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Title: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 22: Carlton vs St Kilda
Post by: crashlander on August 17, 2019, 10:38:29 am
And the winner was_______
I'm at the game. I'll express my frustrations later.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 22: Carlton vs St Kilda
Post by: capcom on August 17, 2019, 04:28:28 pm
We should win.  I believe we will.   

Now who said that yesterday?  Oh yeah ... me.  Pardon the bragging.



 
Title: Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 22: Carlton vs St Kilda
Post by: laj on August 17, 2019, 04:29:20 pm
Winning half season for Teague  6-4.

Good win given the injuries.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 22: Carlton vs St Kilda
Post by: Barbs on August 17, 2019, 04:31:43 pm
Good win.
We like to charge late from behind though don’t we? Just once I’d like to see us start strong, stay well ahead and then finish even stronger.
Shame Sydney won last night, we could have moved up the ladder.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 22: Carlton vs St Kilda
Post by: Mantis on August 17, 2019, 04:32:24 pm
Winning half season for Teague  6-4.

Good win given the injuries.

Yes I agree and the fact that St Kilda are a better side than what the ladder shows. Was very nervous about this game. Huge relief but I tore my hair out the entire game. So close.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 22: Carlton vs St Kilda
Post by: cookie2 on August 17, 2019, 04:38:07 pm
Excellent win considering our outs. The boys kept at professionally to grind it out. Fabulous post match scenes. Good to see Daisy have a good game especially.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 22: Carlton vs St Kilda
Post by: bignic on August 17, 2019, 04:53:37 pm
What a magnificent coaching effort, today and the last 10 weeks.

He's done it today without one of our key forwards and a key defender who was a late withdrawal, and a group of some fringe players who would struggle to get a game in any of the top four teams.

Yes, the players that took to the field had to deliver and despite a million mistakes, many of them did, but you still have to have the brains and coaching ability to get the win.


The last 10 weeks, were no different than the first 11, from the playing point of view. They still make mistakes, they miss their targets, they miss goals, and they miss tackles.
So essentially, it's the same mob we have had all year.

However, we are later in the season, the knocks and bumps and sore shoulders and groins and other niggles are more pronounced,and we have players who would walk into our best 11 out injured.

Yet, with all that against him, D.T has got them playing way above the level that they were for the first half of the year, and his coaching, and tactical moves have added a dimension to our team that we haven't had in years.

In 65 years of supporting this football club, I have seen the lot. The high's the lows, the in betweens.

I haven't been as excited for our club about the next two years, as I have been since the golden era, 79, 81 and 82. And I was also at the MCG in 68 and 70.

So let's all enjoy the ride together.

We are in the best of hands in David Teague, and I believe that at 38, he has the capacity in time to be recognised as one of,  not only the greatest coach the Carlton Football Club has ever had, but one of the greatest coaches in VFL/AFL history.

I hope time proves me to be correct.


Title: Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 22: Carlton vs St Kilda
Post by: LoveNavy on August 17, 2019, 05:01:42 pm
Ok. I didn't expect us to win under such injury duress.
I'm proudly going to eat my words ????????
Nerve wracking but the best type of wins.
Hope our prospective recruits were watching.
The sleeping giant is awakening.

That was a stellar performance.
Effort and belief didn't falter. Some areas were limited but we kept the pressure on.

Love that we won the tackles and CP despite being beaten to at the contest. These are the wins that build belief and contribute to a winning culture.

Congratulations to the boys and coaches.
Thanks to all the Bluebaggers who helped our boys today ????
Shout out to capcom for the spot on prediction.

PS. Daisy to be Rookied. Played such an important role in a backline bereft of key defenders.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 22: Carlton vs St Kilda
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on August 17, 2019, 05:08:57 pm
Great win, shut up all my Stkilda supporting inlaws who send me texts everytime they beat us....they all have a copy of our theme song on their phones now.
Well done to DT, Daisy who held it together down back and I thought my whipping boy LOB played the best game I have seen him play and I might even give him a vote.
The Krooze train ran parallel with the Teague train and he played a fine last quarter.....

Title: Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 22: Carlton vs St Kilda
Post by: IvanAwfulbigone on August 17, 2019, 05:14:52 pm
That'll do, Teague. That'll do.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 22: Carlton vs St Kilda
Post by: Thryleon on August 17, 2019, 05:29:25 pm
Did it the hard way today beating 21. 

Some of the free kicks that st. Kilda got was rubbish.  How they miss some of the ones we should get is just diabolical.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 22: Carlton vs St Kilda
Post by: laj on August 17, 2019, 05:32:11 pm
Just got home, missed everything, time for a trip to Kayo Sports to watch the the finish.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 22: Carlton vs St Kilda
Post by: cookie2 on August 17, 2019, 05:38:11 pm
Great win, shut up all my Stkilda supporting inlaws who send me texts everytime they beat us....they all have a copy of our theme song on their phones now.
Well done to DT, Daisy who held it together down back and I thought my whipping boy LOB played the best game I have seen him play and I might even give him a vote.
The Krooze train ran parallel with the Teague train and he played a fine last quarter.....

Yes Kreuz had a great game and I really enjoyed some of those Kroose Missiles he was launching.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 22: Carlton vs St Kilda
Post by: IvanAwfulbigone on August 17, 2019, 05:48:02 pm
Levi, immense.

Newman, revelatory.

Kreuzer's last quarter, match-winning. Shades of Ali v. Foreman from the Rumble in the Jungle as Marshall led him a merry dance for most of the match. The wily ol' bugger let the young colt tire himself out then put him down for the count in the last.

Daisy, vale - or, as the pretentious class are now saying - "vah-lay".

Murph, can't believe this is the same guy I've been potting for the last few years. Suddenly he's able to land the ball on a sixpence while off balance and blindfolded.

Plowman, courageous.  In fact, no-one took a backward step today. Teague seems to have the players believing in themselves.  They're not hanging their heads when they make those clangers.  Gutsy win today.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 22: Carlton vs St Kilda
Post by: LoveNavy on August 17, 2019, 05:50:14 pm
@ ivanbigawful
Marchbank typo?
Title: Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 22: Carlton vs St Kilda
Post by: townsendcalling on August 17, 2019, 05:52:41 pm
Cripps spent the morning in hospital. Ear infection, almost pulled out....but didn’t.  That’s our leader. 
Title: Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 22: Carlton vs St Kilda
Post by: LoveNavy on August 17, 2019, 05:58:54 pm
Cripps spent the morning in hospital. Ear infection, almost pulled out....but didn’t.  That’s our leader.

Says it all.
You wont find a more courageous, committed,  humble human being.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 22: Carlton vs St Kilda
Post by: laj on August 17, 2019, 06:18:37 pm
McGovern plays much better when he's fit rather than fat.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 22: Carlton vs St Kilda
Post by: laj on August 17, 2019, 07:15:20 pm
6 wins in the second half of the season is more than expected. Be a lovely bonus to make it 7 next weeks but the Cats are tough to beat down there.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 22: Carlton vs St Kilda
Post by: PaulP on August 17, 2019, 07:29:57 pm
Listening to Ratten's post match presser, said that Casboult was clearly BOG today.

I have mixed feelings about him getting the Saints gig. I'd like to see him coach again, but gee they're an ordinary club. Their list would have to be bottom 3 in the comp. Their recruiting and trading over the last several years has been lousy.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 22: Carlton vs St Kilda
Post by: Professer E on August 17, 2019, 08:23:59 pm
Tigers player takes a mark seconds after the siren and it's paid.  The very next week....

3*'#$ clowns.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 22: Carlton vs St Kilda
Post by: blueboys_1 on August 17, 2019, 08:59:01 pm
McGovern plays much better when he's fit rather than fat.
Didnt recognise him today. Looks a lot fitter so hopefully he can become as consistent  as his brother. Loves to take a mark as he showed a couple of times today one ripper and one almost even better much to simmos disgust.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 22: Carlton vs St Kilda
Post by: blueboys_1 on August 17, 2019, 09:02:53 pm
Tigers player takes a mark seconds after the siren and it's paid.  The very next week....

3*'#$ clowns.

Said the same thing at the time. One pays the mark the other one reveses it. I would of been kicked out and banned if security was arround.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 22: Carlton vs St Kilda
Post by: dodge on August 17, 2019, 09:03:58 pm
Mark was after the siren, but not  by as much as last week.  It was fun booing anyway.

The big curiosity was in the third.  There was a bit of a stacks on by the boundary line in our 50. Ball was not out, although players thought it was.  Unless called play on , players were running to position,  but the ball was still live.   After a bit, umpire calls a ball up.  Can't temember the result (did it lead to as Saints goal), but it was a real wtf.

I haven't watched the replay, but can anyone shed some light on this one?
Title: Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 22: Carlton vs St Kilda
Post by: kruddler on August 17, 2019, 09:06:18 pm
Tigers player takes a mark seconds after the siren and it's paid.  The very next week....

3*'#$ clowns.

Don't forget Harry against the hawks. Cost us the game.

Technically the only incorrect decision was against us last week. Doesnt make it suck any less
Title: Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 22: Carlton vs St Kilda
Post by: JonHenry on August 17, 2019, 09:11:21 pm
David Teague.
You are a star.

We had 8-9 best 22 out today

Great win
Title: Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 22: Carlton vs St Kilda
Post by: blueboys_1 on August 17, 2019, 09:11:40 pm
Listening to Ratten's post match presser, said that Casboult was clearly BOG today.

I have mixed feelings about him getting the Saints gig. I'd like to see him coach again, but gee they're an ordinary club. Their list would have to be bottom 3 in the comp. Their recruiting and trading over the last several years has been lousy.

Thought he and kruzer were our best today. Ratten gave him the ultimate complement today by moving Carlise down to the forward line in the last 1/4 to make him more accountable. He just kept going like the enegiser bunny.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 22: Carlton vs St Kilda
Post by: PaulP on August 17, 2019, 09:54:05 pm
Thought he and kruzer were our best today. Ratten gave him the ultimate complement today by moving Carlise down to the forward line in the last 1/4 to make him more accountable. He just kept going like the enegiser bunny.

I thought Kreuzer's final quarter was exceptional. Agree, Ratts tried a few things on Levi, but he just had the Midas Touch today. 9 intercept marks I think, which is a crazy stat.

He and Jones were on the way out the door and quite likely out of the AFL system, and yet now both look very capable and would be turning a few heads at other clubs I reckon. Maybe our player development is finally a thing.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 22: Carlton vs St Kilda
Post by: bratblue on August 17, 2019, 10:37:44 pm
I thought Kreuzer's final quarter was exceptional. Agree, Ratts tried a few things on Levi, but he just had the Midas Touch today. 9 intercept marks I think, which is a crazy stat.



His last mark I'll remember for a long time. Its when I knew we had finally won it.

We've had so many pummelings at the hands of the Saints over the years that it turned me off going to the footy. I can revise that now.

It was also nice to see two Carlton men in the respective coaches boxes.

The Saints aren't as bad a team as some make out and their leg speed could've killed us today. The game was won in the third quarter when we stopped the Saints run and applied the intense pressure in our forward line. We could never do that under Bolts and you get the sense that its what is going to take this team a long way.

Harry's set shot kicking has been diabolical since the groin injury, hopefully he'll be over that next season.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 22: Carlton vs St Kilda
Post by: blue4life on August 17, 2019, 10:40:02 pm
Fantastic win against the odds, all of our bit players put in and our stars stepped up.
Murphy clearly BOG for mine, he went at it all day and didn't put a foot wrong, his goal in the third was sublime.
We sung the song loud and proud.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 22: Carlton vs St Kilda
Post by: Tragic on August 17, 2019, 11:28:51 pm
i can't believe the difference in the way we're playing now.  we've got a pretty exciting team and there are a few auto ins in the wings. and playing and winning like that will look pretty appealing to the trade targets in our sights.

the beautiful thing is we'll finish bottom 4 still and get a nice easy draw next year.  just like brisbane. we could really shoot up the ladder if this preseason hits its potential.

Title: Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 22: Carlton vs St Kilda
Post by: LP on August 18, 2019, 01:08:38 am
the beautiful thing is we'll finish bottom 4 still and get a nice easy draw next year.  just like brisbane. we could really shoot up the ladder if this preseason hits its potential.

Let's wait and see what the AFL's discretionary component of the schedule does to our draw before we comment!
Title: Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 22: Carlton vs St Kilda
Post by: IvanAwfulbigone on August 18, 2019, 08:48:26 am
Just watched a replay of the Harry mark -> quick handball to Murph streaming past -> spots The Governator sprinting toward goal -> spearing kick out in front so he can gather & run into open goal.

Orgasmic.
Title: Re: Daisy
Post by: flyboy77 on August 18, 2019, 09:00:39 am
True
But Daisy provides experienced and versatile depth.
A harsh reality is that Docherty and Willo…. and to a lesser extent Marchbank have all had a couple of injury plagued seasons....a few of the others struggle to make it through full seasons.
They all need to show they can stay on the field.

However it seems the decision has been made...despite a strong and increasing resistance it seems Daisy's Carlton time is up.
But if I was him I'd keep my phone close...I expect he'll be getting a call or two.
He's the type of player the Gold Coast would benefit having around in some capacity.

There must be more to the Daisy story....either off field stuff or some amazing players coming in....
Title: Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 22: Carlton vs St Kilda
Post by: crashlander on August 18, 2019, 11:02:13 am
Tigers player takes a mark seconds after the siren and it's paid.  The very next week....

3*'#$ clowns.
To be dudded like that 2 weeks in a row was more than galling. The umps really need to have a good look at themselves.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 22: Carlton vs St Kilda
Post by: madbluboy on August 18, 2019, 03:32:45 pm
To be dudded like that 2 weeks in a row was more than galling. The umps really need to have a good look at themselves.

The siren clearly went before Silvagni marked.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 22: Carlton vs St Kilda
Post by: crashlander on August 18, 2019, 03:56:22 pm
The siren clearly went before Silvagni marked.
As it did last week. It went earlier last week. And yet Richmond get an undeserved goal and we do not.
Consistency? No such thing. And what of the nonsense spouted last week? Not a word.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 22: Carlton vs St Kilda
Post by: flyboy77 on August 18, 2019, 04:26:58 pm
The siren clearly went before Silvagni marked.

No one disputes that.

I think this is the issue - and different to last week's one...

Quote
10.4 End of Quarter
(a) The Timekeeper shall sound the siren until a field Umpire acknowledges that the siren has been heard and brings play to an end.

(b) In the event the field Umpires do not hear the siren, the Timekeeper may advise the field Umpires of the end of the quarter via the Umpires communication system.

This rule is not well known by football fans and clearly states that the umpires are the sole judge of when a quarter ends.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 22: Carlton vs St Kilda
Post by: townsendcalling on August 18, 2019, 04:28:19 pm
52,000 at the G for our home game. I’m sure they didn’t budget for anything like that for a Round 22 vs St  Kilda match.

I dare say another financial windfall for the club. The story keeps getting better.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 22: Carlton vs St Kilda
Post by: ironman on August 18, 2019, 05:01:12 pm
His last mark I'll remember for a long time. Its when I knew we had finally won it.


Watching Murphy run past with his fists in the air was nearly as good to watch as the mark
Title: Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 22: Carlton vs St Kilda
Post by: DJC on August 18, 2019, 05:49:06 pm
It was great to get out of that with a win, particularly with an undermanned defence.  Levi was excellent (and Teague clearly wants him as a forward option in 2020), Plowman was undersized but stood up well and Newman, Thomas, Setterfield, Samo and Simmo were all instrumental in denying St Kilda.

I was pleased with Dow and O'Brien.  Both showed poise and commitment and I think that they will continue to develop and improve and have big seasons next year.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 22: Carlton vs St Kilda
Post by: JonHenry on August 18, 2019, 05:54:48 pm
It was great to get out of that with a win, particularly with an undermanned defence.  Levi was excellent (and Teague clearly wants him as a forward option in 2020), Plowman was undersized but stood up well and Newman, Thomas, Setterfield, Samo and Simmo were all instrumental in denying St Kilda.

I was pleased with Dow and O'Brien.  Both showed poise and commitment and I think that they will continue to develop and improve and have big seasons next year.

Wasn’t Plowman on Membrey?
Title: Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 22: Carlton vs St Kilda
Post by: Lods on August 18, 2019, 06:23:29 pm
Not sure he's been mentioned but DeLuca had his best game for us.
Still a way off, but improving with each game....and his effort at times was first class.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 22: Carlton vs St Kilda
Post by: kruddler on August 18, 2019, 06:25:08 pm
Not sure he's been mentioned but DeLuca had his best game for us.
Still a way off, but improving with each game....and his effort at times was first class.

I think he learnt Daisys candy selling techniques.

Made quite a few players miss in tight.

Good signs his confidence is growing and started to get used to the speed of AFL footy.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 22: Carlton vs St Kilda
Post by: flyboy77 on August 18, 2019, 06:32:21 pm
I think he learnt Daisys candy selling techniques.

Made quite a few players miss in tight.

Good signs his confidence is growing and started to get used to the speed of AFL footy.

That's what made me laugh...even we arm chair warriors know it's a big step up from any level to senior AFL footy - let alone a mid season switch and coming off a hammy....

There were those who labelled him 'not up to it' after less than a handful of games. F...me.

The bloke is quick, hungry and keen to succeed.

Once he settles, his moments of over zealous decision making should settle. I reckon he'll be a 100 + gamer for us. And have more time ion the guts!
Title: Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 22: Carlton vs St Kilda
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on August 18, 2019, 06:41:17 pm
That's what made me laugh...even we arm chair warriors know it's a big step up from any level to senior AFL footy - let alone a mid season switch and coming off a hammy....

There were those who labelled him 'not up to it' after less than a handful of games. F...me.

The bloke is quick, hungry and keen to succeed.

Once he settles, his moments of over zealous decision making should settle. I reckon he'll be a 100 + gamer for us. And have more time ion the guts!

Yep...slow start but part of that was he was being ignored, made good position a lot of times but our blokes just didnt want to see him.
Had no doubt he would be handy player and that important goal he kicked showed he can handle the pressure, has good awareness and doesnt miss many targets
and like Gibbons is another moneyball state league winner.
Give him a preseason and he will improve even more..
Title: Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 22: Carlton vs St Kilda
Post by: Baggers on August 18, 2019, 06:57:57 pm
Yep...slow start but part of that was he was being ignored, made good position a lot of times but our blokes just didnt want to see him.
Had no doubt he would be handy player and that important goal he kicked showed he can handle the pressure, has good awareness and doesnt miss many targets
and like Gibbons is another moneyball state league winner.
Give him a preseason and he will improve even more..

Totally agree with you K and FB. Gibbo and Deluca with a pre season under their respective belts will be much more than 'depth' players... no accident each is getting a gig in front of Polson.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 22: Carlton vs St Kilda
Post by: DJC on August 18, 2019, 07:00:21 pm
Wasn’t Plowman on Membrey?

That was one of his match ups and Membrey is like McGovern in playing a lot taller than his height.  Plowman also had Bruce when Kreuzer was off and Marshall stayed on, and we were outsized in defence from midway through the third quarter when Carlisle went forward.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 22: Carlton vs St Kilda
Post by: Shakin77 on August 18, 2019, 07:27:40 pm
Anyone at the game.

Did Setterfield play back pocket on Stevens all day?
Title: Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 22: Carlton vs St Kilda
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on August 18, 2019, 07:38:15 pm
That was one of his match ups and Membrey is like McGovern in playing a lot taller than his height.  Plowman also had Bruce when Kreuzer was off and Marshall stayed on, and we were outsized in defence from midway through the third quarter when Carlisle went forward.

Yep, got lucky Membrey missed a couple he would normally kick, Plowman actually has 3cm on Membrey but the latter has a good vertical leap and gadget arms. Kicked 3 2. from 10 marks
and had 15 possies so I gave the points to Membrey but we didnt have our full crew in and Plowman probably got a player he wasnt suited to.
Carlisle is a useful player....useful as a step ladder for taking marks on but thats about all, thought McGovern played well and backed up his game from last week.
Saints fans and players were giving it to him the whole game to according to my Saints supporting inlaws who went to the game calling him fatty and the crape MCgovern brother so it was good to see him play well and stick it back at them....Saints have some of the worst feral supporters going around.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 22: Carlton vs St Kilda
Post by: cookie2 on August 18, 2019, 07:41:25 pm
Yep, got lucky Membrey missed a couple he would normally kick, Plowman actually has 3cm on Membrey but the latter has a good vertical leap and gadget arms. Kicked 3 2. from 10 marks
and had 15 possies so I gave the points to Membrey but we didnt have our full crew in and Plowman probably got a player he wasnt suited to.
Carlisle is a useful player....useful as a step ladder for taking marks on but thats about all, thought McGovern played well and backed up his game from last week.
Saints fans and players were giving it to him the whole game to according to my Saints supporting inlaws who went to the game calling him fatty and the crape MCgovern brother so it was good to see him play well and stick it back at them....Saints have some of the worst feral supporters going around.

'Twas always thus unfortunately.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 22: Carlton vs St Kilda
Post by: LoveNavy on August 18, 2019, 08:09:25 pm
Saints player knocked umpire q2 about 6.40 to go.. umpire almost went ao

Nothing to see I suppose ????
Or doesn't that rule apply to 17 teams ?
Title: Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 22: Carlton vs St Kilda
Post by: kruddler on August 18, 2019, 08:25:17 pm
Anyone at the game.

Did Setterfield play back pocket on Stevens all day?

I was at the game....with 2 kids.....and at about the only time i saw setterfield was when he was running on/off the bench.

Based on that logic, he may have been tucked away in the back pocket.

It was always Simmo, Plowman and Daisy who were saving the day on the last line of defence on a fast break though.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 22: Carlton vs St Kilda
Post by: capcom on August 18, 2019, 08:37:26 pm
Another recruit who fails to impress.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 22: Carlton vs St Kilda
Post by: bratblue on August 18, 2019, 08:48:44 pm
He hasn't done much since he got that standing ovation a few weeks back. He'll come good.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 22: Carlton vs St Kilda
Post by: flyboy77 on August 18, 2019, 08:54:00 pm
Another recruit who fails to impress.

Coming off a knee recon and 19 games under his belt, I think he canbe cut some slack....
Title: Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 22: Carlton vs St Kilda
Post by: townsendcalling on August 18, 2019, 09:01:53 pm
Another recruit who fails to impress.

Due to the lack of personnel in the backline, Setterfield was asked to play a role that was totally foreign to him.  He basically took Plowman’s place as a shutdown. As has been mentioned, 19 games in total, off a reco, he’ll be fine.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 22: Carlton vs St Kilda
Post by: Thryleon on August 18, 2019, 10:55:29 pm
Anyone at the game.

Did Setterfield play back pocket on Stevens all day?

Pretty much.  He did a few good things but lowered his colours a couple of times too.

Title: Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 22: Carlton vs St Kilda
Post by: jeza on August 18, 2019, 11:32:40 pm
Setterfield keeps being played in different positions every week. None of them the role he'd have played as a junior. You have to take his up and down performances with a grain of salt.

Same goes for a lot of our younger players.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 22: Carlton vs St Kilda
Post by: DJC on August 18, 2019, 11:57:17 pm
Another recruit who fails to impress.

I thought that Setterfield played a useful game as a defender, a role that's very different to his usual place on the wing.  He didn't get a lot of the ball but featured in some crucial defensive plays.

I think he is another player who will benefit from getting through this season and will flourish after a full pre-season.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 22: Carlton vs St Kilda
Post by: madbluboy on August 19, 2019, 07:39:58 am
I thought he did a good job. Steven had 22 touches and 3 goals the week prior.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 22: Carlton vs St Kilda
Post by: Tragic on August 19, 2019, 09:43:58 am
Setters can play most positions pretty well.  Just a good footballer. Can't wait to see him hit his straps once fully recovered, fit and strong, and more games under his belt.  Don't know where his best position will be, but I do think he'll be played wherever he is needed.

Thoughts on where he is best suited?
Title: Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 22: Carlton vs St Kilda
Post by: Jack Burton on August 19, 2019, 09:48:05 am
Midfield/wing (eventually)
Title: Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 22: Carlton vs St Kilda
Post by: Baggers on August 19, 2019, 10:37:18 am
Due to the lack of personnel in the backline, Setterfield was asked to play a role that was totally foreign to him.  He basically took Plowman’s place as a shutdown. As has been mentioned, 19 games in total, off a reco, he’ll be fine.

Yep, sacrificed his game for the team on Saturday. Plenty to be enthused about.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 22: Carlton vs St Kilda
Post by: WASurfer on August 19, 2019, 10:58:45 am
I remember posting something prior to the season, after the recruiting of McGovern, and asking where did Casboult fit into things and most of the responses were along the lines of "playing in the VFL and maybe getting a call up when someone in the forward line is injured or if Kreuzer goes down". What an amazing turn around for big Levi. Slotted in perfectly down back when Jones went out with the concussion and then moved into a forward/ruck role when Charlie went down. We couldn't give him away last year but while his trade value would've rocketed, I certainly hope we hang onto him...still the best forward/ruck support option and has shown he can play down back with plenty of confidence. The same thing was said about Silvagni and how it was hard to see where he fitted in....now a perfect "anything" type player who can do a run with role, play as a defensive forward option etc.

The turnaround in the team/club in 10 weeks is nothing sort of staggering. Full credit to Teague and the players for embracing it and giving us all a little bit of confidence in really moving up next year. If the Coniglio thing turns out to be in our favour and if we can turn our first round pick into an experience player then anything is possible next year....slot in a fit and healthy Charlie and Docherty as well on top of Jones/Weitering who missed on Saturday.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 22: Carlton vs St Kilda
Post by: Jack Burton on August 19, 2019, 11:03:34 am
You can also add Cuningham, Stocker and Williamson to that list. If we can get a decent run with injuries there'll be serious competition for spots in the team next year
Title: Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 22: Carlton vs St Kilda
Post by: shawny on August 19, 2019, 11:05:13 am
I thought he did a good job. Steven had 22 touches and 3 goals the week prior.

Yep agree. Lets not forget Steven is the one player that time and time again has ripped us a new one and while he may not be 100% match fit containing him went a big way in us winning.

Setters has tidied up his disposal recently too, used to turn it over by rushing things but looks to have fixed that in the last few weeks. Think we all (me included) expected too much from this kid this year - get a injury free preseason into him and think he may very well be the one that really comes on next year.
  

  
Title: Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 22: Carlton vs St Kilda
Post by: WASurfer on August 19, 2019, 11:06:01 am
Agreed Jack...even Marchbank might struggle for a spot in a full and healthy list.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 22: Carlton vs St Kilda
Post by: Jack Burton on August 19, 2019, 11:10:33 am
Marchbank would be in my best 22 if everyone was fit, and wouldn't that be a nice problem to have!
Title: Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 22: Carlton vs St Kilda
Post by: Blue Moon on August 19, 2019, 11:22:14 am
Basically we are a four goals better side than what we were in the first half of the season. If we had played like we are playing now back then, we would have an additional six wins and would be sitting in the top eight. We beat St.Kilda without our full back, our centre half back and our centre half forward,  as well as having our Captain, best player and leader getting out of his sick bed to play. For the first time in a long time the skies are blue and that blue is dark navy.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 22: Carlton vs St Kilda
Post by: laj on August 19, 2019, 12:28:14 pm
In these last 11 rounds we'll have played the top 4, 3 others who were in the 8 at the time or in the 8 now, traveled twice, with one of those other 3 games against sides out of the 8 we had to play it in Sydney. Another one we lost to Melbourne because of a Simmo shank. For a side that finished last with 2 wins last year that's not exactly a pleasant draw.

6-5, as is likely, is tremendous, 7-4 would be something outstanding.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 22: Carlton vs St Kilda
Post by: laj on August 19, 2019, 12:33:54 pm
We might end up the best 16th pace team ever. Or best 3rd last team ever.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 22: Carlton vs St Kilda
Post by: madbluboy on August 19, 2019, 12:41:01 pm
Basically we are a four goals better side than what we were in the first half of the season. If we had played like we are playing now back then, we would have an additional six wins and would be sitting in the top eight. We beat St.Kilda without our full back, our centre half back and our centre half forward,  as well as having our Captain, best player and leader getting out of his sick bed to play. For the first time in a long time the skies are blue and that blue is dark navy.

Bolton and SOS have to get credit for building and developing the list. Teague is showing that he can get the best out of the boys.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 22: Carlton vs St Kilda
Post by: Tragic on August 19, 2019, 01:04:09 pm
Bolton and SOS have to get credit for building and developing the list. Teague is showing that he can get the best out of the boys.

exactly mad one.  I like the hard yards BB put in.  he deserves credit.  DT is simply showing he is a better game day coach.  and SoS's hard work is starting to show dividends now, whereas before there were noises that he couldn't pick a winner in a 1 ticket raffle.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 22: Carlton vs St Kilda
Post by: bignic on August 19, 2019, 01:33:52 pm
I'm wondering if the club has or would, give any thought to making daisy an offer to stay on in a coaching role. He's well spoken, got a great footy brain, and has an excellent relationship with the players.

DT is only 38, and is senior coach, so why not a young recently retired DT to mentor players.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 22: Carlton vs St Kilda
Post by: laj on August 19, 2019, 01:47:22 pm
Bolton and SOS have to get credit for building and developing the list. Teague is showing that he can get the best out of the boys.

SOS built the list, Bolton couldn't coach it and probably held them back  as we have seen by the last 10 weeks. Teague is showing that.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 22: Carlton vs St Kilda
Post by: PaulP on August 19, 2019, 01:51:13 pm
I'm wondering if the club has or would, give any thought to making daisy an offer to stay on in a coaching role. He's well spoken, got a great footy brain, and has an excellent relationship with the players.

DT is only 38, and is senior coach, so why not a young recently retired DT to mentor players.

Hard to say. His public comments indicate that he's keen to play on, and believes he has plenty left in the tank. If he doesn't get a senior spot elsewhere, I'm not sure whether he'd prefer an AFL assistant's role, or whether he'd prefer to play in the VFL or other league. His comments give the impression that wanted to enjoy that winning feeling again after putting in the hard yards, so based on that I doubt a club like GC would appeal.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 22: Carlton vs St Kilda
Post by: flyboy77 on August 19, 2019, 01:53:30 pm
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-2019-carltons-jack-silvagni-left-frustrated-after-threequarter-time-siren-controversy/news-story/24bca6fb442c0ac6b36acfaeccf9237c?fbclid=IwAR2-hFBeBFyfwvMcsT3qwzWTS2cmEMhwHN51xOTaJZObViVYosygkSBYsrA

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Under law 10.4.1, timekeepers are expected to sound the siren until the field umpire acknowledges the siren and brings play to an end.

“The Timekeepers shall sound the siren to signal the end of a quarter until a field Umpire or the emergency Umpire acknowledges the siren and brings play to an end, by blowing a whistle and holding both arms above their head.”

“When we hear it (the siren), that’s the end of the quarter,” Harris explained to Silvagni and teammate Harry McKay.

So, the umpires were wrong.

Part of bringing it (the quarter) to an end is "AND holding both arms above their head" - this was not done by any umpire before the mark was taken.

Mark should have stood.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 22: Carlton vs St Kilda
Post by: Lods on August 19, 2019, 02:36:29 pm
On the relative contributions of Bolton, SOS and Teague...

It's really something we need to wait a bit longer to determine.
We're having a bit of a euphoric period just at the moment and the blue goggles are working overtime...but consider this...

Teague's coaching abilities will be tested during a full season in different ways.
Everything so far has been positive and hopefully he is able to meet any challenge that comes his way.

One of those will be the use and development of our younger brigade because a reality of our current success is that it's not built on the back of our youth.
It's a combination of youth and experience and in fact the major movers, and most consistent,  have been players like Cripps, Murphy, Kreuzer, Simpson, Jones, Levi, Thomas, Ed Curnow.
None of which were recruited by Silvagni, and many of whom are playing much  better football under Teague than they did under Bolton.

Of the young ones the best of them  like Weitering, Walsh, Curnow, Harry, SPS were early draft picks.
But there are successes further down the list with some trades and acquisitions now looking like they'll be good players.
Consistency of the young ones is probably what needs to develop.

When most of the old crew give way to the young ones in two or three years time that's when the success of Silvagni's strategy can be really judged.

In Bolton's case....Unfortunately he'll get little credit (apart from maybe a few hard core supporters) because the young player's best football is still ahead of them and Teague will get the credit for their performances.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 22: Carlton vs St Kilda
Post by: LP on August 19, 2019, 02:41:55 pm
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-2019-carltons-jack-silvagni-left-frustrated-after-threequarter-time-siren-controversy/news-story/24bca6fb442c0ac6b36acfaeccf9237c?fbclid=IwAR2-hFBeBFyfwvMcsT3qwzWTS2cmEMhwHN51xOTaJZObViVYosygkSBYsrA

So, the umpires were wrong.

Part of bringing it (the quarter) to an end is "AND holding both arms above their head" - this was not done by any umpire before the mark was taken.

Mark should have stood.

So they pick and choose, I suppose we are paranoid to think it's not an accident!
Title: Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 22: Carlton vs St Kilda
Post by: Thryleon on August 19, 2019, 03:35:24 pm
On the relative contributions of Bolton, SOS and Teague...

It's really something we need to wait a bit longer to determine.
We're having a bit of a euphoric period just at the moment and the blue goggles are working overtime...but consider this...

Teague's coaching abilities will be tested during a full season in different ways.
Everything so far has been positive and hopefully he is able to meet any challenge that comes his way.

One of those will be the use and development of our younger brigade because a reality of our current success is that it's not built on the back of our youth.
It's a combination of youth and experience and in fact the major movers, and most consistent,  have been players like Cripps, Murphy, Kreuzer, Simpson, Jones, Levi, Thomas, Ed Curnow.
None of which were recruited by Silvagni, and many of whom are playing much  better football under Teague than they did under Bolton.

Of the young ones the best of them  like Weitering, Walsh, Curnow, Harry, SPS were early draft picks.
But there are successes further down the list with some trades and acquisitions now looking like they'll be good players.
Consistency of the young ones is probably what needs to develop.

When most of the old crew give way to the young ones in two or three years time that's when the success of Silvagni's strategy can be really judged.

In Bolton's case....Unfortunately he'll get little credit (apart from maybe a few hard core supporters) because the young player's best football is still ahead of them and Teague will get the credit for their performances.

See its really easy.

If you are coached by anyone, they are part of why you are today.

Sometimes players develop skills because of a coach, some of them will develop skills in spite of them.  Either way, both coaches make an impact on their careers.  Its folly to attribute anything to one coach.


Title: Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 22: Carlton vs St Kilda
Post by: PaulP on August 19, 2019, 03:55:58 pm
On the relative contributions of Bolton, SOS and Teague...

It's really something we need to wait a bit longer to determine.
We're having a bit of a euphoric period just at the moment and the blue goggles are working overtime...but consider this...

...................................................

When most of the old crew give way to the young ones in two or three years time that's when the success of Silvagni's strategy can be really judged.

In Bolton's case....Unfortunately he'll get little credit (apart from maybe a few hard core supporters) because the young player's best football is still ahead of them and Teague will get the credit for their performances.

Nice post Lods.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 22: Carlton vs St Kilda
Post by: rocky on August 19, 2019, 03:57:33 pm
So they pick and choose, I suppose we are paranoid to think it's not an accident!

This is the thing that infuriates me the most. Game against St Killya the controlling umpire DID NOT hear the siren. The non-controlling umpire came over and overruled. Game last week NOT ONE of the 3 central umpires heard the siren go before the mark to do the same?? Give me a break. We have been on the receiving end of some horrible decisions and NON decisions all year. This weeks umpiring was reasonably good compared to previous games.
A great win.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 22: Carlton vs St Kilda
Post by: laj on August 19, 2019, 04:13:09 pm
On the relative contributions of Bolton, SOS and Teague...

It's really something we need to wait a bit longer to determine.
We're having a bit of a euphoric period just at the moment and the blue goggles are working overtime...but consider this...

Teague's coaching abilities will be tested during a full season in different ways.
Everything so far has been positive and hopefully he is able to meet any challenge that comes his way.

One of those will be the use and development of our younger brigade because a reality of our current success is that it's not built on the back of our youth.
It's a combination of youth and experience and in fact the major movers, and most consistent,  have been players like Cripps, Murphy, Kreuzer, Simpson, Jones, Levi, Thomas, Ed Curnow.
None of which were recruited by Silvagni, and many of whom are playing much  better football under Teague than they did under Bolton.

Of the young ones the best of them  like Weitering, Walsh, Curnow, Harry, SPS were early draft picks.
But there are successes further down the list with some trades and acquisitions now looking like they'll be good players.
Consistency of the young ones is probably what needs to develop.

When most of the old crew give way to the young ones in two or three years time that's when the success of Silvagni's strategy can be really judged.

In Bolton's case....Unfortunately he'll get little credit (apart from maybe a few hard core supporters) because the young player's best football is still ahead of them and Teague will get the credit for their performances.

Unfortunately for Bolton he made a good young list look like $hit. Even with honeymoons, lack of pressure and seeing how a full season goes etc, the difference too stark to come to any other conclusion. We had a really crap draw for the last 11 games, as bad as it gets, we're going to win likely 6, possibly 7, compared to 4 from 40. Many hoped for 7 or 8 wins this year and we managed it in the end. no bad after starting the 2nd half of the season at one. We still have to see how things go in a full season but right now Teague deserves full credit for turning around a mess.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 22: Carlton vs St Kilda
Post by: bignic on August 19, 2019, 05:31:49 pm
Bolton had a game plan no one, least of all him, could understand. He was stubborn beyond all reason, and loathe to change.

Bolton's background is as a teacher, and as such, he was, as some teachers have the capacity to do, able to get close to his young students in a caring nurturing way, inviting them to his home for barbecues, meals etc.

But he couldn't translate their love for him as a human being, and his love for them as his students, into a capacity for them to understand or follow through, on anything that he was telling them to do. I had a couple of lovely, kind, caring people who taught me at school, but I learnt virtually nothing from them about the subjects they were teaching me. And I loved them as individuals.

That was Bolton. David Teague, is the exact opposite to Bolton, not as a human being, there is no difference there, but as someone who can impart in simple easy to understand terms, what he requires of the players. And the results, at this point in time, speak for themselves.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 22: Carlton vs St Kilda
Post by: Lods on August 19, 2019, 05:41:03 pm
See its really easy.

If you are coached by anyone, they are part of why you are today.

Sometimes players develop skills because of a coach, some of them will develop skills in spite of them.  Either way, both coaches make an impact on their careers.  Its folly to attribute anything to one coach.

Just adding to that...not all players respond to the same coach in the same way.
For some a coach can be a significant figure in their development, yet the same coach can be a disaster for another player who may just switch off to his message.
So it's never a case of "one coach fits all players"

Title: Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 22: Carlton vs St Kilda
Post by: Baggers on August 19, 2019, 06:11:52 pm
On the relative contributions of Bolton, SOS and Teague...

It's really something we need to wait a bit longer to determine.
We're having a bit of a euphoric period just at the moment and the blue goggles are working overtime...but consider this...

Teague's coaching abilities will be tested during a full season in different ways.
Everything so far has been positive and hopefully he is able to meet any challenge that comes his way.

One of those will be the use and development of our younger brigade because a reality of our current success is that it's not built on the back of our youth.
It's a combination of youth and experience and in fact the major movers, and most consistent,  have been players like Cripps, Murphy, Kreuzer, Simpson, Jones, Levi, Thomas, Ed Curnow.
None of which were recruited by Silvagni, and many of whom are playing much  better football under Teague than they did under Bolton.

Of the young ones the best of them  like Weitering, Walsh, Curnow, Harry, SPS were early draft picks.
But there are successes further down the list with some trades and acquisitions now looking like they'll be good players.
Consistency of the young ones is probably what needs to develop.

When most of the old crew give way to the young ones in two or three years time that's when the success of Silvagni's strategy can be really judged.

In Bolton's case....Unfortunately he'll get little credit (apart from maybe a few hard core supporters) because the young player's best football is still ahead of them and Teague will get the credit for their performances.

BB, no doubt, imparted important defensive lessons... lessons that will serve all our blokes well for the remainder of their careers. However, he also played too many out of position and subjected them to a confusing game plan and failure on a regular basis (see Crippa's comments re almost giving it up) which was not good for the player or club.

If DT gets credit for future good performances then it is very likely that that will be deserved at he will have been the one to bring it out of said player; he will have created the environment and culture where maturing players can show their best. But we're getting ahead of ourselves - he's a long way to go to get us into serious contention.

The sentimentality toward BB is nice but misplaced. In hindsight he was probably ideal for two years, to transition the side, to limit hidings while SOS rebuilt the list. When he identified the need for an offensive layer at the beginning of last year, we played about 15 minutes of strong offensive footy in the first game, then when challenged we withdrew into our shells, to remain there until a different approach was undertaken a couple of months back.

If MM or Pagan or even Ratts had delivered the identical record to BB they'd have been sacked earlier than half way through this year. Because BB is nice and friendly with a lovely smile we cut him far more slack than a surly MM or Pagan. In reality, I strongly suspect that BB would make an excellent welfare director at a club (might seem like feint praise, but I'm actually serious).
Title: Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 22: Carlton vs St Kilda
Post by: cookie2 on August 19, 2019, 06:34:37 pm
@ Baggers

BB is gorn and I'm glad. And to quote Forrest Gump, "That's all I've got to say about that".
Title: Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 22: Carlton vs St Kilda
Post by: townsendcalling on August 19, 2019, 06:46:52 pm
Bolton's background is as a teacher, and as such, he was, as some teachers have the capacity to do, able to get close to his young students in a caring nurturing way, inviting them to his home for barbecues, meals etc.

I think that’s why the players were genuinely disappointed with what happened to him. Not that his game plan or messaging were great, but he was simply a good bloke, who was invested in them and the club for all the right reasons and left with dignity. Just not up to the job.

Not sure the North boys could boast about having the same affection for Scott.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 22: Carlton vs St Kilda
Post by: DJC on August 19, 2019, 10:07:23 pm
I think that’s why the players were genuinely disappointed with what happened to him. Not that his game plan or messaging were great, but he was simply a good bloke, who was invested in them and the club for all the right reasons and left with dignity. Just not up to the job.

Not sure the North boys could boast about having the same affection for Scott.

Bolts was at Marvel Stadium for Roughead's farewell game with his little girl in her Marc Murphy guernsey. I suspect that he is still a Bluebagger at heart.

I read the first version of Crippa's article in which he commended Bolton for doing the heavy lifting to address the mess that our club was in when he was appointed.  I'm not sure why that was edited out  :-\
Title: Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 22: Carlton vs St Kilda
Post by: jeza on August 20, 2019, 05:43:06 am
I think BB stopped listening to his assistants.

I have absolutely no doubt he'd have had more wins if he let Teague set up the forward line the way he wanted.

The pressure ramps up as the losses mount and he got more and more controlling as a result.

Lovely bloke but just not a great coach.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 22: Carlton vs St Kilda
Post by: LP on August 20, 2019, 08:30:48 am
I think BB stopped listening to his assistants.

I have absolutely no doubt he'd have had more wins if he let Teague set up the forward line the way he wanted.

The pressure ramps up as the losses mount and he got more and more controlling as a result.

Lovely bloke but just not a great coach.

Don't know if any such speculation is correct, we don't know the dynamic, Teague or some other assistant could also just as easily have been eating away at the foundations.

Football clubs are funny places, it's never simple.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 22: Carlton vs St Kilda
Post by: madbluboy on August 20, 2019, 08:51:01 am
I think that’s why the players were genuinely disappointed with what happened to him. Not that his game plan or messaging were great, but he was simply a good bloke, who was invested in them and the club for all the right reasons and left with dignity. Just not up to the job.

Not sure the North boys could boast about having the same affection for Scott.

The North players were balling their eyes out in the rooms.

Our boys liked Bolton but they were losing faith in his game style.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 22: Carlton vs St Kilda
Post by: JonHenry on August 20, 2019, 12:54:13 pm
I think BB stopped listening to his assistants.


And Walls
Title: Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 22: Carlton vs St Kilda
Post by: Baggers on August 20, 2019, 01:08:23 pm
Don't know if any such speculation is correct, we don't know the dynamic, Teague or some other assistant could also just as easily have been eating away at the foundations.

Football clubs are funny places, it's never simple.

You and your conspiracies, Spotted One. Your house is the only one in the street with an aluminium foil roof, right? Jokes, Spotted One, just kidding mate...  ;) ;) :)  ;D
Title: Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 22: Carlton vs St Kilda
Post by: LP on August 20, 2019, 01:10:17 pm
You and your conspiracies, Spotted One. Your house is the only one in the street with an aluminium foil roof, right? Jokes, Spotted One, just kidding mate...  ;) ;) :)  ;D

We can joke, but the fortunes of a club will affect the incomes of those involved, if some think they are about to bite it or are wearing the blame unjustly all sorts of stuff goes down!

Which is why it's valid to ask questions about the long term survivors of such turmoil, can the survivors really be blame free? Many a captain has gone down with the ship because of somebody else's error!

It's interesting, easy to blame the coach, and I myself stated after Cripps revelations that BB was to blame for not seeing or being able to address that situation causing a guy like Cripps to question his future. But you can invert that argument as ask why did it take the coach being kiboshed before the players let go of the past failures? I've always told any people I coach or captain that the first step to your next success is letting go the failures of the past, it's absolutely imperative in high level sport that you learn from but do not carry with you earlier failures as they create doubt and build pressure.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 22: Carlton vs St Kilda
Post by: cookie2 on August 20, 2019, 01:40:24 pm
You and your conspiracies, Spotted One. Your house is the only one in the street with an aluminium foil roof, right? Jokes, Spotted One, just kidding mate...  ;) ;) :)  ;D

Knew the Kevin Rudd foil loft insulation scheme had an ulterior purpose!  :))