The Cameo King. In a side trying to put 4 qtrs together a bloke with obvious concentration/focus issues can be more of a hindrance than help. I saw one episode against the Pussycats where he did well to gain possession but with so little awareness/comprehension of what was around him, ran straight into trouble when he had time, if he had the awareness, to lay off the aggott to a team mate.
Fisher seems like a proper replacement for Cuningham until he gets his concentration issues, sorted.
Josh Honey seems to be the one for moi. Along with Philp.
Great to read that Kennedy had a great game and used his physicality.
Encouraging to read that once Stocker got into the game he did well and also used his physicality.
Some proper pressure being applied to senior blokes... we like that.
Cunningham is a real tease. Good size, kicks the ball fluently, is a goal kicker and has pace... But only plays five minutes here and there. What he does is good but he needs to do a lot more and contribute more consistently
The Cameo King. In a side trying to put 4 qtrs together a bloke with obvious concentration/focus issues can be more of a hindrance than help. I saw one episode against the Pussycats where he did well to gain possession but with so little awareness/comprehension of what was around him, ran straight into trouble when he had time, if he had the awareness, to lay off the aggott to a team mate.
Fisher seems like a proper replacement for Cuningham until he gets his concentration issues, sorted.
9 Levi Casboult (CARL) 7 Marc Pittonet (CARL) 5 Patrick Cripps (CARL) 4 Jacob Weitering (CARL) 3 Eddie Betts (CARL) 1 Gary Rohan (GEEL) 1 Sam Docherty (CARL)
I wonder how different those votes would have been had the Pussycats kicked a goal in the last seconds and won?
Anyone who doubts our game plan, most of our cattle and the recruiting of Edwardo have been quieted. That's not to say we don't still have much to work on. We sure do. Especially concentration and focus and ruthlessness for 4 qtrs.
But... we beat a good side (not great, as they may believe), in good form on their dunghill and their dunghill is a fortress.
Positives: Additions - Edwardo, Jack and Mr Pitts. The influence on our forward line and club in general of Edwardo Betts cannot be underestimated. Players will learn so much from his smarts and composure in the final minutes.
Gibbons. Especially early when there was fair-dinkum heat, he was in-and-under doing the hard things and helped in no small way, set the tone.
Good glimpses from Willo, especially breaking a tackle to lay off a good handball.
Don't underestimate the ability of Mr Pitts to put the wind up opponents. Applies excellent pressure and 2nd efforts. And Jack Martin's smarts and skills have certainly improved our club... significantly.
Loved our pressure and at last, good decisions and execution under pressure. And our ability to change gears when challenged, particularly in the first 3 qtrs.
But... concerns: again with the 3 qtrs!!!! And still not sold on Cuningham, Newnes, SOJ & H (something not quite right with the lad). Not sure what Setters job was but still waiting for him to show what made him a top 5 draft selection.
"Racially motivated hate crime The federal government publishes a list annually of Hate Crime Statistics, 2009.[61] Also published by the federal government is the Known Offender's Race by Bias Motivation, 2009.[62] According to the Federal Bureau of Investigation Uniform Crime Report database, in 2010 58.6% of reported hate crime offenders were white, 18.4% of offenders were black, 8.9% were of individuals of multiple races and 1% of offenders were indigenous Americans (Hispanics were not separately delineated).[63] The report also reveals that 48% of all hate crime offenders were motivated by the victim's race, while 18% were based on the victim's religion, and another 18% were based on the victim's sexual orientation.[64] The report states that among hate crime offenses motivated by race, 70% were composed of anti-black bias, while 17.7% were of anti-white bias, and 5% were of anti-Asian or Pacific Islander bias."
What a sad indictment on we humans. Difference is so frightening to too many... with so many unhealthy reactions. The blue eye brown eye exercise by Jane Elliott decades ago clearly showed how quickly we go to judgement and condemnation based on colour!!!
I think you will find the cattle available plays a far greater role than any coach in achieving success. If you look at tonight's GWS v the Dishlickers game you'll very clearly see the importance and significance of strong coaching/leadership.
Too early to tell is what I've been saying for a few pages, but the evidence submitted so far is not that great.
And how exactly is LoGiudice better than Sticks (not that Sticks was that great) ? - ineffectual, nebbish already presided over 2 mid season sackings, and involved as a board member in a third.
Black lives do matter and so do white lives, this video shows how out of control things have become. We all agree their is no place for racism but it doesnt mean open season on white folk either. The Police didnt charge the offenders and I reckon you can join the dots why...do we really want Australia being like the USA?
PS...Been told since the girl concerned is alleged to be no saint either, but this attack had nothing to do with any previous activities and was unprovoked.
Sheesh, this is horrible but not about racism. It's about we humans. So many of us, when confronted by a violent injustice, resort to more violence to resolve the problem. I feel the same, but retaliation only breeds more resentment... then more violence. And so the cycle of stupidity and violence continues.
I'm not making a call right now. I think you are - read back over your posts, plenty of 'calls' in there. But facts are facts, and in the realm of educated opinion, there isn't one thing that I see in the current regime that is much better than any of the previous ones. Too early to tell. Not one. Does anyone really think that Teague, long term, will be better than anyone else ? Too early to tell, but I hope he's more successful than a few of his predecessors! That Lloyd will be better than McKay ? Hope so... too early to tell. That Liddle will be better than Trigg ? Probably is already, delivering on the bottom line big time and chooses to live in Victoria... good indicators! LoGiudice better than Kernahan ? By a mile. And don't get me started on the board. Okay, I won't get you started on the Board.
I think you will find the cattle available plays a far greater role than any coach in achieving success. Disagree. It's not an either/or situation. You need both to be really successful and establish the right culture. Though I believe the leadership provided by superior coaching is the best first step. For a while you could be fooled into thinking we had a factory assembly line, where we could produce (or purchase) stars seemingly at will. Which is not in any way to suggest that those teams weren't skilled, didn't train hard etc. But good players make a massive difference. Naturally, but if not well led it'll be a waste. You won't find teams from the 60's to the 80's that were more star studded than ours. And in 1980, we were star-studded but poorly coached and crashed out of the finals, big time. Also around the same time Tom Hafey was taking an ordinary list into grand finals, year in, year out. In fact, he took over a wooden spoon group and the following year got them into the GF. Whether we like it or not, leadership is a key, on and off the field.
Pagan was chosen arbitrarily - you could nominate any of our coaches over the last 2 decades and the answer would be the same. And the most critical and important voices at the club have not changed since Pagan - by which i mean power brokers and other influencers with deep pockets. And compare our board to Essendon's. Looks like a cheer squad in comparison.
I'm not calling anyone to the stocks - simply stating historical fact.
And Bolton was given 3 1/2 years.
Ah, this has been quite a dance, Pauly.
Okay, if you check the history books you'll see that the 'Carlton way' of choosing/appointing senior coaches hadn't changed until your boy, BB, was chosen by a selection committee. It probably started in the mid 60s when the CFC broke the mold with the brilliant and risky appointment of Ronald Dale Barassi - worked alright. The appointment of the 'Hawthorn bloke', David Alex Parkin, was also out of left field and didn't do too badly for us either. We just didn't know when to ease up on that approach... and also throw away the brown paper bag system!
Unfortunately we didn't move with the times which has cost us dearly, in fact we probably only caught up about 5 years ago. (And if you don't think other clubs have wealthy 'influencers' behind the scenes, you wouldn't be right).
As I said before, it's just too early to make a call on us right now, we're a work in progress new to the modern way of doing things. Patience, Grasshopper, patience.
We tried winning games in the here and the now under Pagan - get any recycled, desperado, washed up has been, as long they have experience and just cobble together a team to get a season like 2004, which falls apart very soon thereafter.
The big rebuild idea (in place before Bolton got there, for those who have no interest in historical fact), was based on the rather appealing notion of building a culture of sustained success. Whether or not it was successful, whether or not it was a good idea, is besides the point. It was a long term strategy, and much like the guy at uni who puts up with crap cars and takeaway food whilst they study, in order to get a better job and better life later, in our case you have to take a few hits along the way. This is very different to embracing failure or being disinterested in winning.
The reason we have been down for so long is because the ENTIRE CLUB, from TOP TO BOTTOM, is NOT GOOD ENOUGH. It has nothing to do with accepting failure, embracing mediocrity, forgetfulness or any other dubious idea that fans latch onto. The entire club knows and has always known exactly why the players take the field - nobody has forgotten anything. The club in toto is simply not good enough to win.
Come on, Pauly, no one here has suggested anything like 'embracing failure' or 'being disinterested in winning.' Fck ups? Yep, there's been plenty of those but realised mainly in hindsight.
Raking over the Pagan era coals really doesn't serve any useful purpose as just about every position at the club now is very different to then.
And as for the 'entire club not being good enough,' it's way too early to make that call. The TT senior coaching career thus far is measured in games and weeks! We gave your boy 4 years, let's at least give the TT 18 months or so!
The CEO, Head of Footy and the raft of other new-to-the-role folks have barely got their tootsies under the desk... let's at least give them until the end of the year before calling them to the stocks!
The put down was directed at clubs who think that setting winning as a goal is some sort of powerful, never before thought of idea that will inspire the players to greater heights and put the club ahead of the pack, as if somehow the players hadn't already figured this out or may have forgotten. It's as idiotic as telling them to put on their jumpers. Has there ever been a team / coach anywhere in the AFL/VFL that has said it's no biggie if the team loses ?
If you play poker, you can have all the skills and pep talks in the world - you can't win with a losing hand, which is my point about reality.
No-one is saying that by stating that only winning is acceptable, that wins will magically materialise. You couldn't really have thought we meant that. I'll try another approach. By stating that only winning is acceptable you are setting a new standard for us on how to achieve 'winning' where it had NOT been a clearly stated primary objective for us, for some years. When 'winning' takes centre stage, then the focus, the efforts and strategies turn to just that rather than simply 'growth & learning' (and other cliches) from games. That's what stating our goal of winning does, creates clarity and raises expectation... and you soon learn who can help you achieve that and who cannot.
When you say that no coach would say that losing is no biggie, well, let me remind you that winning was not a priority under BB. Losing was acceptable as we were rebuilding. We wanted to win, but accepted that with such huge changes of personnel that that would be increasingly difficult, hence searching for positives in the constant losing... hence green shoots, growth, learning etc. BUT losing became ingrained and habitual to the point where we are now fighting our way through those years of low W/L expectations. Now our expectations are high and clearly stated, as they should be.
As for your poker metaphor, I really think that assuming we are holding a losing hand is premature and unnecessarily defeatist. And remember, it's not only what you're dealt but perhaps even more so how you play (your hand).
