Last time Preuss killed us in the ruck, but we got the job done anyway. It would be nice to see how thing have changed with Pitto potentially back and Tom de Koning playing much better.
Mind you, GWS are also playing somewhat better.
This is a must win. 1310 start time at Marvel on a Sunday afternoon.
Pittonet and Gov got through ok. Both must be in serious consideration. Give TDK a rest or give him more 'down time' on the bench and down forward. He's had a hell of a 2 months!!
Just have to win this game if we want to experience a final. Simple as that.
Pittonet and Gov got through ok. Both must be in serious consideration. Give TDK a rest or give him more 'down time' on the bench and down forward. He's had a hell of a 2 months!!
TDK seemed to hurt his shoulder late in the last, hopefully he doesn't miss but knowing our luck...
For me:
In Pitto Gov LOB (sub if not injured)
Out Newman (getting slower by the week) Newnes (looks hurt) Honey
Just want to see a lift from some of our young guns - bring heat to the contest and protect the defence then everything should take care of itself
Time to regroup, get Pitto and The Gov back and grind out a confidence boosting win.
Stocker, Weitering, Plowman
Docherty, Young, Saad
O'Brien, Cripps, Walsh
Silvagni, McKay, Fisher
Motlop, Curnow, Durdin
De Koning, Cerra, Hewett
Kennedy, Newman, Cottrell, Pittonet
Emerg: McGovern, Setterfield, Dow, Honey
Out - Hayes (susp), Newnes, Honey (unused sub)
In - O'Brien, Pittonet
Hopefully TDK's shoulder is ok.
Owies another week away apparently.
Martin close to returning. Test this week.
Does McGovern need another run in the 2's?
Stocker, Weitering, Plowman
Docherty, Young, Saad
O'Brien, Cripps, Walsh
Silvagni, McKay, Fisher
Motlop, Curnow, Durdin
De Koning, Cerra, Hewett
Kennedy, Newman, Cottrell, Pittonet
Emerg: McGovern, Setterfield, Dow, Honey
Out - Hayes (susp), Newnes, Honey (unused sub)
In - O'Brien, Pittonet
Hopefully TDK's shoulder is ok.
Owies another week away apparently.
Martin close to returning. Test this week.
Does McGovern need another run in the 2's?
Mcgovern definitely needs another week.
Simple changes for this week.
In Pitto. Out Hayes.
Get Walsh and Fisher up the ground, and play with a taller forwardline with pitto and tom interchanging in the ruck, and lets get Silvagni back in the forward line.
Durdin also on thin ice. Time to worry less about pressure in the forward line, and more about making them defend.
He went quiet on the weekend and that was all she wrote. Also Newnes out, Lochie O'Brien back in. Newnes has become a bit of a liability last few weeks, and not moving quick enough.
I suspect the only change might be SoJ or TDK out, and Pitto in.
I'm sure I'll get push back from the Silvagni boosters, but SoJ has some waning form and I can't see us retaining all three of SoJ, TDK and Pitto at the expense of a lot of run and carry. Maybe if SoJ stays Newnes might be unlucky, with SoJ to a wing. Mind you, SoJ would be one of my first picked week in and week out, simply because he bleeds navy blue.
Oddly, as I was thinking about Kemp's lack of midfield opportunities, I thought back to when we used SoJ as a chop-out option for Cripps, this could again be useful when not required to ruck. Might have been very useful Saturday night if we had another ruck option available.
TDK is playing well but looks sore, some time off or even some time resting forward in place of SoJ might be the cure.
If Hayes goes out, LoB or Setterfield will be the only feasible ins, Hayes and Durdin had little impact against the Handbaggers, LoB and Setterfield were both good in the VFL.
@Thryleon Agree on Gov, to me he looked out of touch and out of sorts, I thought Kemp had more VFL influence on the day.
btw., Will we appeal the Hayes ban, or do we just dismiss it as just another MRO mystery?
In the video replay it appears to me like Hayes makes a perfectly legal tackle, and Menegola gets injured because he throws out his arms and twists his body looking for a holding the man free!
btw., Will we appeal the Hayes ban, or do we just dismiss it as just another MRO mystery?
In the video replay it appears to me like Hayes makes a perfectly legal tackle, and Menegola gets injured because he throws out his arms and twists his body looking for a holding the man free!
As I said previously, lack of care dumping him and you have to show some degree of care when you tackle and throw players to the ground. It was all in one motion so not deliberate but still worth a week imho.
I suspect the only change might be SoJ or TDK out, and Pitto in.
I'm sure I'll get push back from the Silvagni boosters, but SoJ has some waning form and I can't see us retaining all three of SoJ, TDK and Pitto at the expense of a lot of run and carry.
With Pitto back, SOJ can concentrate on being the half forward he should be, instead of being smashed in the ruck for 30% of the game.
Our half-forward line is a chink atm - we have little or no height 70m out from goal unless Charlie or Harry venture up that far, hence the reason we get dominated in the air by intercepting half-backs. With TDK able to spend more time there, and SOJ there permanently, this might improve quite a bit.
As I said previously, lack of care dumping him and you have to show some degree of care when you tackle and throw players to the ground. It was all in one motion so not deliberate but still worth a week imho.
@ElwoodBlues1 How is what Menegola did different from ducking your head to win a free?
When the tackled player stages does he have some responsibility for his own welfware?
The 2 weeks for Hayes' tackle is mind boggling.
On the wing positions - do we look at deploying Fisher and Walsh to the two wing spots? Cerra could rotate through also. Perhaps once Williams is back, we could push a half-back flanker up onto a wing. Thinking one of Newman, Doch, Saad, Williams.
Two supposedly easier games followed by three tougher ones in the run home.
Cripps was quiet for the first 3 terms against WC before imposing himself in the final term and was very subdued (or beaten) against the pussies - perhaps he is carrying a niggle or needs a rest after his explosive start to the season.
Here's an idea that is probably too much out of left field - IF he is carrying a niggle , which would benefit from being rested (or managed) for one of the next two games, maybe he could be named as the substitute - to break glass in case of emergency because we can't afford to lose one of the supposedly easier games.
As Dow seems to be considered as only a centre square midfielder, that would also give him a chance to show what he's got.
Club not challenging the Hayes suspension so he's a definite out.
O'Brien wasn't named in the best in the VFL on the club website so maybe Setterfield is a straight swap for Hayes? I'm not a big fan of Setterfield or what's he's achieved but seems a likely inclusion?
Pittonet definitely in for mine. Will allow TDK to spend more time forward and allow Silvagni to play that pressure forward role he plays so well. He was going at a goal a game or more in those first half a dozen weeks before Pittonet went down injured.
Charlie/Harry and TDK spending time forward will stretch GWS without Davis.
Toby Greene, as always, is the worrying match up so maybe Stocker gets first crack at him?
Would love McGovern back but with his injury history, another week in the VFL seems likely.
O'Brien only played part of a game and pick up disposals at will. He'll be back. Is it a coincidence that Cripps played his best footy when Pittonet was in the team?? See Pittonet back in the team and watch Cripps fire up again.
I suspect the only change might be SoJ or TDK out, and Pitto in.
I'm sure I'll get push back from the Silvagni boosters, but SoJ has some waning form and I can't see us retaining all three of SoJ, TDK and Pitto at the expense of a lot of run and carry. Maybe if SoJ stays Newnes might be unlucky, with SoJ to a wing. Mind you, SoJ would be one of my first picked week in and week out, simply because he bleeds navy blue.
Oddly, as I was thinking about Kemp's lack of midfield opportunities, I thought back to when we used SoJ as a chop-out option for Cripps, this could again be useful when not required to ruck. Might have been very useful Saturday night if we had another ruck option available.
TDK is playing well but looks sore, some time off or even some time resting forward in place of SoJ might be the cure.
If Hayes goes out, LoB or Setterfield will be the only feasible ins, Hayes and Durdin had little impact against the Handbaggers, LoB and Setterfield were both good in the VFL.
@Thryleon Agree on Gov, to me he looked out of touch and out of sorts, I thought Kemp had more VFL influence on the day.
Jack silvagni is leading the competition for marks on lead out of forward 50 and you want him dropped?
What did he do to you? The guy went quiet after we put him in the ruck this week and our scoring dried right up.
Sos is no superstar but he is way more important to our team than you think he is.
Jack silvagni is leading the competition for marks on lead out of forward 50 and you want him dropped?
What did he do to you? The guy went quiet after we put him in the ruck this week and our scoring dried right up.
Sos is no superstar but he is way more important to our team than you think he is.
I'd have another 5 SOS's if I could over some of the other blokes we have on the list. Heart, courage and effort personified week in week out. Like you say, no superstar but if we make finals, just watch him and take note of his worth then.
@ElwoodBlues1 How is what Menegola did different from ducking your head to win a free?
When the tackled player stages does he have some responsibility for his own welfware?
The act of him hitting his head on the ground was caused by Hayes tackle, the onus and responsibility lies with the tackler under the rules now, because Menegola was trying to duck the tackle it doesnt remove the duty of care..
Jack silvagni is leading the competition for marks on lead out of forward 50 and you want him dropped?
What did he do to you? The guy went quiet after we put him in the ruck this week and our scoring dried right up.
Sos is no superstar but he is way more important to our team than you think he is.
Agree...we have done an Andrew Walker on Jack and asked of him to play out of his division and ruined his form which was excellent as a 3rd tall forward. Pittonet into ruck with TDK and Jack back to the forward line to regain his form and with a big pat on the back for the work he has done under real duress giving away size each week is how I would setup from now to the end of year injuries aside.
The act of him hitting his head on the ground was caused by Hayes tackle, the onus and responsibility lies with the tackler under the rules now, because Menegola was trying to duck the tackle it doesnt remove the duty of care..
I'll have to correct that
@ElwoodBlues1 , Menegola didn't try to duck the tackle, Menegola dropped the pill, threw his free arm in the air and spun himself around without the footy, begging for Hayes to be penalised for holding the man.
It happens very quickly, because it is a rehearsed behaviour.
I'm very disappointed in the club's decision not to challenge, I don't see why Hayes should be penalised for what is basically a coached tactic from Menegola.
Why wasn't Dangerflog cited for an even more aggressive version of the same tackle on Fisher, except Fisher didn't stage but he didn't get concussion either, just luck?
It's just absurd for the rule to be the way it is.
Some blokes duck and get free kicks for high contact, some blokes duck and get pinged for holding the ball or incorrect disposal, some blokes get cited after the fact for an opponent ducking, it's untenable!
LOB straight back in for Hayes imho.....
LOB straight back in for Hayes imho.....
Agree.
....and stay in!
Gov needs to come in and i'm not sure who makes way for him. It will probably be someone like Plowman, Newman, Stocker.
Newnes can come out for Pittonet
I got the impression from the Voss post match conference that he might think Pitto and Gov need another week, he didn't seem over enthused.
I got the impression from the Voss post match conference that he might think Pitto and Gov need another week, he didn't seem over enthused.
They might need another week....not sure i agree....but you know what? If we want to play finals, we NEED them in the team too.
Agree.
....and stay in!
Gov needs to come in and i'm not sure who makes way for him. It will probably be someone like Plowman, Newman, Stocker.
Newnes can come out for Pittonet
I agree and probably nominate Plowman for a holiday in the twos and McGovern in, Stocker wasnt great possession wise but kept Rohan quiet and not for the first time and I'd like him as an option for Greene who I reckon Newman will get first crack at as I seem to recall he played on him last game vs GWS.
Pittonet back in is a no brainer, Jack looks cooked through no fault of his own and TDK looked a bit sore after a knock vs Geelong.
Rusty or not I think we need McGovern back in as an option down back as both Young and Weitering will have off days and we need to be able to rotate our taller backs to suit/match the opposition tall forwards and we lacked that vs Geelong and his intercept marking is a bonus.
I'm a believer in the Owies, Durdin, Fisher setup and reckon Durdins form slump has coincided with Owies being out....
I like Motlop for the future and he has had a good start to his career but at the minute I reckon the other three work better together and if Owies is fit he comes in for Motlop and not for Durdin.
Hayes in for LOB was a total feckup and the wrong game to experiment imho......I'd have Cottrell tagging on Whitfields wing and LOB on the other this week...
We do need them badly. Especially Pitto and think SOS would welcome that return. Opportunity to get the lads match fit over next two weeks without disrespecting the opposition too much. Martin and Marchy should be available next week too I think.
I'm a believer in the Owies, Durdin, Fisher setup and reckon Durdins form slump has coincided with Owies being out....
@ElwoodBlues1 Yep, I was thinking much the same, the whole unit is greater than the sum of it's parts.
I thought Fisher was good though. Got quite a bit of the ball and was more involved than he usually is. I hope he keeps going with this and makes it a trend. 😎
Looking like another game that won’t be easy. Especially considering we are at the time where wins keep you in the top 8. When was the last time that the top 8 were so close in terms of wins? Let us not risk bringing back players too soon. Surely we have enough talent to get another 2 wins which is enough to lock in a final 8. GWS is exactly the side that could beat us with our best 22 available. Call it luck for GWS or lack of respect for the opponent from our guys.
The 2018 GWS Embarrassment at Docklands
7. 4 vs 23.13 in front of 16,000.
Polson, O'Shea, Pickett, Byrne, Graham, Lamb, Lang, Lobbe, SPS, Rowe were all involved and Cripps was still able to pick up 29 disposals.
"The Giants played the majority of Sunday’s second half at Etihad Stadium with a severely restricted bench after Brett Deledio (calf), Toby Greene (hamstring), Dawson Simpson (ankle) and Sam Taylor (hamstring) were injured.
The Blues were faced with a 16-man opposition for parts of the final term but were still handed a 23.13 (151) to 7.4 (46) beating."
Cripps, McKay, C Curnow, O'Brien, Kennedy should have a memory of this and be ready to put the sword back to them. (Simpson, Murphy, Wright, Thomas, Marchbank, Dow and E Curnow were also included)
Nothing can erase this shy of flogging them by 30 goals. Nothing.
Josh Kelly unlikely to play because of concussion protocols....every little bit helps.
Reckon we will flog GWS, Harry to kick 6 and Charlie 4...
Cripps BOG.....
Possibly for the first time in 2 years, we'll come up against a side that has more injuries than us!
https://www.afl.com.au/news/802937/medical-room-the-full-afl-injury-list-r19
Reckon we will flog GWS, Harry to kick 6 and Charlie 4...
Cripps BOG.....
There you go with those bold predictions :D
Maybe something like:
Out - Hayes, Newnes, Plowman, Honey (sub)
In - Pittonet, McGovern, O'Brien
Stocker, Weitering, Young
Docherty, McGovern, Saad
O'Brien, Cripps, Walsh
TDK, Silvagni, Fisher
Durdin, Curnow, McKay
Pittonet, Cerra, Hewett
Kennedy, Newman, Motlop, Cottrell
I'd like to see SOS and TDK roam up the field as the outlet kick, leaving the oppo headache of Curnow and McKay inside 50. We can always rotate the 4 talls up the field and inside 50.
The mix we had previously, is that Pittonet would drop behind the ball and ruck in defense, and TDK would ruck forward and they would share the middle duties. This let JSOS and Cripps perform more offensive duties too, and generally gave our opposition more headaches.
Pretty much how I have it Pratty....only difference might be whether it's O'Brien or Setterfield that come in. I think McGovern can play back and we still have Docherty, Saad, Newman....one of whom will likely get Greene.
If we were absolutely certain of playing finals then you might leave Pittonet and McGovern out for another week but we've still got 3 more tough games to come against Melbourne, Brisbane and Collingwood so a finals spot is far from guaranteed. This week is a must win game.
I think Honey should not be the Sub.
For me he did nothing much when he was in, and looks well out of touch, he needs to go back and actually dominate at VFL level for four quarters.
Can't see us dropping two defenders just to bring in Gov, if LoB is in he needs to be on the wing where he can hurt opposition with his deep running!
Good news on one front, not so much on another.
Caleb Marchbank Knee Expected to be available to play this week. (Update: 20 July)
Matt Owies Calf Was a late withdrawal last week against the Eagles due to a calf strain.
Currently expected to be sidelined for the next two weeks. (Update: 14 July)
McGovern would be extremely fortunate to get a game after his ordinary form in the reserves. Weitering is struggling to pick up the tempo and we can’t afford to play another defender who is below their best.
I would bring in Pitto and Setters for Hayes and Newnes.
Word around the traps is Gov and Lob in, no Pitto yet,.
Damn GTC....Pitto is the one we need more than any I reckon.
Damn GTC....Pitto is the one we need more than any I reckon.
He's the one we can afford to ease into too, by limiting his ruck minutes.
Feck me when are we gonna get some luck, George (inj) out Gov In according to CH7 News
from CFC Twitter
In Gov Dow Fog LOB Setters
Out George (back) Hayes (susp)
I would say Dow will come in for Hayes.
O'Brien is in the 18 replacing Hayes on the wing.
George's replacement should be out of Dow, Fogarty and Setterfield. I'd prefer Setters but I think Dow will get the run.
Setterfield, LOB, Gov are playing as they are on the ground.
Pick 4 others (plus a sub) from....
[8] Lachie Fogarty,
[13] Liam Stocker,
[32] Jack Newnes,
[2] Paddy Dow,
[46] Matthew Cottrell,
[25] Zac Fisher,
[36] Josh Honey,
[20] Lachie Plowman
Setterfield, LOB, Gov are playing as they are on the ground.
Pick 4 others (plus a sub) from....
[8] Lachie Fogarty,
[13] Liam Stocker,
[32] Jack Newnes,
[2] Paddy Dow,
[46] Matthew Cottrell,
[25] Zac Fisher,
[36] Josh Honey,
[20] Lachie Plowman
I’d take Stocker, Cottrell, Fisher and Dow [Fogarty sub]
Setterfield, LOB, Gov are playing as they are on the ground.
Pick 4 others (plus a sub) from....
[8] Lachie Fogarty,
[13] Liam Stocker,
[32] Jack Newnes,
[2] Paddy Dow,
[46] Matthew Cottrell,
[25] Zac Fisher,
[36] Josh Honey,
[20] Lachie Plowman
Trying to anticipate our MC changes is anyone's guess. I'd go with the final ins being Stocker, Cottrell, Fisher and Newnes or Dow. Surprised Pitto didn't get a gig.
If Plowman is out he would have to be sub to cover for when McGovern goes off.
Setterfield, LOB, Gov are playing as they are on the ground.
Pick 4 others (plus a sub) from....
[8] Lachie Fogarty,
[13] Liam Stocker,
[32] Jack Newnes,
[2] Paddy Dow,
[46] Matthew Cottrell,
[25] Zac Fisher,
[36] Josh Honey,
[20] Lachie Plowman
I missed Setters in the 18.
I doubt whether we’ll play 8 defenders so either Plowman or Stocker will miss out. I think I’d prefer Plowman on Greene but it would be good development for Stocker.
I’d go with Fisher, Cottrell, Plowman and Stocker on the bench and give Docherty time further up the ground.
Taking up MBB’s point, whoever of Plowman and Stocker is unlucky enough not to make the 22 will have to be the sub 🫤
Feck me when are we gonna get some luck, George (inj) out Gov In according to CH7 News
from CFC Twitter
In Gov Dow Fog LOB Setters
Out George (back) Hayes (susp)
Not this year / decade is the answer to your question 😟
For me it would be Cottrell, Fisher, Stocker and Dow, with Plowman the sub.
I think the MC will go with Cottrell, Fisher, Plowman and Newnes, with Honey the sub.
Last chance for Setterfield imo, don't rate him at all but I guess he has earned another chance given his possession tally in the twos in recent weeks.
LOB and McGovern should make us better, Stocker should be in the team, he beat Rohan last game and was one of our few winners imho.
I also think Stocker did enough to remain. he had the better of Rohan comfortably: Rohan was a total non-contributor.
Mind you, I think Stocker could have played better. His kicking was not always up the standard he requires, and he dropped a couple of marks that ended up as Geelong goals.
I think he needs the run, and would be useful if McGovern breaks down.
Setterfield probably deserves the game. He couldn't have done much more last week.
O'Brien was just as dominant in the first half and was unlucky to be dropped.
I think McGovern is a bit of a risk, but I do think he would be better on a better opponent. He will get one this week. I really hope he stays fit, as he adds real bite to our defence.
I am a little surprised to not to see Pittonet named. He needs time in the middle. he also played a little better than McGovern did, although McGovern provides us with flexibility.
Tom de Koning and (especially) Jack Silvagni have struggled against Preuss in the past. I don't think Pitto would. Preuss is the sort of ruckman de Koning plays least well against, and we need all the centre clearances we can get.
We will miss George Hewett, but it does give an opportunity for someone to take that role. Maybe Dow? Maybe even Setters? (I would be less confident in Setters, but he has surprised me a few times.)
Hewett is a big loss - Gov is good in defence when fit. Weiters looks like he needs all the help he could get atm.
Good to see Setters get his chance but want to see him get three games in a row - he is a super talent that reminds me f Kennedy a bit being in and out of the sde and out of form. If he gets it together he will be such an asset.
If Plowman is out he would have to be sub to cover for when McGovern goes off.
As I have said many times, I'm not a Plowman fan but he has been far from our worst and deserves his spot, sub at the very lease as cover for Gov.
Thought TDK got monstered by Cats rucks and interesting to see GWS sack Flynn and bring in Pruess. Will be interested in how TDK bounces back. Should account in the centre with leap but will be interesting to see around the ground strength v the gws giant.
Anyone has a Matt Owies update?
Also think Setterfield will come in - not a huge fan but you have to reward twos stand outs games - but then Dow has struggled to break in on this basis. My guess it's defensive pressure for both these guys and they wont risk both in a must won game affair.
Thought TDK got monstered by Cats rucks and interesting to see GWS sack Flynn and bring in Pruess. Will be interested in how TDK bounces back. Should account in the centre with leap but will be interesting to see around the ground strength v the gws giant.
Anyone has a Matt Owies update?
Also think Setterfield will come in - not a huge fan but you have to reward twos stand outs games - but then Dow has struggled to break in on this basis. My guess it's defensive pressure for both these guys and they wont risk both in a must won game affair.
Setterfield was named in the 18 on the ground therefore will play.
Thought TDK got monstered by Cats rucks and interesting to see GWS sack Flynn and bring in Pruess. Will be interested in how TDK bounces back. Should account in the centre with leap but will be interesting to see around the ground strength v the gws giant.
Anyone has a Matt Owies update?
Also think Setterfield will come in - not a huge fan but you have to reward twos stand outs games - but then Dow has struggled to break in on this basis. My guess it's defensive pressure for both these guys and they wont risk both in a must won game affair.
Last upda yr e had owies missing 2 weeks.
This is his 2nd week
When I looked at the starting lineup...which is probably never right anyway...but it looked about as good as we've had all year:
Saad Weitering Newman
Docherty McGovern Young
That's a pretty solid back 6 for mine and I guess one of Stocker/Plowman is on the bench as a 7th defender.
gws at a desperate stage ,big name players not performing ,media pressure , this game could stuff the 2022 season ,hope not
gws at a desperate stage ,big name players not performing ,media pressure , this game could stuff the 2022 season ,hope not
I hope not too, but...
They're missing a few...and 'managing' a few.
Connor Idun (Injured),
Jesse Hogan (Managed),
Josh Kelly (Injured),
Matt Flynn (Omitted),
Tom Green (Managed)
It may be they've put the cue in the rack...(just don't tell our players ;) )
When I looked at the starting lineup...which is probably never right anyway...but it looked about as good as we've had all year:
Saad Weitering Newman
Docherty McGovern Young
That's a pretty solid back 6 for mine and I guess one of Stocker/Plowman is on the bench as a 7th defender.
Except Newman, I personally have been disappointed with of late. Looks slow, messy with the footy, father time maybe?
Except Newman, I personally have been disappointed with of late. Looks slow, messy with the footy, father time maybe?
I reckon that Newman's lapses are no more frequent than those committed by Docherty, Saad or Plowman.
GTC....I think if you took him out and put Stocker or Plowman in there, the same points would be raised about disposal etc. Agree though, Newman hasn't quite been the same as his first season with us. If we were picking our best possible line-up, maybe all 3 of them would be missing with Zac Williams in there instead? That said, Williams isn't much of a shutdown type of defender.
We need a convincing win and no reason we shouldn't get one.
I thought Newman was our third best player last week behind Walsh and Curnow.
Saad makes a few clangers but he takes way more risks than the other defenders to help open teams up.
I reckon that Newman's lapses are no more frequent than those committed by Docherty, Saad or Plowman.
I disagree completely, but that's ok.
Out: George Hewett (back soreness), Will Hayes (suspension), Jack Newnes and Liam Stocker (omitted)
In: Mitch McGovern, Josh Honey, Lochie O'Brien and Will Setterfield.
Emergencies: Newnes, Stocker, Paddy Dow and Lachie Fogarty
Surprised Dow didn't get a run with Hewett out. Must surely mean his papers are stamped....he'll be seeking a trade for sure.
Out: George Hewett (back soreness), Will Hayes (suspension), Jack Newnes and Liam Stocker (omitted)
In: Mitch McGovern, Josh Honey, Lochie O'Brien and Will Setterfield.
Emergencies: Newnes, Stocker, Paddy Dow and Lachie Fogarty
FMD really?
Surprised Dow didn't get a run with Hewett out. Must surely mean his papers are stamped....he'll be seeking a trade for sure.
Yep....reckon he is out the door for a player swap or pick but I wouldnt be expecting much return for a regular VFL player which is what he is now.....
Cant believe Stocker got dropped either, he is another player whose future concerns me, I rate him highly and want to keep him but if he is in one week and out the next even when he was one of our few winners(beat Rohan) you cant expect him to stick around and his management will start looking at other clubs. Tigers were very keen on him from memory.....
A used condom would be a coup at the trade table.
Surprised Stocks got the flick. Probably be the medi sub.
Dow did show better defensive and team oriented aspects to his game last week in the Magoos. If he commits to adding to his somewhat one-dimensional game, he'd be a shot in the seniors before the year is out.
A number of blokes would want to improve on their last outing. Particularly Short Durds and H (though we did kick the aggot to where H wasn't on too many occasions). H is way too good a player to have two low outputs in a row.
A used condom would be a coup at the trade table.
Ah, yes, the Condom brothers, Used, Regular & Large, very good on-ballers.
For me it would be Cottrell, Fisher, Stocker and Dow, with Plowman the sub.
I think the MC will go with Cottrell, Fisher, Plowman and Newnes, with Honey the sub.
If Newnes ends up being the sub, then its basically what i thought the MC would do.
However, my preference, which is in line with most peoples, seems to be at odds with the MCs.
Most obvious reason for this is that Stocker and Dow seem to have their papers stamped.
I thought Newman was our third best player last week behind Walsh and Curnow.
Saad makes a few clangers but he takes way more risks than the other defenders to help open teams up.
I said similar re Newman.
Of all the weeks for people to start taking aim at him, last week wasn't it....he was one of our better players.
That being said, at the start of the year i suggested he was one that would potentially be pushed out of the side this year.
Given Williams (and Marchbank) are still on the injury/recovery list....i maintain that view.
I suspect Newman and Stocker have some injury issue, because neither deserved an out!
I suspect Newman and Stocker have some injury issue, because neither deserved an out!
They wouldn't write omitted if they were injured.
I suspect Newman and Stocker have some injury issue, because neither deserved an out!
Newman isn't an out.
Newnes is.
I reckon Stocker is still young and developing his game. I am not worried about his future he is AFL quality when he plays. He is coming out of contract and will take something very good to get the deal over the line. Paddy is as good as gone and reckon a late 2nd rounder/ early third rounder pick 30-40 I will be ok with that. Stocker 15-25 I reckon if it gets to that point. Not a bad draft to be involved in btw.
They would probably be worth about what we got for SPS.
Dow is contracted for 23? If so, that a whole different ball game.
Dow is contracted for 23? If so, that a whole different ball game.
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If we don’t see him as a senior player, wouldn’t we be happy to move him on to free up a spot and get some salary cap relief (assuming he’s on more than minimum chips in ‘23)? Unless there are 2 or more suitors, whoever wants him could just offer some late picks. Keeping a disillusioned player might not be an option.
If we don’t see him as a senior player, wouldn’t we be happy to move him on to free up a spot and get some salary cap relief (assuming he’s on more than minimum chips in ‘23)? Unless there are 2 or more suitors, whoever wants him could just offer some late picks. Keeping a disillusioned player might not be an option.
I'd suggest he is contracted simply so we don't get screwed over in any deal and there is no threat to walk to the PSD ala Jack Martin.
I’m not sure that Dow’s papers are stamped. It would be a cynical exercise to repeatedly name him in the extended squad if there was no intention to give him a game. I think that Dow understands that he has to improve areas of his game and he is working with the development coaches on that.
Stocker has had no continuity with COVID, injuries and mental health issues. With a full pre-season next year, he could be a very different player. I hope he is!
The ‘he beat Rohan’ argument doesn’t hold water. Rohan had a good game by his standards, Stocker wasn’t his direct opponent for the whole game and Stocker’s errors cost us dearly. He also failed to lay a tackle.
Of course, if we happen to lose (touch wood), Dow and Stocker should have been in the 22 🙂
I’m not sure that Dow’s papers are stamped. It would be a cynical exercise to repeatedly name him in the extended squad if there was no intention to give him a game. I think that Dow understands that he has to improve areas of his game and he is working with the development coaches on that.
Stocker has had no continuity with COVID, injuries and mental health issues. With a full pre-season next year, he could be a very different player. I hope he is!
The ‘he beat Rohan’ argument doesn’t hold water. Rohan had a good game by his standards, Stocker wasn’t his direct opponent for the whole game and Stocker’s errors cost us dearly. He also failed to lay a tackle.
Of course, if we happen to lose (touch wood), Dow and Stocker should have been in the 22 🙂
Rohan had 5 possessions for the game and is a very talented player all be it erratic plus he played well the week before.
If Stockers problem is continuity in the seniors why would you drop him..?
Ah, yes, the Condom brothers, Used, Regular & Large, very good on-ballers.
Aha yes as famous as the Meoff twins. Jack and Paul
Rohan had 5 possessions for the game and is a very talented player all be it erratic plus he played well the week before.
If Stockers problem is continuity in the seniors why would you drop him..?
Rohan is averaging 8 possessions this season and he had 9 in the previous round. I suspect that he was the least threatening of the Geelong forwards.
I'd like to see Stocker get a decent block of games, but only if he deserves it. Genuine competition for places in the 22 means that we no longer gift games to fringe players. Stocker got a fair bit of the ball but his disposal efficiency was poor, he didn't lay one tackle and his clangers were costly.
If I was picking the team, Stocker would be in the 22 ahead of McGovern, but I understand why McGovern has got the nod. Hopefully, his performance justifies his selection.
Rohan had 5 possessions for the game and is a very talented player all be it erratic plus he played well the week before.
If Stockers problem is continuity in the seniors why would you drop him..?
I can live with Dow being traded out considering the new midfield additions and new depth we have there but stocker I would be spewing if we didn’t resign him. The kid has a really hard edge runs straight at the ball looks after his mates and in my opinion locks down on who he is guarding. He obviously still have a heap of improvement to come and is still very young but imo the signs he has showed in the limited game time he has is more then enough from what I see to be very optimistic about this bloke.
I hope his lack of consistent game time is all part of his development and not a sign the club is unsure of him or plans to move him on.
I trust Voss and Co but still hope stocker with the qualities he has is part of our future.
Thankfully no Nathan22 to invalidate our game this week 🙏
This is a game we should not only win, but win well. The Midgets are ripe for a burying, I hope we're up for the task. Quite a few of our blokes have to lift after last week's effort.
This is a game we should not only win, but win well. The Midgets are ripe for a burying, I hope we're up for the task. Quite a few of our blokes have to lift after last week's effort.
Yep, our form seems to have flattened out, a strong win could be just the tonic we need to restore our confidence for the run home.
Was looking at VFL stats/scores from last night's game......it listed Corey Durdin. I thought he was playing today....or was it just a typo and should've been Sam Durdin?