have beat us but there's only one in that list we've beaten. If they make the 8, I will spew up.
And I believe Cameron is back from suspension.
Make that 8 goals.
The bloke hasn't played for 5 weeks....
Blues by 14.
The bloke hasn't played for 5 weeks....
Blues by 14.
Reckon you might have your expansion clubs mixed up, flyboy old chum.
Cameron will be chomping at the bit to make up for lost time and make it up to his team mates. Plus Greene getting good game time. Add to that Conligio, Ward (serious man love here), Shiel, Kelly, Davis, Himmelberg, Tomlinson, Lobb, Whitfield, Taranto (more man love), Langdon........shall I continue ?
Did I also mention they're in good form, and have finally added some toughness to the silk ?
Sorry, but I can't see us getting close.
The bloke hasn't played for 5 weeks....
Blues by 14.
Think with Charlie out and a good player like Ward on Cripps we may struggle, then we have the issue of Sheil and Kelly , one will get Ed hopefully but the other
will run amok probably with no one on them given our previous history of manning players up.
Another fun matchup should be GWS back pocket Heath Shaw on our new superstar pocket rocket Cam Polson....I expect our man to dominate with 5-6 possessions leaving Shaw struggling with 30 plus....
Yep, on paper this mob are in the top couple of sides, if we can match them for a while and not get blown away we will have done a fair job considering. If they come with a serious attitude it could get messy, they are simply too good across the park.
GWS are far more fickle on the park than CFC.
Let's see how the cards fall...
It's not as if Charlie has been match winning thus far?
Young Kerr doesn't shy away from a contest...
That said, if Charlie is out, and Levi misses out, the latter will be goneski come season's end.
Watching the highlights, Kerr took some smashing marks and kicked well on Saturday. No mug.
I'd be happy to keep it under 72 points.
Another fun matchup should be GWS back pocket Heath Shaw on our new superstar pocket rocket Cam Polson....I expect our man to dominate with 5-6 possessions leaving Shaw struggling with 30 plus....
;D ;D
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/curnow-suspended-cripps-cleared-20180730-p4zuib.html
Cripps cleared.
Week off might do Charlie good, he looked tired against GWS, so I hope we do not challenge the penalty!
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/curnow-suspended-cripps-cleared-20180730-p4zuib.html
Cripps cleared.
Looked similar to the one Nic Nat got rubbed out for.
Didn't drive him.
Watching the highlights, Kerr took some smashing marks and kicked well on Saturday. No mug.
Kerr has the goods IMO and I'd be playing him ahead of Levi, like the way Kerr likes to crash packs and throw his weight around too...
If he can get some consistency with his kicking he will impact games..
Kerr has the goods IMO and I'd be playing him ahead of Levi, like the way Kerr likes to crash packs and throw his weight around too...
If he can get some consistency with his kicking he will impact games..
Agree
I don't think we can play Levi and McKay in the same lineup either and given where we are at, id rather play McKay.
Didn't drive him.
Yep, the commentary team dismissed any possible charges.
Agree
I don't think we can play Levi and McKay in the same lineup either and given where we are at, id rather play McKay.
I think it's more the fact that Kerr presently looks to offer more....
Levi, strangely, has never been one to throw his weight around....
Yep, the commentary team dismissed any possible charges.
I haven't heard of one commentator saying Nic Nat should have been rubbed out.
I haven't heard of one commentator saying Nic Nat should have been rubbed out.
You expect consistency? ???
So we are to challenge Charlie's suspension.
Agree
I don't think we can play Levi and McKay in the same lineup either and given where we are at, id rather play McKay.
x2...Mckay, Charlie and Kerr is the future.....Levi is surplus to requirements....
x2...Mckay, Charlie and Kerr is the future.....Levi is surplus to requirements....
Hence why we should have traded him when he had value.
Hence why we should have traded him when he had value.
There's no one saying we didn't try.
So we are to challenge Charlie's suspension.
Good. You can see very clearly that Charlie's forearm catches the top of May's shoulder and slips up to his thick head.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/live-afl-round-19-gold-coast-suns-v-carlton-live-scores-live-stream-updates-video-live-blog/news-story/6c7f7d4217bb7f89a79fa67dd90d2747
Dermie agrees.
Reckons if we are letting go blokes whacking people in the small of the back, then this should get a pass.
Charlie's charge downgraded, fine, free to play this week. Justice done.
Charlie's charge downgraded, fine, free to play this week. Justice done.
Go Blues
For everyone who was having a whinge about us not appealing everything at the tribunal, this is the reason why.
We have kept our powder dry for when it counts, and we got the result that was fair.
If you go bleating about everything that may or may not be a fair result, sooner or later you will end up with an unfair result because you are a serial pest.
For everyone who was having a whinge about us not appealing everything at the tribunal, this is the reason why.
We have kept our powder dry for when it counts, and we got the result that was fair.
If you go bleating about everything that may or may not be a fair result, sooner or later you will end up with an unfair result because you are a serial pest.
Rubbish.
You "bleat" when there is a clear and obvious error - as there was with the Curnow borthers (as the AFL essentially admitted by changing the rules....)
Rubbish.
You "bleat" when there is a clear and obvious error - as there was with the Curnow borthers (as the AFL essentially admitted by changing the rules....)
Sometimes you need to garner sympathy first.
Remember, you don't ask a question you don't already know the answer to!
In the case of the Curnows, there was no way that the appeal was going to be overturned so we didnt ask the question. Saves everyone from looking stupid.
And yet, sometimes, even if you do know an outcome you need to make some noise to let the market place know you're not going to be pushed around.....
After May got off for his intentional, forceful umpire push, every one knew the Curnow touches shouldn't stand as (relatively) they were entirely innocuous....
And yet, sometimes, even if you do know an outcome you need to make some noise to let the market place know you're not going to be pushed around.....
After May got off for his intentional, forceful umpire push, every one knew the Curnow touches shouldn't stand as (relatively) they were entirely innocuous....
The difference between a captain remonstrating with an umpire and displaying something to an umpire is never going to be seen in the same light as joe average from another team. The whole conversation was around respecting the umpires, and everyone knows that if anyone has license to speak to an umpire in team sport, its the CAPTAIN (Steve May).
I understand what you are trying to say, but you are viewing things through a navy blue lens and also inferring some sort of push and shove that may be more about perception than reality.
We are not that big a pushover even though that's how it might appear to us, the outside world. When you argue a point the tribunal has up until recently stated that precendence is NOT taken into account (rightly or wrongly) and any appeal needs to be done on its merits and viewed with respect to the letter of the law not based on gut feeling of the outcome you desire. Perhaps we could have argued Charlie's case back then, and I think you will find that we probably had already sounded it out, and been privately shutdown to save the public embarrassment due to the state of play.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-08-02/song-the-only-problem-as-new-blue-tunes-up#/
Carlton
Followers
10 Harry McKay
3 Marc Murphy
35 Ed Curnow
FB
22 Caleb Marchbank
17 Sam Rowe
39 Dale Thomas
HB
13 Jed Lamb
23 Jacob Weitering
6 Kade Simpson
C
4 Lochie O'Brien
9 Patrick Cripps
33 Jarrod Pickett
HF
16 Darcy Lang
30 Charlie Curnow
5 Sam Petrevski-Seton
FF
2 Paddy Dow
7 Matthew Kennedy
46 Matthew Wright
Interchange From*
1 Jack Silvagni
38 Ciaran Byrne
27 Matthew Lobbe
24 Cameron O'Shea
32 Nick Graham
36 Pat Kerr
11 Sam Kerridge
29 Cameron Polson
Why do they bother to put them in positions!!!
Weitering must still be in doubt, that was one hit.
Four to miss: O'Shea, Graham, Kerr and Weitering ?
Greater Western Sydney will also be without Tim Taranto (knee) and Dylan Shiel (ankle) for Sunday's match against Carlton.
Greater Western Sydney will also be without Tim Taranto (knee) and Dylan Shiel (ankle) for Sunday's match against Carlton.
Disappointing they will miss the opportunity to audition for us.
Our back 6 will need to keep their eyes peeled for Mr "I've been reported 11 times", loose cannon Cameron.
It's the most settled we've been all season. Hopefully we won't make a change.
Disappointing they will miss the opportunity to audition for us.
I've seen enough of both to know that 1 more game wouldn't change anything.
I'd take them both already.
Our back 6 will need to keep their eyes peeled for Mr "I've been reported 11 times", loose cannon Cameron.
A Loose cannon might get a massive offer to join GC and might keep his powder dry for the rest of the season...
A Loose cannon might get a massive offer to join GC and might keep his powder dry for the rest of the season...
Contracted to the end of 2020 supposedly. I know, I know, contracts don't mean much etc..............
CARLTON
B: Caleb Marchbank, Sam Rowe, Dale Thomas
HB: Jed Lamb, Jacob Weitering, Kade Simpson
C: Lochie O'Brien, Patrick Cripps, Jarrod Pickett
HF: Darcy Lang, Charlie Curnow, Sam Petrevski-Seton
F: Paddy Dow, Matthew Kennedy, Matthew Wright
R: Harry McKay, Marc Murphy, Ed Curnow
Int: Jack Silvagni, Ciaran Byrne, Matthew Lobbe, Cameron O'Shea, Nick Graham, Pat Kerr, Sam Kerridge, Cameron Polson (Four to be omitted)
IN: Cameron O'Shea, Nick Graham, Pat Kerr, Sam Kerridge
Interesting to now just how fit Weitering is. If he isn't 100%, I wouldn't play him, but who to bring in? O'Shea? Not my preference.
GWS GIANTS
B: Heath Shaw, Phil Davis, Sam Taylor
HB: Lachie Whitfield, Nick Haynes, Adam Tomlinson
C: Matt de Boer, Stephen Coniglio, Adam Kennedy
HF: Brett Deledio, Jeremy Cameron, Josh Kelly
F: Zac Langdon, Rory Lobb, Harry Himmelberg
R: Dawson Simpson, Jacob Hopper, Callan Ward
Int: Daniel Lloyd, Brent Daniels, Aiden Bonar, Toby Greene, Matt Buntine, Harry Perryman, Isaac Cumming, Lachlan Keeffe (Four to be omitted)
IN: Matt de Boer, Jeremy Cameron, Daniel Lloyd, Aiden Bonar, Harry Perryman, Isaac Cumming, Lachlan Keeffe
OUT: Sam J. Reid (Injured), Tim Taranto (Injured), Dylan Shiel (Injured)
NEW: Aiden Bonar
In the country leagues there is a limit to how many weeks that you can miss through suspension and then you are out for life. Does that apply in AFL?
In the country leagues there is a limit to how many weeks that you can miss through suspension and then you are out for life. Does that apply in AFL?
Sort of, it's supposed to be football wide, but i believe they have changed the AFL penalties and limits!
Contracted to the end of 2020 supposedly. I know, I know, contracts don't mean much etc..............
Pick 3 might do it.
Ironically, imagine lynch signed with gws as a free agent only for gws to then trade Cameron to them for the compensation pick???
????
Our back 6 will need to keep their eyes peeled for Mr "I've been reported 11 times", loose cannon Cameron.
4 matches to finals......I'd have thought he'd be playing it pretty carefully.
There must be some big worries around SpecialK, there seems a bit more to this than is being reported.
I won't be at all surprised to find he's going to have an extended break.
Big outs for GWS, either that or they are not taking us seriously, Taranto and Shiel are types the normally hurt us. Not surprised they are being kept away from Cripps a few weeks out from finals, lots of reports of players being very sore the week after they play against the big lug. The press go on about the toll on his body, but they forget he inflicts some pain on opponents as well!
There must be some big worries around SpecialK, there seems a bit more to this than is being reported.
I won't be at all surprised to find he's going to have an extended break.
Big outs for GWS, either that or they are not taking us seriously, Taranto and Shiel are types the normally hurt us. Not surprised they are being kept away from Cripps a few weeks out from finals, lots of reports of players being very sore the week after they play against the big lug. The press go on about the toll on his body, but they forget he inflicts some pain on opponents as well!
That could be the case, or we could simply be stating that its not worthwhile pushing Kreuzer to play in a year where we are gong to finish bottom or second last with the only part of that remaining to be whether or not Lobbe can continue rucking for the year.
We are pretty much out of alternatives.
Blues by 8.
Of those named on the bench you'd think that Lobbe, Silvagni and Byrne are certain to play which makes for one possible change.
Kerridge or Graham for Polson would be my best guess but we might go in unchanged.
They have some very handy outs and we go well against them, a win would surprise but not shock.
Of those named on the bench you'd think that Lobbe, Silvagni and Byrne are certain to play which makes for one possible change.
Kerridge or Graham for Polson would be my best guess but we might go in unchanged.
They have some very handy outs and we go well against them, a win would surprise but not shock.
I don't know that we go so well against them apart from our 1 point win last year. Prior to that, we lost 3 games by around 10 goals each time.
Patrick Keane
@AFL_PKeane
now
Rd20 Final Sunday Teams
Carlton v GWS Giants
J Weitering withdrawn (injured). Byrne into named on-field 18.
Interchange – Silvagni, Polson, Lobbe, O’Shea.
Emergencies – Graham, Kerr, Kerridge, Casboult.
O'Shea in for Weitering.
I don't know that we go so well against them apart from our 1 point win last year. Prior to that, we lost 3 games by around 10 goals each time.
It's probably just wishful thinking on my part, and now it's O'Shea in for Weitering so my confidence has been dampened a bit.
There must be some big worries around SpecialK, there seems a bit more to this than is being reported.
I won't be at all surprised to find he's going to have an extended break.
Big outs for GWS, either that or they are not taking us seriously, Taranto and Shiel are types the normally hurt us. Not surprised they are being kept away from Cripps a few weeks out from finals, lots of reports of players being very sore the week after they play against the big lug. The press go on about the toll on his body, but they forget he inflicts some pain on opponents as well!
Kreuzer seemed to be training normally and well in the footage on the club website,
It's probably just wishful thinking on my part, and now it's O'Shea in for Weitering so my confidence has been dampened a bit.
I'd have preferred to give Schumacher a go. Rowe and Marchbank can play the 2 key defensive posts. Just see no point picking O'Shea.
I guess we just need another bigger body to go with Rowe and Marchbank. GWS have Cameron, Lobbe, Himmelberg, Landon so they have a lot of tall options.
I agree that we would give Schumacher a run before the season ends.
I guess we just need another bigger body to go with Rowe and Marchbank. GWS have Cameron, Lobbe, Himmelberg, Landon so they have a lot of tall options.
I agree that we would give Schumacher a run before the season ends.
Often if a side is tall you can just run off them. GWS have actually played better with Cameron out of the side.
Yeah, Langdon is shorter than Murphy ffs...
I'd have preferred to give Schumacher a go. Rowe and Marchbank can play the 2 key defensive posts. Just see no point picking O'Shea.
x2 Can only imagine how many goals he has conceded in 2018 during one on one contests. Either gets out positioned and his opponent takes an easy uncontested mark or he will grab on to an opponent, scrag him and he gets penalised resulting in a free shot at goal.
His below average when has some protection but absolutely hopeless if isolated.
Watch how many times giants go thru his player if they are one on one tomorrow.
Give him a bit of slack. Our team's ability to structure behind the ball has been limited all season thanks to the revolving door of players getting hurt.
The Tigers got to where they're with years of perseverence with fewer changes. He's new to the club and his teamates and despite how badly we have travelled given he's the only change we'll get a true indication of where we he's at now than any other time this year.
OSheas kicking is his main problem IMO....every kick is shanked and goes to the opposition...been terrible.
Does contest but does get outbodied too often as well..
OSheas kicking is his main problem IMO....every kick is shanked and goes to the opposition...been terrible.
Does contest but does get outbodied too often as well..
Kicking/decision making.
He has the ability to kick the ball, but he chooses the wrong options and gets found out. Players sag off, tempting him to kick it their way, and then pounce on the kick and cause the turnover.
Kerridge AND Graham have been pulled out of the NB game. We normally only hold back 1 emergency. Another late change?!?!
Kerridge AND Graham have been pulled out of the NB game. We normally only hold back 1 emergency. Another late change?!?!
Looking probable at this point. At has killed the 2's. The NBs lost Wilson as well, so they are playing effectively without a midfield and maybe 100 possessions down on the day.
Give him a bit of slack. Our team's ability to structure behind the ball has been limited all season thanks to the revolving door of players getting hurt.
The Tigers got to where they're with years of perseverence with fewer changes. He's new to the club and his teamates and despite how badly we have travelled given he's the only change we'll get a true indication of where we he's at now than any other time this year.
I did.
But when it happen again, again and again and again.....time to call a spade a spade mate.
If your contested defending is the worst at a club that sits last on the ladder and your not a kid, you better have a decent weapon somewhere else. He doesn't.
Awful disposal particularly by foot and bloody unreliable and generally turns it over even when running free without much pressure with ball in hand. Yes he is proven to be a very decent 2nds player but that's it.
The pace and quick decision making required in the seniors simply doesn't suit him. I will be disappointed if we haven't upgraded him and Mullet at years end.
I did.
But when it happen again, again and again and again.....time to call a spade a spade mate.
If your contested defending is the worst at a club that sits last on the ladder and your not a kid, you better have a decent weapon somewhere else. He doesn't.
Awful disposal particularly by foot and bloody unreliable and generally turns it over even when running free without much pressure with ball in hand. Yes he is proven to be a very decent 2nds player but that's it.
The pace and quick decision making required in the seniors simply doesn't suit him. I will be disappointed if we haven't upgraded him and Mullet at years end.
Agree...not sure whether SOS will want to cull a couple of his own picks that quick and have Matthew Lloyd have them on his scoreboard as fails.... ;)
Agree...not sure whether SOS will want to cull a couple his own picks that quick and have Matthew Lloyd have them on his scoreboard as fails.... ;)
If SOS is making decisions based on what Matthew Lloyd (or anyone else) is going to say, then he isn't the man for the job.
Its as plain as day that they are not up to AFL standard long term. Yes, they provided a senior body, but there is plenty of them going around. Keep picking them up and hope to find the next Heath Scotland or Andrew Carrazzo type player who can contribute at senior level consistently.
If SOS is making decisions based on what Matthew Lloyd (or anyone else) is going to say, then he isn't the man for the job.
Its as plain as day that they are not up to AFL standard long term. Yes, they provided a senior body, but there is plenty of them going around. Keep picking them up and hope to find the next Heath Scotland or Andrew Carrazzo type player who can contribute at senior level consistently.
We need the next Tim Kelly from the WAFL.....great game vs the Tigers and its a crying shame to see a powerhouse midfield like Geelong have just get another quality readymade player for nothing..... we got Garlett but he aint in the same parish as Kelly as a footballer....
I did.
But when it happen again, again and again and again.....time to call a spade a spade mate.
If your contested defending is the worst at a club that sits last on the ladder and your not a kid, you better have a decent weapon somewhere else. He doesn't.
Awful disposal particularly by foot and bloody unreliable and generally turns it over even when running free without much pressure with ball in hand. Yes he is proven to be a very decent 2nds player but that's it.
The pace and quick decision making required in the seniors simply doesn't suit him. I will be disappointed if we haven't upgraded him and Mullet at years end.
All I'm saying is that we shouldn't be judging many players based on much. I remember in 2012 which is a season which mirrors this one for sheer dumb luck with injury, that many a competent footballer looked much worse due to circumstance beyond their control.
I'm willing to see how he goes this week where he can actually play a key position role rather than a pocket or flanker.
In. Graham
Out. SOJ
Why? Why pick this bloke?