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Re: Pre-Game Pressure: AFL 2019 Rd 6: Carlton vs Hawthorn in Launceston

Reply #45
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Don't see the logic in messing with a forward structure that has worked once in god know's how long.

This.

I'd play Charlie in the 2s till he finds his touch - nothing like a dose of humility to get one's head sorted.
Finals, then 4 in a row!

Re: Pre-Game Pressure: AFL 2019 Rd 6: Carlton vs Hawthorn in Launceston

Reply #46
Dawks will play angry this week.

It was implied in some of the The Angry Ant's post game interviews that he thought they were too easy to play against, which in the past has been his code for some Hodge led snipping! You can be sure that an Angry Ant coached team always has one hit man, but who?
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Re: Pre-Game Pressure: AFL 2019 Rd 6: Carlton vs Hawthorn in Launceston

Reply #47
Kennedy in for either of LOB or Polson. Neither are ready for the big time.

Would like Garlett tried up forward too but I guess he needs to earn it....

Fas - where's he at - those who saw the NBs play?

And where is LeBois - never mentioned in injury updates?
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Re: Pre-Game Pressure: AFL 2019 Rd 6: Carlton vs Hawthorn in Launceston

Reply #48
Hawks have been luke warm this year....at best.

Ripe for the plucking. Hawks must be worried about Scully and Wingard - giving nothing....

Play 4 quarters and we'll win.

Finals, then 4 in a row!

Re: Pre-Game Pressure: AFL 2019 Rd 6: Carlton vs Hawthorn in Launceston

Reply #49
Hawks have been luke warm this year....at best.

Ripe for the plucking. Hawks must be worried about Scully and Wingard - giving nothing....

Play 4 quarters and we'll win.


A must!
Reality always wins in the end.

Re: Pre-Game Pressure: AFL 2019 Rd 6: Carlton vs Hawthorn in Launceston

Reply #50
Kennedy in for either of LOB or Polson. Neither are ready for the big time.
Rumors are Kennedy might again be injured, maybe cracked ribs late in the VFL game.

Would like Garlett tried up forward too but I guess he needs to earn it....
Mostly missing against the Pies, wasted some football.

Fas - where's he at - those who saw the NBs play?
RR reports he did nothing against his old VFL side, hardly touched it, didn't get enough to even waste it. My mate was at the game reckons Palmer should earn a Mid Season spot.

And where is LeBois - never mentioned in injury updates?
Who cares, long term he's not going to go past guys like Fisher, Cunningham, Gibbons, Poulson, O'Brien, Pickett, etc., etc., unless injuries prevail, even then he's likely to be injured! At the weekend, guys like Dow, Walsh, Fisher, Poulson, SoJ and SPS all spent time rotating/resting forward and looked creative.
The Force Awakens!

Re: Pre-Game Pressure: AFL 2019 Rd 6: Carlton vs Hawthorn in Launceston

Reply #51
Roughead ....> Kreuzer .> McEvoy .....................................................> Casboult

Is this going to be a problem in Launceston?

The aging Roughead has the others comfortably covered in terms of general football, Kreuzer probably gets McEvoy in terms of aerobic capacity but you wouldn't want your life dependent on the difference. McEvoy is more physical than Kreuzer. Levi as good as he was leading up as a KPF is miles off the pace in the center and around the ground at stoppages.

Surely we won't try to break McKay in the ruck, especially after last weekend! So I suspect we retain Levi off the back of 3 goals as a dedicated 2nd ruck/forward, even if Charlie returns!

Keep in mind the Launceston playing surface is bigger than the MCG, and much much bigger than Docklands!
The Force Awakens!

Re: Pre-Game Pressure: AFL 2019 Rd 6: Carlton vs Hawthorn in Launceston

Reply #52
Roughead ....> Kreuzer .> McEvoy .....................................................> Casboult

Is this going to be a problem in Launceston?

The aging Roughead has the others comfortably covered in terms of general football, Kreuzer probably gets McEvoy in terms of aerobic capacity but you wouldn't want your life dependent on the difference. McEvoy is more physical than Kreuzer. Levi as good as he was leading up as a KPF is miles off the pace in the center and around the ground at stoppages.

Surely we won't try to break McKay in the ruck, especially after last weekend! So I suspect we retain Levi off the back of 3 goals as a dedicated 2nd ruck/forward, even if Charlie returns!

Keep in mind the Launceston playing surface is bigger than the MCG, and much much bigger than Docklands!

Roughy looked a shadow of his former self....Liam covers him easily.

I imagine they'll play Cegler too....

But their problems are greater than ours - their back line is under sized and lacking in quality.....who takes big H, who takes the Guv?

Their midfield - without Mitchell, Shiels and Burgoyne - is shallow, to be polite....

Their forward line remains their sole (potential) strength - Breust, Gunston, Wingard, Poppy - but our back line is the equal of any....
Finals, then 4 in a row!

Re: Pre-Game Pressure: AFL 2019 Rd 6: Carlton vs Hawthorn in Launceston

Reply #53
I thought the battle of the midfield looked reasonably even yesterday, however it was when the Handbaggers pushed forward that the real differences showed up.

I think Clarkson has the makeshift Dawks midfield well organised and any shortfall is a bit overstated.
The Force Awakens!

Re: Pre-Game Pressure: AFL 2019 Rd 6: Carlton vs Hawthorn in Launceston

Reply #54
I thought the battle of the midfield looked reasonably even yesterday, however it was when the Handbaggers pushed forward that the real differences showed up.

I think Clarkson has the makeshift Dawks midfield well organised and any shortfall is a bit overstated.

Agree.

The difference between Hawthorn and Geelong yesterday was only related to class and experience.    When the game was in the balance, the likes of Gary Rohan, Gary Ablett, Harry Taylor , Dangerfield, Selwood, Luke Dahlhouse and co were the difference, and Hawthorn kept on coming.  Fair amount of grunt, class and premiership winning experience in that group.

Our fear factor from Hawthorn is as follows:

Paul Puopolo, Liam Shiels (test), Jarryd Roughead, Ben Stratton, Luke Breust, Isaac Smith Permiership players in 2012 and obviously still there.

Ben McEvoy, Jack Gunston, Shaun Burgoyne,  were the others still there that won a flag in 2014 and are still there.

Thats a fair chunk of experienced heads leading the way for the current group who managed a preliminary final last year.



Considering our issues lie in inexperience, and team synergy we are coming against perhaps the team that has the most consistent message from coach and leadership in the AFL competition at the moment, and take them lightly at your own peril.

"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: Pre-Game Pressure: AFL 2019 Rd 6: Carlton vs Hawthorn in Launceston

Reply #55
No one said they're (the Hawks' midfield) not well drilled, but rather lacking in class, depth and experience.....

Sicily at 1.89m as a KPD - a midget compared to harry, Charlie or Levi.....

Not saying they'll be easybeats - no way - but this is the sort of game we must win (comfortably ideally).
Finals, then 4 in a row!

Re: Pre-Game Pressure: AFL 2019 Rd 6: Carlton vs Hawthorn in Launceston

Reply #56
Agree.

The difference between Hawthorn and Geelong yesterday was only related to class and experience.    When the game was in the balance, the likes of Gary Rohan, Gary Ablett, Harry Taylor , Dangerfield, Selwood, Luke Dahlhouse and co were the difference, and Hawthorn kept on coming.  Fair amount of grunt, class and premiership winning experience in that group.

Our fear factor from Hawthorn is as follows:

Paul Puopolo, Liam Shiels (test), Jarryd Roughead, Ben Stratton, Luke Breust, Isaac Smith Permiership players in 2012 and obviously still there.

Ben McEvoy, Jack Gunston, Shaun Burgoyne,  were the others still there that won a flag in 2014 and are still there.

Thats a fair chunk of experienced heads leading the way for the current group who managed a preliminary final last year.



Considering our issues lie in inexperience, and team synergy we are coming against perhaps the team that has the most consistent message from coach and leadership in the AFL competition at the moment, and take them lightly at your own peril.

Let's not rewrite history - it was 30 points at 3/4 time - the game was dusted. And that margin flattered the Hawks quite frankly.

Sure, they kept coming - that is their hallmark - but the Cats' had it easily covered.....
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Re: Pre-Game Pressure: AFL 2019 Rd 6: Carlton vs Hawthorn in Launceston

Reply #57
Sicily at 1.89m as a KPD - a midget compared to harry, Charlie or Levi.....

If he contains Hawkins he can do a job on anybody on our list, probably McGovern is the only KPF who comes close to Hawkins type power forward at the moment!

I'd expect he'll be more than aerobic enough to go with Harry, and a fair bit more physical than Harry's weekend opponents.

At the moment it's pretty clear Harry's go is run for height, if he gains contested strength he's possibly a Buddy like combination. Of course that run is only possible when an opponent leaves space, do not expect that to happen against the Dawks!

Anyway Stratton will be back, and Shiels will also most likely return, both are upgrades on this weeks kids that will make a difference across the board.
The Force Awakens!

Re: Pre-Game Pressure: AFL 2019 Rd 6: Carlton vs Hawthorn in Launceston

Reply #58
The big worry is that we may end up with a typically blustery Launceston day, which will stunt the value of a tall forward line.  And I would certainly be sending the team out for extended goal kicking practice before the game.  The Hawks play this venue particularly well, and they will be bleeding after their last couple of weeks.
This is now the longest premiership drought in the history of the Carlton Football Club - more evidence of climate change?

Re: Pre-Game Pressure: AFL 2019 Rd 6: Carlton vs Hawthorn in Launceston

Reply #59
If he contains Hawkins he can do a job on anybody on our list, probably McGovern is the only KPF who comes close to Hawkins type power forward at the moment!

I'd expect he'll be more than aerobic enough to go with Harry, and a fair bit more physical than Harry's weekend opponents.

At the moment it's pretty clear Harry's go is run for height, if he gains contested strength he's possibly a Buddy like combination. Of course that run is only possible when an opponent leaves space, do not expect that to happen against the Dawks!

Anyway Stratton will be back, and Shiels will also most likely return, both are upgrades on this weeks kids that will make a difference across the board.

Yet Harry is 5cm taller and far more mobile/agile than big Tom.....and considerably better than Tom (current Tom) overhead.

Will be interesting to see if Stratton comes back in - Kaiden Brand - who has the height  - seems a bit out of his depth. And Stratton's a shorty too.

Shiels will be well underdone after a 4 week hammy injury? Happy to have him in.

Again, it all comes back to who wins the midfield in any event?

HAWTHORN

Grant Birchall (Knee) — Indefinite

Shaun Burgoyne (Hamstring) — 1-2 weeks

James Frawley (Hamstring) — 3 weeks

Darren Minchington (Hamstring) — 1 week

Tom Mitchell (Leg) — Indefinite

Tim Mohr (Knee) — Season

Ryan Schoenmakers (Achillies) — TBC

Liam Shiels (Hamstring) — Test

Ben Stratton (Concussion) — Test

Matthew Walker (Knee) — Test

Finals, then 4 in a row!