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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Last Practice Match v Sydney
Just checking to see who's paying attention, I assume ?
A bit of that....and probnably suggesting those three would have made a goal or two difference.
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A bit of that....and probnably suggesting those three would have made a goal or two difference.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Last Practice Match v Sydney
Was at a wake and only able to follow through the scores on the phone
Thought Cripps was pretty ineffective, Harry presented well but was let down by the service from the midfield and Walsh probably needed another week before he played.
Keeping it in perspective...
My usual take at this time of the year is that practice match form is pretty meaningless.
It's a time for experimentation and giving fringe players an opportunity.
Experienced players pace themselves and operate at a much reduced level...just shaking out the cobwebs.
Yep, we can look back to times when we won the pre-season and ended up having poor years.
I do think though, that in recent years the pre-season form has often exposed some areas of weakness that need addressing and have become more relevant.
I suspect though that we'll probably go with a bit of caution in the first round and play a side that resembles the best we can put together from available 2022 players+ Acres.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: General Discussions
I guess the joke means different things to different people. I never regarded it as an allusion to S&M sex or torture. To me, it played with “nailed” having the literal meaning and a secondary meaning of being f*cked. He was saying he loves a guy he can nail for 3 days solid who will come back for more. And he was marrying that up with Jesus being nailed on the cross for 3 days. I didn’t take that as suggesting Jesus was gay or had been “nailed” in the secondary sense. It was just an absurd play on words which worked by subverting expectations. I’m sure he enjoyed tweaking the tail of his homophobic critics but I don’t see the joke as attacking Christianity or Christians. On the other hand, Jimmy Carr’s jokes flat out say religion is just fantasy and magical thinking. You’d think they’d be seen as a far more serious insult.
I probably didn't phrase part of that well.
'Link' was probably not the right word.
There's no suggestion of S&M
I saw it exactly as you suggested, a play on the word 'nailed'.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: General Discussions
The Project declares jokes about Jesus are off limits. Are we okay with that? The Age.
Interesting that the project would go with that course of action.
There are 'Jesus jokes' and there are 'Jesus jokes'.
Back in the 70's (so the story goes), when Peter Hudson was at the peak of his powers a local minister put on his sign at the front of the church.
"What would you do if Christ came to Hawthorn?"
Someone had written underneath...
"Move Hudson to Centre Half Forward."
I guess back in the day that still would have upset a few folks but...
The implication was that Christ was greater than Hudson....even at football.
On the other hand we have this project joke (told by a guy in drag make up...important only because of some questions I'll put later) that seeks to link the suffering in arguably the most painful and drawn out method of execution with sexual gratification.
It triggers a lot of people.
One joke glorifies Jesus, the other not so much.... but it appears the ban is an all encompassing one. (I can't see the article).
Lot's of layers in this.
Would a joke like this have gone differently with prominent figures in other religions?
(I think we can safely guess there would have been outrage in Islam).
Had the teller of the joke been more famous, like a Ru Paul, would the outrage have been greater or less?
What if the teller wasn't dressed in drag make-up?
Where did the main anger and outrage come from...churches, shock jocks the general public?
Is the response something of a case of an opportunity to hit back at what some see as the "woke" culture? ( a push back against the push)?
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: General Discussions
This is where the difference between punching up and punching down comes in. However much some Christians might see themselves as some put upon minority, the Church still has considerable power (as The Project’s backdown amply demonstrates). And with Christian Nationalism creating problems overseas, I don’t want to see them getting more political power over here.
But the 'Church' isn't one entity...it's dozens of different branches.
Some more influential than others
Some more moderate than others.
Some quite 'evil' in their past dealings.
And they don't always see eye to eye.
There are Christians killing Christians in Ukraine at the moment.
My religious acquaintances are quite liberal and moderate in their thinking.
They vote Labor and even Green in some cases, they supported the same sex-marriage vote, and other equality causes.
They don't take extreme positions, but keep their faith and attend church and try to live their lives as good folks.
They would hardly have batted an eyelid over the project joke.
I suspect that outrage was more driven by the Andrew Bolts and Paul Murrays of the world.
Minorities have been oppressed, derided and joked about in the past.
But decency and respect isn't just the right of the minority.
It should be for everyone.
I suspect Jesus would have been more at home at Woodstock than in a church.
(The music's better)
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: General Discussions
If you don't have a lot of time for religion and specifically the Christian faith you would probably consider outrage at the project joke is over the top.
I had a look at it and it made me smile...that was the extent of my reaction.
Mild amusement.
But if I was more invested in the faith my reaction would probably have been very different.
It's not one size fits all and it's complicated and enhanced by individuals like 'shock jocks' who use the outrage to push their own agendas.
As I've mentioned previously at the heart of a lot of comedy is taking real life situations or individuals and making subtle changes or complete exaggerations to create a comedic scenario or alternative reality.
I like the 'Life of Brian'...the "Biggus Dickus" scenes are some of the funniest bits I've ever seen.
But Brian isn't Jesus.
If the movie had been the "Life of Jesus" how would it have gone down.
"The Producers" doesn't glorify the Nazi Party it mocks it.
It was a way Brooks and his mates could fight back, albeit years later, and ridicule that regime and its ideology.
The only ones who would have been truly offended by singing, dancing Nazi's in a chorus line would have been... a Nazi.
But it was an edgy, risky idea...that just happened to come off.
That's what comedy is.
Push the boundaries.
You'll please some folks and find an audience but you will understandably upset others.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: General Discussions
A lot of the arguments are based around the 'extreme'...right wing nut jobs, religious terrorists.
They're not really the masses.
I'm pretty sure that there would be many christian folk who would probably have regarded the joke as unfunny (I know a few who probably would have had a chuckle)...but that would be the extent of their outrage.
At the extreme end of the scale there would be some that would be incensed.
Here's the dilemma...
At the basis of a lot of comedy is the exaggeration and stereotyping of individuals, groups and situations.
We can make the argument that many groups have been the target of 'poor' jokes in the past.
Why shouldn't they get the opportunity to hit back, in a similar fashion, at what they might regard as strange, even absurd beliefs?
The thing is that those old racial and sexual barbs had a sting.
They were often hurtful to the targets.
Now what might seem to be a pretty inoffensive religious quip to us might carry a bit of extra sting to someone who regards their faith as important.
The degree of hurt may vary considerably from individual to individual....from mild dismissal to rage.
Which leaves us with a couple of ethical questions.
Is it OK that a comedic attack on a belief or way of life is justified because the followers of that belief have previously enjoyed humour at the expense of another's beliefs or way of life?
The pandora's box that flows from that is...where do you draw the line with comedy and is that line constantly moving?
Who decides which groups have to 'grin and bear it.'?
How does comedy survive the constant need to change and reinvent itself, or do we just sanitise the lot?
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: General Discussions
In the case of religion some will have a chuckle at a joke directed at their religion, others will be incensed and outraged.
It all depends on the strength of feeling and that's a very personal thing.
So for the 'comedian' there is always going to be a case of 'did they go to far'.
But comedy has always been about 'pushing the edge'
The really funny thing is that some things that 'pushed the edge' thirty or forty years ago and would possibly have got you arrested, would seem tame by today's standards... and yet other subjects are now considered off limits.
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Notice Board (Visitors Enter Here) / Re: Hello? Can you read this?? PLEASE VOTE IN OUR SITE POLL.
So we'll bump this up again to get their input.
The other thing is a facebook page has been set up with a couple of aims.
1) To provide information and continuity during times when the gremlins get into the main site and cause us a bit of grief.
2) To widen exposure and act as conduit to the main forum. The hope is folks will migrate through the facebook page to more in depth discussion on the forum.
You can see it here
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If anyone has other suggestions for broadening our membership feel free to toss up the ideas.
Lastly and most importantly....our long term viability is by no means guaranteed.
If folks could just go back to the first couple of pages of this thread....we have an ongoing problem with site maintenance and upkeep.
At the moment the problems seem to be spaced out but the reality is they are likely to become more common.
We really need to address this issue.
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Ladies Lounge / Re: Carlton AFLW Review - Half Gone
I don't know if you are commenting on the recent announcements or if your timing is just a coincidence.
In any event, the AFLW have announced that the 4 new teams that raped and pillaged everyone last year get further concessions.
You may remember we lost Prespakis and Gee to the Bombers and as compensation we got to KEEP our first round pick.
Well it appears that those same teams can steal more players from teams. This time the amount of players depends on your finishing position. Due to us coming in the lower ladder region, we can only lose 1 additional player.
Nothing of note coming from our camp as yet, but Chloe Molloy has jumped ship to Sydney under these rules.
Talk of Jamie Lambert and Steph Chiocci heading to the Saints in a trade for Tarni White as well.
Steph should come to Carlton...or at least to the forum
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Practice Match: Blues v Pies, Fri 24 Feb
There seemed to be a reasonable amount of intensity for a practice game.
Yep, nothing like a real match, but both sides were having a dip.
We shouldn't forget, much as it pains me to say it, that the opposition are a very good side and are probably one of three we'll be playing against in the last couple of games of the year
It was a clear the cobwebs, lets try a few things game.
Our best ruckman was playing seconds football.
We'll be better for the run.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading)
Emily Kohrs is either incredibly stupid or a big Trump fan.
99% A
1% B
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: It wouldn't surprise me if....
It wouldn't surprise me if Brodie Kemp cements a place in the 22 this season.
His cameos last season were pretty good under difficult circumstances and he's had an uninterrupted build up to the season. It will probably depend on whether he can show the marking prowess that made him a standout as a junior. If so, his step, acceleration and delivery could be just what our defence needs.
Looked like a 'beast' in a pic I saw earlier today.
But they all look like beasts at this time of year, all bulked up....it's 'puppy' muscle.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: It wouldn't surprise me if....
But deep down...I knew.
We're a pessimistic lot.
20 years in the wilderness will do that to you....and at this time of year injuries will always get the main focus.
Good news stories take a back seat.
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Robert Heatley Stand / It wouldn't surprise me if....
This year the expectations will be pretty high. Finals is probably the 'lowest' the bar is set and maybe, just maybe we'll go all the way.
This thread is a bit of a no-judgement thread. We may have something in the back of our mind that we think is probably unlikely but "it wouldn't surprise us" if it did happen.
It can be an individual player, coach, team or club thought.
It can be as wild as you like, (funny as you like), improbable as you like, good or bad.
So to kick it off...
I didn't watch a lot of VFL last year but in the games I did see, one player struck me as having little impact, having few possessions and looking a bit out of his depth....but this guy was an 'almost' player.
That spectacular marking attempt 'almost' came off. If only he hadn't taken that extra step, if only he'd given off the ball a little earlier, if only he hadn't fumbled.
It will be interesting to see if some of these things have improved over the off-season and they do start to come off.
If they do.....
It wouldn't surprise me if Dom Akuei plays senior football this year.