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Reply #555
Did he see the Solomon Islands fiasco coming, and if so did he do anything to head it off?
- The world had noted this coming for a long time, but they were powerless to do anything about it, as it is all about corruption. Western governments get locked up for acting like China, they have no way to compete because the situation has no counter in Western law, and the UN gives all an equal vote with the big economies the power of veto. The situation is setup for abuse by those who are morally defunct.

And if he's so concerned about the Chinese threat, why didn't he stop the lease of the Darwin Port to the Chinese?
- This is certainly a contradiction, they want the money but they wish to retain the perception of sovereignty, does it really exist? The situation has so many parallels to the way the EU works, it seems to be a common failing of western bureaucracy, like an episode of Yes Minister! I suppose you could read it as China funding the procurement of nuclear subs.

Don't give me the line that the Federal Govt didn't have any role in that deal; if he'd wanted to stop it, he could have made sure it was declared against the national interest or used the Fed Govt's power over a territory to bring it to heel. It seems he's only interested in playing the tough guy by lobbing insults or doing a deal for nuclear submarines in 2038.
- The insults are for the general public, the nuclear subs are because the UK and USA have basically stated unless we carry our share of regional policing we cannot expect help. Knowledge is power, and the most influential and powerful aspect of a nuclear submarine is it's ability to sit off the coast of a foreign entity and gather information in virtually complete anonymity.

Personally, I think the subs were the right thing to do, especially now we see what is going on in Ukraine. Australia could have asked the French for a nuclear option but the confidence they would support Australia rather than remain neutral or even become sympathetic to China is pretty low, more than once in recent years France has chosen the East over the West, so we went for the option that brought with it a strengthening of our traditional ally. Of course historically this has always been the game the French play, they walk the fence line waiting to identify the victor before stepping one way or the other.

The idea that it puts us at greater risk is bit absurd, China has no regard for convention and it will roll across allies and the defenceless when it suits it to do so. If you are weak and defenceless China will step on you like a child steps on an ant, old world China has very little humanity, it likes to pick on weaker opponents so it runs an operation like Belt and Road.
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Reply #556
The "Port of Darwin" deal was and is an absolute disgrace.  Morrison wears the blame for that.


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The Solomon Islands Opposition Leader claims he warned Australian officials last year that China was negotiating a military pact which could see a base established on the strategically located Pacific nation.
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Former Army intelligence officer and University of New South Wales Professor, Clinton Fernandes, says China is making strong headway in Papua New Guinea just like it has in Solomon Islands.

"The next item on the agenda is the Daru Island area off Papua New Guinea which is going to have a Chinese presence and before too long a pro-China party will win the national elections in Papua New Guinea," he said.

Professor Fernandes said the same factors are in play in Papua New Guinea as in Solomon Islands, where Australian foreign aid is seen as not effective in countering China.

"We also interfere in their politics — when the Solomon Islands wanted to build an undersea internet cable between themselves and Sydney — we insisted which company would get that contract," he said.

"The current Prime Minister of Solomon Islands hasn't forgotten that episode and the same dynamic is in play in Papua New Guinea, when a large part of the aid budget actually comes back in salaries to foreign consultants".
Solomon Islands politician 'extremely disappointed' Australia ignored warnings of China military deal, abc.net.au

The problem is that Australia has been happy to bully the small island states in our neighbourhood in the same way that China bullies us. Let's not forget the way they pleaded with Australia for action on climate change as rising sea levels threatened their very existence, with one leader brought to tears over it. You'd think Morrison could have at least shown a bit of sympathy for their plight. It's not hard to see why our neighbours might think the bully of their bully is their friend.

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Reply #558
Solomon Islands politician 'extremely disappointed' Australia ignored warnings of China military deal, abc.net.au
Let's not forget the way they pleaded with Australia for action on climate change as rising sea levels threatened their very existence, with one leader brought to tears over it.

Australia 1.3% of the annual world's emissions ... all replaced by China in a mere 16 days.


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Reply #559
Australia 1.3% of the annual world's emissions ... all replaced by China in a mere 16 days.



I think it's more the principle and intention of support rather than actual %s or stats.
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Reply #560
If you include Australia's export of fossil fuels (coal etc) then Australia's contribution to emissions is 5%. And the Australian Govt has been one of the leaders of attempts to undermine global action on climate change.

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Reply #561
If you include Australia's export of fossil fuels (coal etc) then Australia's contribution to emissions is 5%. And the Australian Govt has been one of the leaders of attempts to undermine global action on climate change.

Yep but isn't it almost ironic that this govts present ad campaign saturation is all about how they are supporting 'green power' to meet our 2050 zero emissions and already we're 'supposedly' 20% down over the past few years. Amazing how when an election is looming that the present Govt is doing their utmost to secure a 'green' vote whilst ideologically and philosophically opposed to 'green' energy and enmeshed with a belief of 'no such thing as climate change' or that it is being exaggerated. Real forked tongue stuff.
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Reply #562
China love our better quality coal and we love selling it to them and Europe are reliant on Russia for natural gas and wont apply sanctions in that area. Its a strange world of contradictions we live in.....

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Reply #563
I won't write too much here we have an energy thread.

I understand a large chunk of Australia's export is black coal used for coking not energy, and even when we transition to clean energy that won't change as the demand for coking coal as steel production will not diminish even though steel mills move to greener energy, the coking coal is part of a chemical process to make steel not part of the energy production.

Not sure we export much brown coal, it's is mostly used domestically for energy production.

The coal everybody wants to trade is the black stuff, it sells at a far higher price, so much so there is a lot of R&D going into techniques to turn brown to black. The higher the black coal quality the better the alloys you can make.

Interestingly Japan mostly buys black coal for it's high tech energy production, black coal burns cleaner so it's easier to deal with the waste, Japan's technologies eliminate about 80% of the waste emissions. Protestors will still rally against this but as a short term transitional solution that technology is as good as immediately shutting 80% of your coal fired power plants, actually for Australia it would be equivalent to shutting even more than 80% because the brown coal we burn for energy is not as clean. The only long term viable solution is still nuclear be it fission or fusion, several countries that historically closed nuclear are now reversing the decision, they have become woke to the lobbyist tactics.

Solar, wind and other renewable energy lobbyists tend to just lump coal(pun intended) all in the same basket.

PS; When Australia stops selling black coal or supply is limited, China and India do their best to get it from other sources like Borneo and the Amazon Basin! The lobbyists paint us as vandals, but the truth is far more complicated.
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Reply #564
Nuclear.  'Cos wind and solar won't ever do it. 

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Reply #565
The best example of the addiction the Morrison Govt has to coal is in the production of hydrogen as a green fuel. This will allow truckers to use a fuel that can be distributed like diesel but burns without emissions.

There are broadly 2 ways of producing hydrogen: using electricity or coal-fired power to provide the energy to split the hydrogen from the oxygen in water. The former can be green if the electricity is produced from solar or other green power but coal is decidedly dirty.

Australian scientists have made a huge leap forward in the efficiency of electrolysers: they've produced 95% efficiency compared to 75% previously: Australian researchers claim ‘giant leap’ in technology to produce affordable renewable hydrogen, The Guardian. Green hydrogen is therefore on track to be competitive with coal-fired hydrogen production by 2025 with costs of under $2 per kilo.

But there's no surprise that the Morrison Govt sees coal-fired hydrogen production as its gift to addressing climate change even though it's dependent on "clean coal" solutions that may be pie in the sky: Coal-based liquid hydrogen pivotal for green energy? The experts doubt it, The Guardian.
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A world-first shipment of liquid hydrogen from Australia was declared momentous – a pivotal moment as the world clambers for clean liquid fuels to bring global greenhouse gas emissions to zero.

Prime minister Scott Morrison said the consignment – loaded on to a purpose-built Japanese ship at the Port of Hastings in Victoria – marked the beginning of a new clean energy export industry for Australia.

Despite the celebratory fanfare and two government ministers at the port for a photo-op, the reality is something different.
Experts say the climate credentials of the technology being used to produce the hydrogen – using brown coal – are highly questionable.

“The project’s current configuration is not clean. In fact, it is incredibly dirty,” said Kobad Bhavnagri, head of industrial decarbonisation at Bloomberg NEF.

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To bring emissions down, HESC says a commercial operation would capture CO2 released during one of the stages of production (the gasification phase carried out in the Latrobe Valley) and then use the Victorian government’s CarbonNet project to store the CO2.

But the CarbonNet project – which is targeting potential geological formations off the Victorian coast – doesn’t yet exist and, if it does go ahead, the Victorian government says it won’t start operating until the end of this decade.

All of this raises the prospect of coal-based hydrogen – which the Morrison government is happy to describe as “clean” – hitting a global market at a time when some analysts believe it will be already priced out by zero-emissions hydrogen derived from renewable energy.

Bhavnagri told Temperature Check he doubts using coal to make hydrogen could have any commercial success.

He said assuming the project could capture and store a significant amount of CO2, the carbon footprint of the hydrogen would still be higher than producing hydrogen from gas with CCS and “much higher than producing it from renewables”.

“If it’s more complex and more costly and more polluting than making hydrogen from renewables, why would you do it?”

If you want to make money, just float a proposal to the Morrison Govt that includes the words "clean coal". Then you just have to make sure you won't be crushed under all of the money that the Govt will give you so it can burnish its climate credentials.


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Reply #566
I won't write too much here we have an energy thread.

I understand a large chunk of Australia's export is black coal used for coking not energy, and even when we transition to clean energy that won't change as the demand for coking coal as steel production will not diminish even though steel mills move to greener energy, the coking coal is part of a chemical process to make steel not part of the energy production.

Not sure we export much brown coal, it's is mostly used domestically for energy production.

The coal everybody wants to trade is the black stuff, it sells at a far higher price, so much so there is a lot of R&D going into techniques to turn brown to black. The higher the black coal quality the better the alloys you can make.

Interestingly Japan mostly buys black coal for it's high tech energy production, black coal burns cleaner so it's easier to deal with the waste, Japan's technologies eliminate about 80% of the waste emissions. Protestors will still rally against this but as a short term transitional solution that technology is as good as immediately shutting 80% of your coal fired power plants, actually for Australia it would be equivalent to shutting even more than 80% because the brown coal we burn for energy is not as clean. The only long term viable solution is still nuclear be it fission or fusion, several countries that historically closed nuclear are now reversing the decision, they have become woke to the lobbyist tactics.

Solar, wind and other renewable energy lobbyists tend to just lump coal(pun intended) all in the same basket.

PS; When Australia stops selling black coal or supply is limited, China and India do their best to get it from other sources like Borneo and the Amazon Basin! The lobbyists paint us as vandals, but the truth is far more complicated.


China (Mainland) have 1,100 coal fired power plants and are building another 1.1 billion dollar plant, around 75% of the worlds total, thats a lot of coal......Japs are building another 22 power stations running on Aussie coal.
Ukraine have been buying their gas from Poland, Romania and couple of other countries thus cutting dependence on Russia and were about to do isolation testing in an attempt to breakaway from the Russian electricity grid but Putin timed his invasion for the day they were going to experiment by cutting the Russian link. Ukraine want to hook up with Western Europe and become part of that grid and dump the Ruskies and Belarusian distibution networks which they are tied to at the moment.
Vlad wasnt having Ukraine cut all power ties and while I know electrical stability will be an issue if Ukraine join the other EU grid, the US and other countries were going to help them achieve their goal.
For all Putins political rhetoric about saving Russians living in Ukraine from the mythical Nazi Zelensky regime it all gets back to money and big business and the leverage Russia has on many countries in terms of energy supply.
No surprise he wants to be paid in Ruble's now which means other countries have to buy them so he is trying to counter the effect sanctions have had and how much the ruble has plummeted in value.


 

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Reply #567
When the rouble has plunged over 50% since the invasion, no wonder he's losing friends.

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Reply #568
China love our better quality coal and we love selling it to them and Europe are reliant on Russia for natural gas and wont apply sanctions in that area. Its a strange world of contradictions we live in.....

Much like the critters than inhabit it (planet Earth)!
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Reply #569
Green hydrogen is therefore on track to be competitive with coal-fired hydrogen production by 2025 with costs of under $2 per kilo.
All the expert commentators seem to wilfully ignore the R&D going at the moment to convert coal and other fossil fuels by catalysis to liquified hydrogen, so they make the argument based on conventional electrolysis.

But these experts, if they are experts and not renewable lobbyists, also know the R&D going on at Newcastle Uni related to catalytic conversion of liquified brown coal to clean hydrogen via a catalysis reactor that is designed to run off solar thermal. Basically it's getting to the point of upscaled trials. This by the way is not new, it's been in R&D since the early 2000s.

It's also a process that like a desalination plant is a very serious option for complimentary installation with nuclear. Nuclear / Hydrogen Refinery or Nuclear / Desalination Plant, this type of configuration is the preferred option for nuclear to operate at peak efficiency.

Know a state in a drought riddled country with a expensive to operate desalination plant or a state with an aluminium refinery that has had operations derailed due to high energy costs, either needing cheap base load power to be viable?
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