So, who plays in our team for Week 1?
Which of the listed players are available?
Setters, Stocker, Motlop, Marchbank from Sunday's AFL game should all be available having played, I believe, less than 12 senior games. Dow, Kempt, Hayes, Carroll, Tall Durds and Honey of the senior listed lads should also pull on the boots... that's 10. Might be others I've missed... Boyd & Pitto?
CARLTON LISTED AND ELIGIBLE:
Zac Williams
Mitch McGovern
Paddy Dow
Brodie Kemp
Will Hayes
Jack Carroll
Sam Durdin
Jordan Boyd (possibly inj)
Caleb Marchbank
Liam Stocker
Ed Curnow
Lachie Fogarty
Josh Honey
Marc Pittonet
David Cuningham
Alex Mirkov
Not sure about:
Jessie Motlop (12 games)
Jack Martin (12 games)
UPDATE WITH VFL PLAYERS INC.
Of the listed players, it looks like:
VFL (from last game)
Jesse Glass-Mccasker
Domanic Akuei
Tom North
Mitchell Moschetti
Stefan Radavanovic
Tyreece Leiu
Stefan Radavanovic
Heath Ramshaw
Alex Cincotta
Ben Crocker
Zavier Maher
Ned Cahill
Oliver Sanders
Joel Trudgeon
Second elimination final
Collingwood v Carlton
Victoria park
Sunday 28th August
1.05pm
Be there, or be square ;)
....or watch it on the Telly (Seven network)
Second elimination final
Collingwood v Carlton
Victoria park
Sunday 28th August
1.05pm
Be there, or be square ;)
....or watch it on the Telly (Seven network)
Thanks Lods. I have updated the thread title.
Depending who is fit (and mix), we may line-up something like:
FB Caleb Marchbank, Sam Durdin, Brodie Kemp
HB Jack Carroll, Mitch McGovern, Zac Williams
C Mitchell Moschetti, Will Hayes, Liam Stocker
HF Josh Honey, Ed Curnow, Tom North
FF Lachie Fogarty, Jesse Glass-Mccasker, Ben Crocker
FOL Marc Pittonet, Tyreece Lieu, Paddy Dow
IC Stefan Radavanovic, Alex Cincotta, Michael Lewis, Alex Mirkov
EMG David Cuningham, Joel Trudgeon, Domanic Akuei, Oliver Sanders
Thoughts?
It'll be a tough game, even though we may have some AFL listed types available they tend to be half-hearted at VFL level even in finals because we have no possible AFL finals involvement. It's a bit like Pagan's famous saying.
However, the Filth given they have AFL finals coming will have players that are heavily motivated.
It'll be a tough game, even though we may have some AFL listed types available they tend to be half-hearted at VFL level even in finals because we have no possible AFL finals involvement. It's a bit like Pagan's famous saying.
However, the Filth given they have AFL finals coming will have players that are heavily motivated.
Blah, blah…
There’s also some blokes there that will want/need to make a statement about where they want to be next year… and don’t discount the friendly bragging rights of “We made finals” “At least we can beat Collingwood” etc from the second tier.
Depending who is fit (and mix), we may line-up something like:
FB Caleb Marchbank, Sam Durdin, Brodie Kemp
HB Jack Carroll, Mitch McGovern, Zac Williams
C Mitchell Moschetti, Will Hayes, Liam Stocker
HF Josh Honey, Ed Curnow, Tom North
FF Lachie Fogarty, Jesse Glass-Mccasker, Ben Crocker
FOL Marc Pittonet, Tyreece Lieu, Paddy Dow
IC Stefan Radavanovic, Alex Cincotta, Michael Lewis, Alex Mirkov
EMG David Cuningham, Joel Trudgeon, Domanic Akuei, Oliver Sanders
Nice.
Tyreece and Jack swap places, Trudgeon in for Moschetti.
Depending who is fit (and mix), we may line-up something like:
FB Caleb Marchbank, Sam Durdin, Brodie Kemp
HB Jack Carroll, Mitch McGovern, Zac Williams
C Mitchell Moschetti, Will Hayes, Liam Stocker
HF Josh Honey, Ed Curnow, Tom North
FF Lachie Fogarty, Jesse Glass-Mccasker, Ben Crocker
FOL Marc Pittonet, Tyreece Lieu, Paddy Dow
IC Stefan Radavanovic, Alex Cincotta, Michael Lewis, Alex Mirkov
EMG David Cuningham, Joel Trudgeon, Domanic Akuei, Oliver Sanders
I don't think Ed or Cuners will be considered. Boyd was back in training but I doubt whether he'd be risked and I'm not sure whether Mirkov's gashed knee will be healed sufficiently.
Stocker won't play on the wing and will be in defence with Lieu and Plowman. Carroll will be on the wing and I think that Williams could spend time in the midfield. Trudgeon will be in the 23. I wouldn't be surprised to see McGovern in the forward line; we have heaps of defenders but not much in the way of forwards.
I don't think Ed or Cuners will be considered. Boyd was back in training but I doubt whether he'd be risked and I'm not sure whether Mirkov's gashed knee will be healed sufficiently.
Stocker won't play on the wing and will be in defence with Lieu and Plowman. Carroll will be on the wing and I think that Williams could spend time in the midfield. Trudgeon will be in the 23. I wouldn't be surprised to see McGovern in the forward line; we have heaps of defenders but not much in the way of forwards.
Thanks for the update DJC, I haven't been able to find a lot of up-to-date information. I now Cuningham and Ed Curnow were back running, but not sure past that. You would 'hope' that line-up could go deep into September.
I think Plowman played 12 or more games (like Jack Martin).
I think Plowman played 12 or more games (like Jack Martin).
Of course! Scratch Plowman from the list.
We still have plenty of good defenders, both AFL- and VFL-listed, but lack forward firepower.
I think Plowman played 12 or more games (like Jack Martin).
The qualification is 6 VFL games, Plowman only played 3!
The qualification is 6 VFL games, Plowman only played 3!
It's a little more complicated than that. If a player plays one or more AFL games after 1 July, they are ineligible unless they have played 6 VFL games. There are several other eligibility criteria.
Bottom line is that our team is:
Backs: Tyreece Leiu Sam Durdin Liam Stocker
Half-backs: Heath Ramshaw Stefan Radovanovic Alex Cincotta
Centreline: Tom North Will Setterfield Will Hayes
Half-forwards: Jack Carroll Jesse Glass-McCasker Ned Cahill
Forwards: Brodie Kemp Ben Crocker Jesse Motlop
Followers: Alex Mirkov Paddy Dow Joel Trudgeon
Interchange: Dom Akuei David Handley Michael Lewis Mitch Moschetti Zavier Maher
CARLTON LISTED AND ELIGIBLE:
Paddy Dow
Brodie Kemp
Will Hayes
Jack Carroll
Sam Durdin
Liam Stocker
Alex Mirkov
Jessie Motlop (12 games)
Not as many big names as expected.
It's a little more complicated than that. If a player plays one or more AFL games after 1 July, they are ineligible unless they have played 6 VFL games. There are several other eligibility criteria.
Bottom line is that our team is:
Backs: Tyreece Leiu Sam Durdin Liam Stocker
Half-backs: Heath Ramshaw Stefan Radovanovic Alex Cincotta
Centreline: Tom North Will Setterfield Will Hayes
Half-forwards: Jack Carroll Jesse Glass-McCasker Ned Cahill
Forwards: Brodie Kemp Ben Crocker Jesse Motlop
Followers: Alex Mirkov Paddy Dow Joel Trudgeon
Interchange: Dom Akuei David Handley Michael Lewis Mitch Moschetti Zavier Maher
I’m glad to hear of the qualifications DJC, I’d rather something like that than a club that missed (like us) playing an afl squad against a VFL list.
Not as many big names as expected.
Yes, I had believed it was 12 the cut-off, but there are more complex rules.
I’m glad to hear of the qualifications DJC, I’d rather something like that than a club that missed (like us) playing an afl squad against a VFL list.
Yep, the system works.
Looking forward to tomorrow's game.
CARLTON LISTED AND ELIGIBLE:
Zac Williams
Mitch McGovern
Paddy Dow
Brodie Kemp
Will Hayes
Jack Carroll
Sam Durdin
Jordan Boyd (possibly inj)
Caleb Marchbank
Liam Stocker
Ed Curnow
Lachie Fogarty
Josh Honey
Marc Pittonet
David Cuningham
Alex Mirkov
Not sure about:
Jessie Motlop (12 games)
Jack Martin (12 games)
UPDATE WITH VFL PLAYERS INC.
Of the listed players, it looks like:
VFL (from last game)
Jesse Glass-Mccasker
Domanic Akuei
Tom North
Mitchell Moschetti
Stefan Radavanovic
Tyreece Leiu
Stefan Radavanovic
Heath Ramshaw
Alex Cincotta
Ben Crocker
Zavier Maher
Ned Cahill
Oliver Sanders
Joel Trudgeon
Like Stefan Radavanovic and wish we had 2 of him !
Like Stefan Radavanovic and wish we had 2 of him !
:D
Does anyone have a link to stream on the net?
Does anyone have a link to stream on the net?
Afl app
Blistering start Blues, 5 goals to 0, Coll just kicked their 1st.
Does anyone have a link to stream on the net?
Just go to the fixture on
afl.com.au (https://www.afl.com.au/fixture?Competition=7&CompSeason=47&MatchTimezone=MY_TIME&Regions=2&ShowBettingOdds=1&GameWeeks=23&Teams=88&Venues=100#byround) and select the VFL fixture from the list of competitions, the game match centre has a "watch live" link in the description.
Ripping start from the boys.
Just go to the fixture on afl.com.au (https://www.afl.com.au/fixture?Competition=7&CompSeason=47&MatchTimezone=MY_TIME&Regions=2&ShowBettingOdds=1&GameWeeks=23&Teams=88&Venues=100#byround) and select the VFL fixture from the list of competitions, the game match centre has a "watch live" link in the description.
Live on 7
Dow to Carroll to Stocker to Kemp.....
Updates are appreciated - I am presently out of the country and cannot view it.
Half the job done.
GOALS: Cahill 2, Crocker 2, Handley 2, Maher, Motlop
DISPOSALS: Setterfield 19, Dow 17, Hayes 11, North 11, Trudgeon 10
55 Calt vs 38
Updates are appreciated - I am presently out of the country and cannot view it.
55-38 Carlton's way, very early in the 3rd.
Setterfield goal. Continuing his form from the last 2 weeks.
Crocker goal. 2 unanswered goals 67 v 38
Crocker goal. 2 unanswered goals 67 v 31
Needs to be on our senior list. I know we picked Durdin for a need in the MSD but Crocker would have been handy at the end of the season for us.
That’s Crocker’s third 👏
Gee Carroll is miles off senior standard.
Pies goal 68 v 44
Gee Carroll is miles off senior standard.
Keep in mind he's been out injured for an extended period.
It doesn't matter what level you play at, games under the belt make all the difference.
Crocker has to be rookied imo....
Crocker has to be rookied imo....
He's a footballer's footballer, but I can't see it happening.
Watching the VFL final from the start, Kemp is the bloke we should be setting up as a F50 alternate selection.
Watching our senior boys closely and Dow gets the ball ok ball use is average at best but the bloke just doesn’t work hard enough when he doesn’t have the ball. Either hes lazy or has no tank.
Time to move him on. Had enough chances.
He's a footballer's footballer, but I can't see it happening.
Watching the VFL final from the start, Kemp is the bloke we should be setting up as a F50 alternate selection.
I'd have Kemp on a wing or doing a Jeremy Howe down back....
Kemp is the bloke we should be setting up as a F50 alternate selection.
Just dropped a sitter.
Leiu is a strong, aggressive bastard, I'd have a serious look at him.
Just dropped a sitter.
That's not the point, he's getting in all the right places and creating the opportunities, as many if not more chances this game than Crocker.
BigH and Charlie burn opportunities as well, but they still have to create them in the first place.
95% of the work is getting into the right space at the right moment, most players don't! ;)
74 v 46 Kemp goal
Kempy finally kicks one, Maher dislocated shoulder they are saying.
3/4 Time 74 v 46
3/4 Time 74 v 46
If we lose this one, Ill be needing a new tv and MacBook.
Maher dislocated shoulder but a great chain of possessions ended up with Kemp strolling in for a goal from the goal square.
We have a makeshift ruck with Akuei, Cripps, Glass-McCasker and Setterfield all taking ruck contests but we seem to be well ahead in clearances.
Setterfield bossing it in the middle
Trudgeon still my favourite VFL play though
Cripps has no clue. Turns like a Mack truck.
Setterfield a class above this level.
So much to like about stocker. Goes like a bull and really strong at every contest. Uses it well too. Really hope we extend this kids contract for 2 years min. Can see this bloke playing 200 games.
North has probably just sealed it for us 🙂
For spf, 81-52, Blues by 29, early in the 4th.
Did Kemp change his boots?
Great goal 👏
About half way through the last, Blues 13.9 87 Pies 8.6 54.
Kemp looks like a real player, just not sure where he fits in to the team. The ultimate utility!!
Setterfield makes it 93 to 56 with about 10 minutes to go.
Lieu will be on an AFL list next season.
100 to 62
Final score 15.10.100 to 10.8.68
A couple of serious injuries soured the result and we’ll be digging deep to find replacements.
Good performance, that's one FIlth side out of finals.
Lieu will be on an AFL list next season.
Hopefully ours, love his aggression.
No Maher and Handley next week. Unlucky for the lads
Something I didn't think I'd be saying at this time of the year...
Setterfield is a class above this level. ;) :D
Great win only soured by 2 injuries. Handley looked like a serious hamstring.
Setters was outstanding. Stocker his usual tough at it game. Cahill & Lieu both smart footballers. Carroll building, has good poise and vision.
Noticed TDK celebrating with them before they left the ground.
Finally..... we have some success in our 2's as the big ship turns. Congratulations 👏
Kemp looks like a real player, just not sure where he fits in to the team. The ultimate utility!!
I believe that was his draft moniker. He's been developing down back, and showing signs up forward. He's part of our future imo. Versatility is gold.
What happened to Fogarty?
Hopefully ours, love his aggression.
Two weeks ago I would have said I see the strength , aggression, solid body for a kid, sound skills but still I don't see the quality to make an AFL list unless lucky. Last week and this have been a revelation. Someone will pick him up and could do very well out of it,
What happened to Fogarty?
He is just finished. Not really good enough.
I hoped Fogarty is fit enough to replace either Handley or Maher next week. Wasted year if he isn't.
For that matter, Boyd must be some sort of chance. which would help. Both Maher and Handley have been good this year. Both have become goal kickers.
Lieu will be on an AFL list next season.
I like the kid as I have said before, very solid composed player.
I like the kid as I have said before, very solid composed player.
He reminds me a bit of Stocker with his hard attack on the footy and ball carrier but he’s got more size and is a better mark.
I believe he played in the midfield and forward as a junior before his intercept marking ability became apparent.
He was one of our train on players so he should be well and truly in Austin’s sights.
Ned Cahill has a touch of class about him. Used the ball very well kicking onto leading players. Its the only time ive seen him play and i was impressed. I know he was on the cheats list.
Does anyone else know more about him
Ned Cahill has a touch of class about him. Used the ball very well kicking onto leading players. Its the only time ive seen him play and i was impressed. I know he was on the cheats list.
Does anyone else know more about him
Watched him in a couple of games for Vic country, I thought his kicking needed work back then, smart enough, tackles well for a small player and does apply forward pressure which is a skill you need in the modern game.
I'd probably like my premier small forward to be a strong mark for his inches much like Weightman from the Bulldogs, Cahill is very much like Durdin so I'd want that marking ability as a point of difference if I was adding another small forward even as a rookie.
Id take Cahill over Owies every day of the week. Natural football smarts but Crocker would be the one I would definitely replace Owies with. Huge upgrade IMO.
I really really like Heath Ramshaw as a close checking back pocket player. Still only a teenager like Trudgeon.
Ned Cahill has a touch of class about him. Used the ball very well kicking onto leading players. Its the only time ive seen him play and i was impressed. I know he was on the cheats list.
Does anyone else know more about him
Cahill played 6 games for the Bombers over the 2020-21 seasons so you’d expect him to be a tad better than blokes who haven’t had that experience and development opportunity.
He is a good mark for his size, makes good decisions, tackles hard, and uses the ball well.
I suspect that he’s hoping for another crack at AFL but I don’t think that he would add much to our list. His goal kicking might be a little better than Durdin and Owies, but there wouldn’t be much in it.
I am having problems watching the replay at the moment, but I do have some comments from the stats, and from the bits and pieces I saw live.
[1] Setters had a really good game today. He may have resurrected his career over the last few weeks. He still isn't hard enough for me, but he is worth his spot at the moment. He managed 40 possessions today, with 13 clearances!
[2] Dow was good, but his disposal is just so disappointing. Still, 33 possessions, 6 clearances and 7 marks is a pretty good day at the office.
[3] Stocker showed today what we want him to do in the seniors. He took responsibility and he got leather poisoning. He had his man trying to tag him, rather than him doing the tagging. It worked well.
[4] We missed Mirkov, but the others really stood up in his absence. Cripps played probably his best game as a ruckman for the year. He played to his strengths, rather than his weaknesses. Akuei was similar: he used his athleticism and stopped his opponent from getting the ball. He had 13 taps, something he hasn't done this year to date. Glass-McCasker got 5 taps and provided a decent target in the forward line. All up, we had more taps, without an acknowledged ruck. That was great.
[5] I like Ramshaw. We should draft him. He is a good, hard trier. For that matter, Lieu probably did enough to get a guernsey for 2023. If Trudgeon were that bit quicker, he'd be value too. Unfortunately, he lacks pace.
[4] We missed Mirkov, but the others really stood up in his absence. Cripps played probably his best game as a ruckman for the year. He played to his strengths, rather than his weaknesses. Akuei was similar: he used his athleticism and stopped his opponent from getting the ball. He had 13 taps, something he hasn't done this year to date. Glass-McCasker got 5 taps and provided a decent target in the forward line. All up, we had more taps, without an acknowledged ruck. That was great.
Personally, I think this worked out heavily in our favour, we had so so much run and mobility from the trio that played we didn't really miss Mirkov at all!
Kemp looks like a real player, just not sure where he fits in to the team. The ultimate utility!!
How tall is he? Are the stats accurate? They say 193cm - was that when drafted, or has he shot up a bit?
Personally, I think this worked out heavily in our favour, we had so so much run and mobility from the trio that played we didn't really miss Mirkov at all!
Run and mobility from young Cripps? Mirkov is a gazelle by comparison 🙂
I was pleasantly surprised by Akuei’s game. He played as a ruckman in junior footy and seemed more comfortable in that role than when he plays as a defender or forward. Perhaps because he was where the ball was, rather than trying to judge where the ball was going.
Crocker is a good player at this level but was below average at Collingwood & Crows no worth a precious list spot third time around.
Run and mobility from young Cripps? Mirkov is a gazelle by comparison 🙂
I think you are commenting from memory.
Mirkov's 2nd-1/2 of the season has been very ordinary, low mobility, little involvement away from the stoppage. He's been playing like a traffic cone, probably carrying an injury.
Today Cripps was actively tackling and shepherding for his Mids, he got involved in many marking contests and brought the ball to ground in our favour. We had run and he allowed us to the take advantage of it. If his selection was planned and not as a result of injury it was coaching genius.
Akuei was average in the ruck, but much like Silvagni, he was more than useful at applying 1% type pressure to the opposition around the stoppages he was involved in, and also contested well overhead without taking many marks. He needs a pre-season in the gym.
I've heard a rumor that Setterfield didn't meet the criteria for today's final and we may end up losing because he played.
Apparently he was named 13 times on the afl senior list, and only played 6 vfl games falling short of the 7 games required to play finals for the vfl side.
If so, that's a monumental cock up.
I've heard a rumor that Setterfield didn't meet the criteria for today's final and we may end up losing because he played.
Apparently he was named 13 times on the afl senior list, and only played 6 vfl games falling short of the 7 games required to play finals for the vfl side.
If so, that's a monumental cock up.
The qualification point is 6 games.
It sounds like the Filth getting filthy on the result.
I've heard a rumor that Setterfield didn't meet the criteria for today's final and we may end up losing because he played.
Apparently he was named 13 times on the afl senior list, and only played 6 vfl games falling short of the 7 games required to play finals for the vfl side.
If so, that's a monumental cock up.
Surely not.
Someone must be able to keep a tally.
Mind you. It would top off a year of monumental "almost" "what if" moments.
Crocker is a good player at this level but was below average at Collingwood & Crows no worth a precious list spot third time around.
Maybe there were reasons he didn't perform at Coll and Ade. He has kicked 29 and 33 goals in the last two seasons, that's a bloody good return. When I have seen him play, what strikes me is that he seems very sure and confident with ball in hand and has a solid kicking style and routine.
Cahill played 6 games for the Bombers over the 2020-21 seasons so you’d expect him to be a tad better than blokes who haven’t had that experience and development opportunity.
He is a good mark for his size, makes good decisions, tackles hard, and uses the ball well.
I suspect that he’s hoping for another crack at AFL but I don’t think that he would add much to our list. His goal kicking might be a little better than Durdin and Owies, but there wouldn’t be much in it.
Thanks DJC - Considering Durdin and Owies made critical errors in the last few games If Cahill is a better user by foot I would still put a lot of thought into it as it can be a a massive upgrade when the heat is on as we have seen. But i get it as EB said you cant have too many of those sorts on your list.
I just always favour good users over almost any other stat and why I would persevere with Setterfield but trade Dow out. Both have flaws but Setterfield is a decent user by foot (most of the time) while Dow kicking disposal with any level of pressure is still poor and unreliable and once you add in his lack of defensive run (or fitness ?) he should be traded IMO.
He may be able to rack up touches at the VFL level but he deficiencies will mean his chances of making it at AFL level are too low for us to keep persisting with.
I've heard a rumor that Setterfield didn't meet the criteria for today's final and we may end up losing because he played.
Apparently he was named 13 times on the afl senior list, and only played 6 vfl games falling short of the 7 games required to play finals for the vfl side.
If so, that's a monumental cock up.
Any player who plays an AFL game after 1 July is eligible for the VFL finals if they have played 6 VFL games during the season. The total number of AFL games played is irrelevant in Setterfield’s case.
Of course, the VFL would have confirmed which players were eligible to play.
Maybe there were reasons he didn't perform at Coll and Ade. He has kicked 29 and 33 goals in the last two seasons, that's a bloody good return. When I have seen him play, what strikes me is that he seems very sure and confident with ball in hand and has a solid kicking style and routine.
Kicked 29 & 33 in the seconds against some players not on AFL lists at all, in teams that were at times pathetic like the bullants. If he kicked 60 I’d say maybe but he is being compared to Owies Honey etc playing against professional footballers who are playing in the top league in the country! Dow is dominating VFL but still looks ordinary at AFL. Sorry 29 goals in seconds isn’t drafting standard
I think you are commenting from memory.
Mirkov's 2nd-1/2 of the season has been very ordinary, low mobility, little involvement away from the stoppage. He's been playing like a traffic cone, probably carrying an injury.
Today Cripps was actively tackling and shepherding for his Mids, he got involved in many marking contests and brought the ball to ground in our favour. We had run and he allowed us to the take advantage of it. If his selection was planned and not as a result of injury it was coaching genius.
Akuei was average in the ruck, but much like Silvagni, he was more than useful at applying 1% type pressure to the opposition around the stoppages he was involved in, and also contested well overhead without taking many marks. He needs a pre-season in the gym.
Always quick dismiss anyone else's ability to watch and analyse games of footy while enjoying the spectacle LP ::)
My memory may not be as good as it once was but I remember that Cripps hasn't played since round 14 because his form didn't justify selection. I also remember that Mirkov hasn't been quite as good since coming back from his ankle injury. However, he still dominated the hit outs and got plenty of the ball until his gashed knee. For example, in our Round 16 clash with Port Melbourne, Mirkov had 43 hit outs and 12 disposals and was effective around the ground.
If Akuei was average in the ruck today with only 13 hit outs, how many did Cripps get? And remember that Akuei is only 192cm whereas Begg and Kreuger are 197cm and 196cm respectively.
Akuei and Cripps both laid three tackles and Cripps failed to hold a mark. Akuei had 3 clearances and Cripps had 4. It wasn't a bad game from Cripps, but Akuei was better, and a fit Mirkov would have dominated. Akuei's second and third efforts often resulted in possessions to teammates and his spoiling in marking contests was great.
We were lucky that O'Keefe decided to recall Cripps, but playing Akuei in the ruck instead of as a defender or forward was a masterstroke.
Not sure how anyone who watched the game today can say with a straight face that Cripps was even serviceable.
The kid is miles off it and hardly touched the ball.
Crocker played as a midfielder at Collingwood and played on the wing and a bit half forward at the Crows from my memory. With the NBs he has been a medium forward masquerading as a KP forward given we have zero options in that area. As I said Tory Dickson did the same job as Crocker at the Bendigo Bombers and kicked 40 odd goals before getting taken by the Dogs.
Crocker has done his apprenticeship and is a smarter player now who can find the goals consistently.
Dickson was a nondescript player with less talent than Crocker but he hardly missed from set shots much like Crocker.
For a 12 month rookie contract I'd be happy to give him a go. Getting another player who can kick straight might give us an edge...you get randoms like Nick Davis, Dickson, Dew who kick goals in finals and win games.
My preference is to get Bruest but failing that happy to see Crocker as a rookie..
Always quick dismiss anyone else's ability to watch and analyse games of footy while enjoying the spectacle LP ::)
Not dismissive at all, just observing stuff that really matters, but not ball watching. Perhaps the masterstroke was the MC, naming Mirkov but not playing him.
Not sure how anyone who watched the game today can say with a straight face that Cripps was even serviceable.
The kid is miles off it and hardly touched the ball.
Next thing you will be posting that Kreuzer was a spud and we should draft Warnock.
Just like Pittonet early in the AFL season, the influence Kreuzer has had over Cripps as a ruck coach was obvious yesterday. Taps are just about the least interesting or important aspect of the ruck play, there are so very few clean taps it's all the other stuff that is far more important, positioning, managing space, blocking and shepherds.
If you don't believe my "taps are not that important" assertion go back and watch AFL season highlights for whenever stoppages go uncontested and see how few work out effective.
Players like Dow or Setterfield cannot collect and dispose the footy if opposition rucks have a free run at pegging them, both benefitted greatly yesterday from Cripps working to control his opponents access to the footy or the ball carrier, something Mirkov is yet to learn and has been starkly shown to us in several games this season including the infamous Frankston game.
The Filth ran with two ultra-mobile ruck options, I presume they thought Mirkov was going to play and they would easily run off him because in the second half of this season he ball watches. But Mirkov didn't play and the Filth mobile rucks had little influence on the result.
Cripps and Akuei did a great job, but not the same job.
It really was a terrific 4 qtr effort from the Magoos... great start then weathered the Rottingwood comeback. Real team effort with everyone, to varying degrees, doing their job/on the same page. It was a sudden death final and our boys performed without some of the 'nerves' we've seen with the senior lads. Stuck to the job and looked like they wanted and believed that the game was theirs to win.
Against a weakened Rottingwood ruck pair, our boys did their jobs. Crippa's young brother, though a mile off being a senior ruckman, showed potential... and that's all you can ask of someone in a new role and so young. Dom got in some very important spoils and competed well but would be eaten alive by more recognized and bigger ruckmen.
What I like about Tyreece is his attitude, run, aggression (at the aggott & opponent) and when he tackles, they stay tackled! So much to work with.
Ned has one of those features you really look for in a small forward, he loves to hit the scoreboard. And does. But, like Crocker, can he handle the increased attention/pressure and better opponents at senior level? Is there room for improvement and growth to justify a rookie spot? For me, yep, but Curly's lad and co. know a lot more than I do about these things.
Our next final will be against a better opponent again. Can't wait to see how the boys do.
Akeui looked better than any other game I have seen him in.
Setterfield was playing a different game to everyone else. Was also super clean by foot and hand.
Kemp and Dow continue to tease. Kemp's goal in the last was a cracker.
Motlop looked disinterested. I guess there's a big difference between 85K at that G, and 1500 and 10 dogs at Victoria Park.
Stocker was just travelling, Will Hayes is a professional VFL footballer, and Durdin was serviceable.
Trudgeon continues to impress me. If all our list tried as hard as he does, we'd be playing this week in the 1's and the 2's. If he ends up at somewhere like a Richmond and explodes a la Kane Lambert, we should be very pissed off. Tyreece Lieu certainly has something as well.
Considering he has no PS I think Stocker is doing OK and I'd hate to lose him. I think clubs will start looking around the periphery of our list and VFL squad.
Akeui looked better than any other game I have seen him in.
Setterfield was playing a different game to everyone else. Was also super clean by foot and hand.
Kemp and Dow continue to tease. Kemp's goal in the last was a cracker.
Motlop looked disinterested. I guess there's a big difference between 85K at that G, and 1500 and 10 dogs at Victoria Park.
Stocker was just travelling, Will Hayes is a professional VFL footballer, and Durdin was serviceable.
Trudgeon continues to impress me. If all out our list tried as hard as he does, we'd be playing this week in the 1's and the 2's. If he ends up at somewhere like a Richmond and explodes a la Kane Lambert, we should be very pissed off. Tyreece Lieu certainly has something as well.
Totally agree, Mr T. I forgot in my missive to mention Trudge. He's another who has a great attitude and hunger for the contest.
Not sure how anyone who watched the game today can say with a straight face that Cripps was even serviceable.
The kid is miles off it and hardly touched the ball.
Yeah, he wasnt quite a witches hat but he is miles off as you say. Showed a few signs that he can play, he is nowhere near fit or strong enough.
Not dismissive at all, just observing stuff that really matters, but not ball watching.
Cripps and Akuei did a great job, but not the same job.
There you go again LP. You're not the only person who observes stuff that really matters, like Cripps not getting to contests or arriving too late to have an impact. We have some keen students of the game at CSC and, while folk naturally notice different things, I don't think many noticed positioning, managing space, blocking and shepherds from Cripps; he was flat out trying limit his opponent's influence on the game.
Cripps and Akuei were serviceable, not great. By far the best games I have seen both play, but their combined output was still a long way from what Mirkov produces.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2022/08/28/vfl-shoots-down-online-controversy-following-pies-blues-final/
It's not unequivocal, but it seems as though the club did nothing wrong playing Setterfield.
Cripps and Akuei were serviceable, not great. By far the best games I have seen both play, but their combined output was still a long way from what Mirkov produces.
I don't see much difference between Mirkov's very best so far and what Cripps or Akuei produced last weekend, to me the difference is almost indistinguishable.
I'm truly perplexed by the fan love for Mirkov based on what he has produced so far, ignoring what he may produce in the future because that would be just a guess, I dread he'll be the next Warnock which is all tap and no substance!
But the tell is in a replay, go and watch Rnd 7, the loss to Frankston, https://www.afl.com.au/vfl/matches/4216 when Mirkov collects 54 empty taps and has almost zero influence, while a handful of Reidy moments swing the game! That game basically put an end to Mirkov's progress for 2022!
Considering he has no PS I think Stocker is doing OK and I'd hate to lose him. I think clubs will start looking around the periphery of our list and VFL squad.
Agree...I think Stocker will attract attention from other clubs and in particular Richmond who wanted him initially.
Dow will be another, as clubs might think they have a better system to take him into the next level.
TDK is the obvious one though and a ridiculous offer from a desperate club might make him and the list management team think about it....
It was good to see a Carlton side kicking goals in the last qtr and win, rather than points and lose!