Sunday June 22 1.10pm
Spotless Stadium
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We should be able to maintain the strangle for longer. Should win.
Will be in a bit of trouble with Patton and Cameron up forward if Jamo cant make it.
Watson, I think, is no longer an option down there,. as he's just been plain embarrassing in his two AFL games this year.
Going to be tough...GWS have plenty of talent onball and up forward but are more light on down back.......hopefully we can play 4 quarters this week and sneak home by a couple of goals...
Thought Rowe was superb v Roughead and the Hawks. Took contested marks (3) and also many hard tough spoils. Easily one of our best and I am rapt for the bloke. Has a way to go but he is one bloke on our list, moreso in our senior lineup, that I can say has made significant strides forward and as a key defender too! He'll take a Cameron or Patton. Reckon if he has Patton he'll own him. Cameron is a tough one but if he's getting his marks and kicks further afield I'm happy with that.
Thought Rowe was superb v Roughead and the Hawks. Took contested marks (3) and also many hard tough spoils. Easily one of our best and I am rapt for the bloke. Has a way to go but he is one bloke on our list, moreso in our senior lineup, that I can say has made significant strides forward and as a key defender too! He'll take a Cameron or Patton. Reckon if he has Patton he'll own him. Cameron is a tough one but if he's getting his marks and kicks further afield I'm happy with that.
Yeah thought he did ok also, although the week before was taken to task by Hawkins.
What I like about his game, is that the Mick Martyn type panic bombing out of defence seems to have erased from his game.
Blues by 4 goals....um....GWs by 2 goals.....um.............
Thought Rowe was superb v Roughead and the Hawks. Took contested marks (3) and also many hard tough spoils. Easily one of our best and I am rapt for the bloke. Has a way to go but he is one bloke on our list, moreso in our senior lineup, that I can say has made significant strides forward and as a key defender too! He'll take a Cameron or Patton. Reckon if he has Patton he'll own him. Cameron is a tough one but if he's getting his marks and kicks further afield I'm happy with that.
Funny how not that long ago we were calling for his head to be rolled. I too think he played fantastic and I think, after a few more weeks he will have cemented his spot as an integral part of our backline.
Thought Rowe was superb v Roughead and the Hawks.
Roughead kicked 3.3 and had 14 or 15 touches, if it had been 5.1 we'd be singing a different tune.
I thought Rowe went OK but superb is not a word I would have used.
We will win easily. Did anybody read about the fuss the GWS players made because their 3AM pizzas were delayed at their hotel? They have big heads. Reminds me of a team I used to know in the late naughties. ::)
Will be in a bit of trouble with Patton and Cameron up forward if Jamo cant make it.
Watson, I think, is no longer an option down there,. as he's just been plain embarrassing in his two AFL games this year.
Bit harsh writing Watson off on his 2 games this year. He was showing some really good signs at the end of last year before he got injured. He seems like a bit of a confidence player, as soon as he'd made a couple of mistakes on Friday night, he lost the plot. I'd like to see us give him a run of a few weeks, see if he can find some form.
Will be in a bit of trouble with Patton and Cameron up forward if Jamo cant make it.
Watson, I think, is no longer an option down there,. as he's just been plain embarrassing in his two AFL games this year.
Bit harsh writing Watson off on his 2 games this year. He was showing some really good signs at the end of last year before he got injured. He seems like a bit of a confidence player, as soon as he'd made a couple of mistakes on Friday night, he lost the plot. I'd like to see us give him a run of a few weeks, see if he can find some form.
I gave him up after one game.......probably the worst game I have seen from a defender......Sam Stosur doesnt commit as many unforced errors as Watto...
A lot of posters didnt go hard on him because there was some sadness in seeing the kid struggle and look so inept, I just dont see him being able to rebound after such a poor game.
Be a brave coach to play him this week, although the odds are he couldnt play any worse....
Will be in a bit of trouble with Patton and Cameron up forward if Jamo cant make it.
Watson, I think, is no longer an option down there,. as he's just been plain embarrassing in his two AFL games this year.
Bit harsh writing Watson off on his 2 games this year. He was showing some really good signs at the end of last year before he got injured. He seems like a bit of a confidence player, as soon as he'd made a couple of mistakes on Friday night, he lost the plot. I'd like to see us give him a run of a few weeks, see if he can find some form.
I gave him up after one game.......probably the worst game I have seen from a defender......Sam Stosur doesnt commit as many unforced errors as Watto...
A lot of posters didnt go hard on him because there was some sadness in seeing the kid struggle and look so inept, I just dont see him being able to rebound after such a poor game.
Be a brave coach to play him this week, although the odds are he couldnt play any worse....
If we wrote off all of our players after 1 or 2 bad games well hell, we wouldn't have a starting 22. I think Mick needs to give him the same chance he's given other duds in the list. I mean he persevered with Lucas a long time before he was no longer a regular in the team. Tuohy has barely played a good game all year. It took Rowe a while to warm up this season.
I know Watson is a handy whipping boy, but at the end of the day he's played about 10 AFL games. Give the kid a run until the end of the season so at least we know whether to keep him on for the last year of his contract. At this stage we've got nothing to lose. Personally I still think he could turn into something.
I know Watson is a handy whipping boy, but at the end of the day he's played about 10 AFL games. Give the kid a run until the end of the season so at least we know whether to keep him on for the last year of his contract. At this stage we've got nothing to lose. Personally I still think he could turn into something.
I don't know what gives you that idea.
I've never seen him play a decent senior game, at his best he's been passable, and the few times I've seen him in the VFL he's been unimpressive as well.
Some times ability as a junior just doesn't translate to senior football and I think Watson is a case in point, some tennis players win Wimbledon juniors and are never heard of again.
If Jamison and Henderson both miss again he'll probably get another go but if either of them are available he'll be back in the VFL.
Heartfelt and decent sentiments Maven, but this bloke's track record at the Northern Blues is very poor and does not auger well for a career at senior level.
The only way Watson will get a gig in defence is if we can find a suitable match up... and I don't see one right now. Up forward (where BTW he has spent very little time at Northern, so he is clearly not being developed with this in mind) as some have suggested but I remain sceptical.
I'm sorry but I don't ascribe to the theory of blokes doing better at the higher level(s) as the quality of delivery is better etc.... if they aren't a decent player at subsidiary levels then it is very unlikely that they will be a dominant player at an even higher level.
Thought Rowe was superb v Roughead and the Hawks.
Roughead kicked 3.3 and had 14 or 15 touches, if it had been 5.1 we'd be singing a different tune.
I thought Rowe went OK but superb is not a word I would have used.
It is for me. He beat Roughy one on one many times. Roughead also got touches in the midfield.
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Rowe had a very good game. Roughy is one of the best in the game .... My first player picked in the league. I thought he was generally under pressure from Rowe and he did not want to wrest with him by the end of the night.
Thought Rowe was superb v Roughead and the Hawks.
Roughead kicked 3.3 and had 14 or 15 touches, if it had been 5.1 we'd be singing a different tune.
I thought Rowe went OK but superb is not a word I would have used.
It is for me. He beat Roughy one on one many times. Roughead also got touches in the midfield.
Would have to agree, and wanted to mention myself about the touches when Roughy was playing in the midfield. Nobody is saying (much as MM did in his presser) that Rowe is a champion defender, but given the difference in class between him and Roughy, I thought he gave a very good account of himself. If he can play like that every week (and perhaps continue to improve), I would have no issue with him in the back 6.
Thought Rowe was superb v Roughead and the Hawks.
Roughead kicked 3.3 and had 14 or 15 touches, if it had been 5.1 we'd be singing a different tune.
I thought Rowe went OK but superb is not a word I would have used.
It is for me. He beat Roughy one on one many times. Roughead also got touches in the midfield.
Would have to agree, and wanted to mention myself about the touches when Roughy was playing in the midfield. Nobody is saying (much as MM did in his presser) that Rowe is a champion defender, but given the difference in class between him and Roughy, I thought he gave a very good account of himself. If he can play like that every week (and perhaps continue to improve), I would have no issue with him in the back 6.
He seems to be improving with each game, and growing in confidence. I loved his hit on Lewis and he may shake up one or two of the Suns.
Thought Rowe was superb v Roughead and the Hawks.
Roughead kicked 3.3 and had 14 or 15 touches, if it had been 5.1 we'd be singing a different tune.
I thought Rowe went OK but superb is not a word I would have used.
It is for me. He beat Roughy one on one many times. Roughead also got touches in the midfield.
Would have to agree, and wanted to mention myself about the touches when Roughy was playing in the midfield. Nobody is saying (much as MM did in his presser) that Rowe is a champion defender, but given the difference in class between him and Roughy, I thought he gave a very good account of himself. If he can play like that every week (and perhaps continue to improve), I would have no issue with him in the back 6.
He seems to be improving with each game, and growing in confidence. I loved his hit on Lewis and he may shake up one or two of the Suns.
**Giants
Would have to agree, and wanted to mention myself about the touches when Roughy was playing in the midfield. Nobody is saying (much as MM did in his presser) that Rowe is a champion defender, but given the difference in class between him and Roughy, I thought he gave a very good account of himself. If he can play like that every week (and perhaps continue to improve), I would have no issue with him in the back 6.
I thought he went OK as well, I took issue with Pratty saying he was superb because overall I thought he either broke even or Roughead had slightly the better of him, which is no disgrace.
Don't forget that Hawkins made him look like a suburban footballer the week before.
He's not a total spud, but he's a long way short of top class.
Would have to agree, and wanted to mention myself about the touches when Roughy was playing in the midfield. Nobody is saying (much as MM did in his presser) that Rowe is a champion defender, but given the difference in class between him and Roughy, I thought he gave a very good account of himself. If he can play like that every week (and perhaps continue to improve), I would have no issue with him in the back 6.
I thought he went OK as well, I took issue with Pratty saying he was superb because overall I thought he either broke even or Roughead had slightly the better of him, which is no disgrace.
Don't forget that Hawkins made him look like a suburban footballer the week before.
He's not a total spud, but he's a long way short of top class.
Roughy beat up Eric McKenzie so bad the week before he had to be moved in the first quarter.
McKenzie is considered as good as any KPD going around at the moment.
That Rowe got caught out a few times the week before makes his efforts against Roughy even more meritorious.
Thought Rowe was superb v Roughead and the Hawks.
Roughead kicked 3.3 and had 14 or 15 touches, if it had been 5.1 we'd be singing a different tune.
I thought Rowe went OK but superb is not a word I would have used.
It is for me. He beat Roughy one on one many times. Roughead also got touches in the midfield.
Would have to agree, and wanted to mention myself about the touches when Roughy was playing in the midfield. Nobody is saying (much as MM did in his presser) that Rowe is a champion defender, but given the difference in class between him and Roughy, I thought he gave a very good account of himself. If he can play like that every week (and perhaps continue to improve), I would have no issue with him in the back 6.
He seems to be improving with each game, and growing in confidence. I loved his hit on Lewis and he may shake up one or two of the Suns.
**Giants
You knew what I meant ::) Suns, Giants . . . they're all the same to me!
That Rowe got caught out a few times the week before makes his efforts against Roughy even more meritorious.
I'm not bagging him, I don't know why everyone is getting so defensive.
Sam Rowe is an honest trier and I like that in players, even after Hawkins towelled him up he didn't drop his head and kept having a crack, but let's be brutally honest.
Roughead still kicked 3.3 and had 14 or 15 touches, which is a good game from a key forward, Sam went OK on him but anyone who thinks he beat him is deluded.
Watson on the other hand made a couple of clangers early then went completely to pieces, he just hasn't got what it takes.
I thought he beat him but I also wondered what his game would have looked like if Rowe didn't come out on top :o
From memory Roughy scored at least one of the goals late in the game in junk time and didn't look like getting on top of Rowe until the game was well and truly over.. when the game was hot in the second and third quarters I thought Rowe more than matched him, which is really saying something considering the delivery Roughy got and the form he was currently in (eight last week). I don't see how anybody could be less than happy with Rowe's effort.... it wasn't like he had a lot of help.. in fact he got ZERO, which makes his work even more laudable.
Thought Rowe was superb v Roughead and the Hawks.
Roughead kicked 3.3 and had 14 or 15 touches, if it had been 5.1 we'd be singing a different tune.
I thought Rowe went OK but superb is not a word I would have used.
It is for me. He beat Roughy one on one many times. Roughead also got touches in the midfield.
Would have to agree, and wanted to mention myself about the touches when Roughy was playing in the midfield. Nobody is saying (much as MM did in his presser) that Rowe is a champion defender, but given the difference in class between him and Roughy, I thought he gave a very good account of himself. If he can play like that every week (and perhaps continue to improve), I would have no issue with him in the back 6.
He seems to be improving with each game, and growing in confidence. I loved his hit on Lewis and he may shake up one or two of the Suns.
**Giants
You knew what I meant ::) Suns, Giants . . . they're all the same to me!
Just being pedantic :P
Thought Rowe was superb v Roughead and the Hawks.
Roughead kicked 3.3 and had 14 or 15 touches, if it had been 5.1 we'd be singing a different tune.
I thought Rowe went OK but superb is not a word I would have used.
It is for me. He beat Roughy one on one many times. Roughead also got touches in the midfield.
Would have to agree, and wanted to mention myself about the touches when Roughy was playing in the midfield. Nobody is saying (much as MM did in his presser) that Rowe is a champion defender, but given the difference in class between him and Roughy, I thought he gave a very good account of himself. If he can play like that every week (and perhaps continue to improve), I would have no issue with him in the back 6.
He seems to be improving with each game, and growing in confidence. I loved his hit on Lewis and he may shake up one or two of the Suns.
**Giants
You knew what I meant ::) Suns, Giants . . . they're all the same to me!
Just being pedantic :P
I thought that was my job ;)
From memory Roughy scored at least one of the goals late in the game in junk time and didn't look like getting on top of Rowe until the game was well and truly over.. when the game was hot in the second and third quarters I thought Rowe more than matched him, which is really saying something considering the delivery Roughy got and the form he was currently in (eight last week). I don't see how anybody could be less than happy with Rowe's effort.... it wasn't like he had a lot of help.. in fact he got ZERO, which makes his work even more laudable.
...........an he won at least two battles of strength with Roughie, which is no easy task. Obviously Hawk is stronger but it would not surprise me if, having got pushed around by Hawkins the week before, he spent the week practicing that particular part of the game.
I wonder who worked with him?
Is there really any excuse for losing to this mob this weekend? I'm tipping 7 goals +.
Is there really any excuse for losing to this mob this weekend? I'm tipping 7 goals +.
Oh sheeet!
:D
If somebody worked with him CIMM then somebody deserves some kudos for doing their bloody job... something that has not been apparent around the place in recent years.
Will be in a bit of trouble with Patton and Cameron up forward if Jamo cant make it.
Watson, I think, is no longer an option down there,. as he's just been plain embarrassing in his two AFL games this year.
Bit harsh writing Watson off on his 2 games this year. He was showing some really good signs at the end of last year before he got injured. He seems like a bit of a confidence player, as soon as he'd made a couple of mistakes on Friday night, he lost the plot. I'd like to see us give him a run of a few weeks, see if he can find some form.
I gave him up after one game.......probably the worst game I have seen from a defender......Sam Stosur doesnt commit as many unforced errors as Watto...
A lot of posters didnt go hard on him because there was some sadness in seeing the kid struggle and look so inept, I just dont see him being able to rebound after such a poor game.
Be a brave coach to play him this week, although the odds are he couldnt play any worse....
If we wrote off all of our players after 1 or 2 bad games well hell, we wouldn't have a starting 22. I think Mick needs to give him the same chance he's given other duds in the list. I mean he persevered with Lucas a long time before he was no longer a regular in the team. Tuohy has barely played a good game all year. It took Rowe a while to warm up this season.
I know Watson is a handy whipping boy, but at the end of the day he's played about 10 AFL games. Give the kid a run until the end of the season so at least we know whether to keep him on for the last year of his contract. At this stage we've got nothing to lose. Personally I still think he could turn into something.
Never deny anyone a good whipping boy. They need something to make them feel good..lol!
Up to the end of 2013 he hadn't really put in a bad game in the seniors when he played. Did show something. Many forget that. This year his two games have been crap and re-opened people's perception of him.
Is there really any excuse for losing to this mob this weekend?
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Nice one MBB, but the adaptor on the barrel indicates that it's firing blanks ;)
Nice one MBB, but the adaptor on the barrel indicates that it's firing blanks ;)
Well chosen then DJC wasn't it? I think it's quite apt.
From memory Roughy scored at least one of the goals late in the game in junk time and didn't look like getting on top of Rowe until the game was well and truly over.. when the game was hot in the second and third quarters I thought Rowe more than matched him, which is really saying something considering the delivery Roughy got and the form he was currently in (eight last week). I don't see how anybody could be less than happy with Rowe's effort.... it wasn't like he had a lot of help.. in fact he got ZERO, which makes his work even more laudable.
Yep exactly Professor. Roughy got touches when he went into the midfield too so those 14 or 15 possessions were not all on Rowe anyway then a goal in junk time as you said. Rowe didn't rip Roughy a new one - but that Rowe was so competitive (without Jamison) and zero backup/support winning many 1-on-1's against Roughy and others spoiling hard, being physical KPD and even taking some good marks (3 x contested) is a great result. Like I said, thought Rowe was superb so credit where it's due. Hard to see how not.
Let's also remember that Luke Livingstone ripped Lloyd a new one and Sporn took Hird to the cleaners. It may well have been a nice match up for him so I wouldn't put him down for a permanent spot and the end of our KPD woes but it's encouraging
Let's also remember that Luke Livingstone ripped Lloyd a new one and Sporn took Hird to the cleaners. It may well have been a nice match up for him so I wouldn't put him down for a permanent spot and the end of our KPD woes but it's encouraging
Yep and not sure anyone is saying anything different to that.
Credit where credit's due. Gotta acknowledge that. He's got a way to go though.
Rowe's shown more as a KPD already than blokes like Livingston, Sporn, Bower, Hartlett, Watson, McCarthy and the like. Not a highly impressive bunch though. Like I said, he's got a way to go but handy thus far and seems to be noticeably improving each week IMO.
Rowe has been solid for a few weeks now, this was hardly a one off.
The noticeable improvement is encouraging and I enjoyed watching his game on Roughy.
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Jamo on radio last night declared both he and Hendo certain starters this weekend. Surely that means the end for White? Other obvious choice being everyone's best friend Watto. :P
Watson will go out, replaced by Jamo.
Hendo may be fit, but with his present (lack of) form he may well start in the VFL. He needs some work: it is what he gets for not having a preseason. Robbo is a fair chance to start at FF if Hendo does not come in: he did a pretty good job there against Hawthorn, with Judd taking his spot in the midfield.
It will be interesting to see if Graham holds his spot: he could well do with some senior game time. The other question is Cachia, who surely deserves a senior game. He has been dominating the VFL, but an we afford to play him when we have other slowish mids like Carrots and Broke (and Graham)?
Do we give Blaine Johnson a go? I wouldn't mind if we did. He has probably done enough to deserve a game. But who to go out?
The noticeable improvement is encouraging and I enjoyed watching his game on Roughy.
Agreed, if he and Everitt can hit form together with Docherty this year we have progressed. Got to be careful though or rating games on Roughy, he is red hot when he is hot but he is also as hot and cold as they come!
It will be interesting to see if Graham holds his spot: he could well do with some senior game time.
I would drop Mclean regardless and definitely keep Graham in.
It will be interesting to see if Graham holds his spot: he could well do with some senior game time.
I would drop Mclean regardless and definitely keep Graham in.
I think with Judd back, we won't be hurt as much by not having McLean in the side. Its a perfect game to let Graham show his wares.
Jamo <-> Watson
Hendo <-> McLean
That'd just about do me i think.
Wouldn't mind giving Johnson a game if someone else doesn't come up.
Jeremy Cameron is under an injury cloud and may not be part of Greater Western Sydney's push to complete back-to-back victories for the first time, against Carlton.
Cameron has been given a 70-30 chance of facing the Blues on Sunday at Spotless Stadium due to an ankle injury he suffered in the Giants' win over Brisbane last week.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/greater-western-sydney-giants-jeremy-cameron-in-doubt-to-face-carlton-blues-20140619-zsf29.html#ixzz354NbhpeD
Jeremy Cameron is under an injury cloud and may not be part of Greater Western Sydney's push to complete back-to-back victories for the first time, against Carlton.
Cameron has been given a 70-30 chance of facing the Blues on Sunday at Spotless Stadium due to an ankle injury he suffered in the Giants' win over Brisbane last week.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/greater-western-sydney-giants-jeremy-cameron-in-doubt-to-face-carlton-blues-20140619-zsf29.html#ixzz354NbhpeD
100/1 to play Sheik ;D ;D
100/1 to play Sheik ;D ;D
Not even, he won't be playing.
100/1 to play Sheik ;D ;D
Not even, he won't be playing.
O.k. he won't be playing even if they announce him in the team ::) ;)
Watson out.....YAY!!!!!!
Cameron named, but he either won't play or be injected more than the 34 players from the cheats. This won't help him.
A mate of mine watches GWS train coz he lives in the area. Cameron's ankle aint good.
Last updated:
8:31AM Thursday, June 19, 2014
GWS GIANTS
FOLLOWERS
41 Shane Mumford
7 Rhys Palmer
5 Dylan Shiel
CARLTON
FOLLOWERS
11 Robert Warnock
3 Marc Murphy
44 Andrew Carrazzo
FB 14 Tomas Bugg 1 Phil Davis 23 Heath Shaw
FF 2 Troy Menzel 41 Levi Casboult 5 Chris Judd
HB 32 Josh Hunt 39 Tim Mohr 48 Sam Frost
HF 39 Dale Thomas 30 Jarrad Waite 12 Mitch Robinson
C 33 Will Hoskin-Elliott 17 Adam Treloar 9 Tom Scully
C 6 Kade Simpson 4 Bryce Gibbs 33 Andrejs Everitt
HF 6 Lachlan Whitfield 12 Jonathon Patton 8 Callan Ward
HB 1 Andrew Walker 42 Zach Tuohy 13 Chris Yarran
FF 18 Jeremy Cameron 20 Adam Tomlinson 10 Devon Smith
FB 43 Simon White 17 Sam Rowe 40 Michael Jamison
INTERCHANGE FROM*
13 Tom Boyd
22 Joshua Kelly
3 Stephen Coniglio
40 Adam Kennedy
31 Jacob Townsend
34 Kristian Jaksch
16 Nathan Wilson
*Three to be omitted
INTERCHANGE FROM*
27 Dennis Armfield
35 Ed Curnow
15 Sam Docherty
32 Nick Graham
23 Lachie Henderson
45 Blaine Johnson
14 Brock McLean
*Three to be omitted
Last updated:
8:31AM Thursday, June 19, 2014
GWS GIANTS
FOLLOWERS
41 Shane Mumford
7 Rhys Palmer
5 Dylan Shiel
CARLTON
FOLLOWERS
11 Robert Warnock
3 Marc Murphy
44 Andrew Carrazzo
FB 14 Tomas Bugg 1 Phil Davis 23 Heath Shaw
FF 2 Troy Menzel 41 Levi Casboult 5 Chris Judd
HB 32 Josh Hunt 39 Tim Mohr 48 Sam Frost
HF 39 Dale Thomas 30 Jarrad Waite 12 Mitch Robinson
C 33 Will Hoskin-Elliott 17 Adam Treloar 9 Tom Scully
C 6 Kade Simpson 4 Bryce Gibbs 33 Andrejs Everitt
HF 6 Lachlan Whitfield 12 Jonathon Patton 8 Callan Ward
HB 1 Andrew Walker 42 Zach Tuohy 13 Chris Yarran
FF 18 Jeremy Cameron 20 Adam Tomlinson 10 Devon Smith
FB 43 Simon White 17 Sam Rowe 40 Michael Jamison
INTERCHANGE FROM*
13 Tom Boyd
22 Joshua Kelly
3 Stephen Coniglio
40 Adam Kennedy
31 Jacob Townsend
34 Kristian Jaksch
16 Nathan Wilson
*Three to be omitted
INTERCHANGE FROM*
27 Dennis Armfield
35 Ed Curnow
15 Sam Docherty
32 Nick Graham
23 Lachie Henderson
45 Blaine Johnson
14 Brock McLean
*Three to be omitted
Good to see Boyd in against his future club.
What are they doing with Watson ??
Bring him in for one game and then fling him just as quickly.
I realise that he had a howler but FFS, you have to give players at least a three week block for them to work within.
Perhaps Watson got the job because Jamison was out. I agree with you in the cases of Rowe and Casboult. They were persevered with and the bet is paying off.
I would love to believe that Watson can stick to a tough opponent and not lose his confidence!
Play him at full-forward with Casboult out at CHF.
Play him at full-forward with Casboult out at CHF.
I think he has too many deficiencies and his papers are stamped. It's a shame. Nephew of Steve Allesio and brother of Liz, (Vixens Centre) obviously has sporting ability.
What are they doing with Watson ??
Bring him in for one game and then fling him just as quickly.
I realise that he had a howler but FFS, you have to give players at least a three week block for them to work within.
Getting soft Sheiky? I would have given him a run of games (3 to 5) and told him he won't be dropped. Season is over anyway.
While I think that there is merit in the idea of giving new players several games to show their stuff without fear of being dropped , there are limits.
Watson has had a few seasons to demonstrate whether he is a genuine AFL player and, at best, he has shown that he can compete. At worst, he has shown that he lacks the decision making and awareness necessary to play in the AFL.
While I thought that he did show a bit in his last game, he made some terrible mistakes that went a long way towards giving Hawthon a winning edge.
A coach intent on determining which players represent the future of the club would persevere with Watson, although perhaps with a forward role. A coach determined to preserve his reputation would not give Watson another opportunity.
A coach intent on determining which players represent the future of the club would persevere with Watson, although perhaps with a forward role. A coach determined to preserve his reputation would not give Watson another opportunity.
Watson's game last week was abysmal, a coach determining which players represent the future of the club would have seen enough to know that he isn't one of them.
He's now in his fourth season, he's had enough time.
Anyway, Jamison is fit to play so who do you suggest we drop to keep a spot for Watson?
A coach intent on determining which players represent the future of the club would persevere with Watson, although perhaps with a forward role. A coach determined to preserve his reputation would not give Watson another opportunity.
Watson's game last week was abysmal, a coach determining which players represent the future of the club would have seen enough to know that he isn't one of them.
He's now in his fourth season, he's had enough time.
Anyway, Jamison is fit to play so who do you suggest we drop to keep a spot for Watson?
No, Watson's game wasn't abysmal. He made a couple of abysmal errors that cost us and missed a goal that he should have kicked but he wasn't our worst player by far. Even though he is in his fourth season, he hasn't had a decent opportunity to show what he can do. Perhaps that should have happened a couple of years ago but we're now in a position where we may lose a relatively high draft pick and we don't really know if he is a player.
Yes, Jamison should come in and leave us one player down while his shoulder and/or calf requires treatment during the game. A coach concerned about next season and beyond would have Jamison seeing the surgeon now. However, if Jamison is really right to go, I'd be inclined to give White a spell this week.
However, if Jamison is really right to go, I'd be inclined to give White a spell this week.
Dropping White and keeping Watson in the side would send completely the wrong message to the playing group in my opinion, the message that some players will be selected no matter how badly they play.
We'll probably have to agree to disagree about Watson, some supporters think he may have something to offer but I've seen enough and I don't care whether he was a first round draft pick or a rookie, they are all equal after they run out.
From the 7 man interchange Id chop McLean, Curnow (who id like some games into first after his broken leg) and Johnson. Would love to get games into Johnson at some stage very soon. Just think especially Docherty, Graham and Henderson must be in and think Army should be also.
From the 7 man interchange Id chop McLean, Curnow (who id like some games into first after his broken leg) and Johnson. Would love to get games into Johnson at some stage very soon. Just think especially Docherty, Graham and Henderson must be in and think Army should be also.
What he said! ;D
As someone who has played team sports, to reward such a lack of intensity for the contest like Watson has would be appalling.
You'll notice that Docherty although has made some errors in recent weeks has WORKED HARD and put his body on the line. He has shown a thirst to fight for the ball and genuinely has had a crack.
Watson, looked completely out of his depth, and although as the game wore on seemed to start responding better, plays a passionless brand of football and was generally poor as a contributer. I can wear the being out contested by stronger and more physical opponents, but the shanked kicks and inability to hit targets which is supposedly his strength was by no stretch anywhere near good enough.
He let his teamates down, and is being dropped for it.
He will get another go, and we shall see if he has learned from it. Will get his full two years, simply because there are no alternatives, and Jamison is a glass man.
However, if Jamison is really right to go, I'd be inclined to give White a spell this week.
Dropping White and keeping Watson in the side would send completely the wrong message to the playing group in my opinion, the message that some players will be selected no matter how badly they play.
We'll probably have to agree to disagree about Watson, some supporters think he may have something to offer but I've seen enough and I don't care whether he was a first round draft pick or a rookie, they are all equal after they run out.
I find it hard to mount a case for Watson. The bloke is just too slow in a fast game. He's slow over the grass and he's got the mental reaction time of a turtle on valium. If he was to play up forward his opponent would become a link man for the rest of the back line as he ran the pill out of our attack with Watson lumbering after him.
Some folks might argue that Meat has taken 4 years to show something after being persevered with BUT from the start Meat showed he was really quick for a big bloke, had great hands and wasn't afraid to throw his weight around... he was held back, as we're beginning to see now, by having -4 on the richter scale of confidence. I've seen him plenty of times dominate in the magoos... the only time I've seen Watson play well in the magoos is when he has an opponent who's slower than mould growing on cheese.
However, if Jamison is really right to go, I'd be inclined to give White a spell this week.
Dropping White and keeping Watson in the side would send completely the wrong message to the playing group in my opinion, the message that some players will be selected no matter how badly they play.
We'll probably have to agree to disagree about Watson, some supporters think he may have something to offer but I've seen enough and I don't care whether he was a first round draft pick or a rookie, they are all equal after they run out.
I find it hard to mount a case for Watson. The bloke is just too slow in a fast game. He's slow over the grass and he's got the mental reaction time of a turtle on valium. If he was to play up forward his opponent would become a link man for the rest of the back line as he ran the pill out of our attack with Watson lumbering after him.
Some folks might argue that Meat has taken 4 years to show something after being persevered with BUT from the start Meat showed he was really quick for a big bloke, had great hands and wasn't afraid to throw his weight around... he was held back, as we're beginning to see now, by having -4 on the richter scale of confidence. I've seen him plenty of times dominate in the magoos... the only time I've seen Watson play well in the magoos is when he has an opponent who's slower than mould growing on cheese.
True Baggers, I watched Casboult in a practice game in his first year and, while it was a cameo, a couple of very strong marks and a bit of endeavor had me believing that he could be a player.
I haven't seen the same from Watson, apart from his first goal, but someone at the club must be in his corner. I just think that they're not going about determining whether he is a player in the right way. I'd like to see him have a couple of games on the trot. If he doesn't perform, stamp his papers once and for all.
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I find it hard to mount a case for Watson. The bloke is just too slow in a fast game. He's slow over the grass and he's got the mental reaction time of a turtle on valium. If he was to play up forward his opponent would become a link man for the rest of the back line as he ran the pill out of our attack with Watson lumbering after him.
Crazy stuff in my opinion, key forward is a harder position to play and requires more mobility, faster reactions and the ability to change direction quickly, most of us will concede that Henderson is a much better defender than a forward for the same reasons and he's miles ahead of Watson.
It's gut wrenching to see another high Carlton draft pick wasted, particularly after what just happened with Bootsma, but there's no point clinging to false hopes.
Let's hope we've finally got it right.
100/1 to play Sheik ;D ;D
Not even, he won't be playing.
O.k. he won't be playing even if they announce him in the team ::) ;)
What was that Nic ?? ;)
Curnow, Henderson & Jamison are in the team.
Armfield, Graham & Watson have been axed.
Why the hell was Graham given the subs vest for one game and 5-mins of game time only to see him dropped back to the seconds the next week ??
Curnow, Henderson & Jamison are in the team.
Armfield, Graham & Watson have been axed.
Why the hell was Graham given the subs vest for one game and 5-mins of game time only to see him dropped back to the seconds the next week ??
Those selections make sense although it could make us a bit top heavy.
Armfield and Watson were both poor last week and getting dropped shouldn't have come as any surprise to them, they need to butter up and play well in the VFL.
Graham is a fringe player at this stage and being in and out of the team shouldn't surprise him either, Curnow was high in our B&F last year and was going well before he was injured, he's a natural in.
Graham wasn't damaging but I thought he was okay when he came on. Especially as he's not really suited to the sub role.
Dropping him against the GWS, not sure about that one.
Graham wasn't damaging but I thought he was okay when he came on. Especially as he's not really suited to the sub role.
Dropping him against the GWS, not sure about that one.
I thought he was OK as well, better than I've seen from him before in the seniors anyway, but realistically Henderson, Curnow and Jamison are all best 22 and some players had to make way for them, the three who did were the obvious ones.
If we'd been winning it might have been different.
I can't see the logic of bringing in an underdone Curnow when we have a fit player in Graham. Like Judd, Curnow needs a game at Northern to work out the cobwebs: he hasn't played in weeks! ???
I can't see the logic of bringing in an underdone Curnow when we have a fit player in Graham. Like Judd, Curnow needs a game at Northern to work out the cobwebs: he hasn't played in weeks! ???
Whilst I doubt Ed will play, we are talking about an absolute aerobic freak who constantly has to be held back in his training (even in rehab) and a meticulous preparer. I reckon they are banking on this fact if he plays. Time will tell.
McLean the sub.
Is our future trade recruit playing?
Murphy OUT
Army IN
no one seems to know why.
just got an sms. hammy tightness