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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 18 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane
Last post by ElwoodBlues1 -
Well he is currently playing like he doesn't give a F so he's getting some practise in early.

Toms money straight to Rohan.  Done.
Cam Twomey mentioned that scenario of Marshall being offered around 900k by us which would be a tidy sum more than he gets at the Saints. Would he want to come though if Premierships are a priority, Twomey also mentioned Geelong as a possible new home.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 18 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane
Last post by ElwoodBlues1 -
Marshall isn't as flashy but he's a reliable footballer - exactly what we need right now.  Don't know how we'd wangle it though.
He wont stay when Tom arrives so he'll want out, only question is whether he'd entertain us or wants to go to Sth Australia. If he's interested, should be too hard to satisfy him.
Geelong...
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 18 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane
Last post by Lods -
Not every North player was enamoured about Pagan and his methods. I've heard Adam Simpson describe some of his "coaching" in less than glowing terms and Corey McKernan was not a fan either - he left to come to us, and checked out again when Pagan came across to us.  There's two examples straight off the bat.
Kouta writes about it in detail in his book.  It was 1980s hard ass coaching for a 2000s group that didn't respond to that approach.  Some people would call them "soft", others would say they were independent enough to not unthinkingly swallow abuse and BS.
Pagan was the kind of coach you played to spite, not to because he was your mate.

I'm 2 pages behind, so sorry if this has been mentioned...
Pagan and Malthouse had long stints at their previous clubs, the entire list was "theirs" so players either bought in or withered and died.
When you transplant those "old" coaches to a new environment, straight away you get 40 guys saying to themselves "he cant talk to me like that, Ive played my whole career here and hes been here 5 mins "

I think that was probably the case with Pagan.
We were in something of a transition  period, with many of our players from a successful time under Parkin and to some extent Brittain nearing the end of their careers.
The younger group from that mid 1990 era had experienced a pretty successful time. They'd also been mentored by a very talented older group.
There seemed to have been a strong connection to Brittain and the injury riddled 2002 season probably came as a bit of unexpected shock to everyone

So when the poor finish and the upheavel came at the end of the year and as older players started to depart rather quickly in the following period to be replaced by a bit of a foreign legion it would have been a pretty unsettled environment.
Into that mix throw a "my way, or the highway coach" like Pagan and it's not hard to understand the resentment.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 18 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane
Last post by northernblue -
Not every North player was enamoured about Pagan and his methods. I've heard Adam Simpson describe some of his "coaching" in less than glowing terms and Corey McKernan was not a fan either - he left to come to us, and checked out again when Pagan came across to us.  There's two examples straight off the bat.
Kouta writes about it in detail in his book.  It was 1980s hard ass coaching for a 2000s group that didn't respond to that approach.  Some people would call them "soft", others would say they were independent enough to not unthinkingly swallow abuse and BS.
Pagan was the kind of coach you played to spite, not to because he was your mate.

I'm 2 pages behind, so sorry if this has been mentioned...
Pagan and Malthouse had long stints at their previous clubs, the entire list was "theirs" so players either bought in or withered and died.
When you transplant those "old" coaches to a new environment, straight away you get 40 guys saying to themselves "he cant talk to me like that, Ive played my whole career here and hes been here 5 mins "