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Reply #675
Speaking of the Ukraine, I have a better claim to rule the place than Vladimir Vladimirovich has: I have ancestors who ruled the area (including Great Prince Vladimir of the Kievan Rus). Also the Princes of Chernigov (Chernihiv, in Ukrainian).
It might be a technicality, but Vladimir Vladimirovich can't know his heritage back more than 4 generations: the Soviets destroyed most of the genealogical information in Russia not long after the Revolution. The idea was to make it impossible for people to claim lineage from the Tsars.

I used to work with a Russian lass in one of my earlier schools. She knew nothing of her family history past her grandparents. She thought it was a great joke that I was related the Great Princes of the Kievan Rus.
For that matter, so do I.
However, I still think I have a better claim: I'm not a homicidal maniac who kills his opponents.
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Reply #676
Fascinating Crash :)

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Reply #677
France are planning 14 more nuclear reactors by 2050 according to Macron.France has no oil, no gas and no coal and wants to close it's remaining  fossil fuel burning plants.
Australia would need about 25 reactors and they take around 10 -15 years to build.
You need plenty of water and they need to be near consumers so that's building around the coast plus you need foreign investment from companies and the reality is that will come from China etc who already have a strong ownership in our distribution network.
Can't see any Government making the nuke call in Aus and risking the backlash in the short to medium term.

Fourteen more nuclear plants might be according to Macron but the official policy is down to 50% by 2035.  That may change if Macron wins another term.

Nuclear power plants are regularly constructed within five years now.  Of course, there would have to be major legislative change at Commonwealth level as well as some States and Territories and I can't really see that happening.  Then there's the Environmental Effects Statement process so, from proposal to production could well take 10-15 years, if the legislative regime changed.

I can't see any Australian government allowing PRC investment in nuclear power stations and I suspect that we will be buying back the distribution network before long.
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Reply #678
Interesting article about the impending closure of Eraring, the biggest coal-fired power station in Australia. Renewable power has resulted in the closure being brought forward by 7 years to 2025.

Switching off, abc.net.au

The article shows how badly the shutdown will affect the workers at the plant and the local businesses which rely upon it. It also notes how well Germany handled the transition from fossil fuel energy generation to renewables and how badly governments handle the transition. The Germans made sure the transition would unfold over 50 years. Our transitions happen almost overnight.

But the fact that the power plant is going to be replaced by a battery is a pretty clear indication that nuclear power has no chance of taking off in Australia. The power plant is called Eraring after Lake Eraring, a plentiful supply of water. It also has the facilities to step up power to transmit it to the grid. After all, it supplies 20% of NSW's power. It's also in a regional location, so it wouldn't attract too many NIMBY complaints. I'd imagine the local residents would prefer the power plant to be replaced by another power station that would bring jobs with it, whereas the battery will only involve a construction crew of 128 and only 10 jobs once it's completed.

Yallourn is also closing by 2028 and will again be replaced by a battery:   Energy Australia to close Yallourn power station early and build 350 megawatt battery, abc.net.au.





The bottom line is what is driving this is not some almighty love of renewables by the owners....Energy Aust is the Chinese Light and Power company who couldnt give a flying feck about Aus Jobs, people or renewables. Its what makes them the most money for the least possible outlay, controlled by the mega rich Kadoorie clan who also own the Hong Kong Nuclear Investment Company so I wouldnt be getting too comfortable about no nukes down the track.
Origin are an listed ASX company and beholding to its shareholders and its two main shareholders are JP Morgans and HSBC Nominees Aus who are all Investment bankers which again is bottom line stuff so they wont be doing whats best for Australia and will be looking after their shareholders and directors. Management have always been diabolical although the new lot seem better than before...
An interesting side issue is the bid by the Canadian group Brookfield and Zillionaire Mike Cannon Brooks to takeover AGL and make the dirtiest power company in Aus the greenest by 2030...1st bid knocked back by the AGL board and rightly so but then knocked back the second bid as well.
These two entities do have the dough to make fossil fuel power station closures quicker and deliver on the renewable replacement equipment but want the business cheap and the Aus Govts policy is for coal powered plants to run their course.
There has to be middle ground in this where Brookefield/Cannon Brookes can guarantee employment for workers who lose their jobs and also make their offer more appealing which in turn who allow Government approval.
The Government dont have the money to make this project happen so it needs the money from these other sources and its worth looking at IMO and I'd rather Canadians owning part of the power grid supply than the Chinese.
Brookfield already own Ausnet an old employer of mine...


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Reply #679
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/how-vladimir-putin-s-war-in-ukraine-is-forcing-his-friends-to-choose-between-russia-and-the-west/ar-AAVYBFs?ocid=entnewsntp&cvid=b13af01cc852473eac3e50287f1fb791

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I keep reminding people, to understand the present, history is the best guide we have, and those who ignore it are doomed to repeat it. 

Its all Roman era politics playing itself out over and over again. 
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Reply #680
Oh my!
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London: Boris Johnson has pledged to approve up to eight new nuclear power plants in the next eight years as Britain seeks to end its dependence on foreign oil and gas, and dramatically cut its emissions and lower household energy costs.
Who'd have thunk that wind wouldn't cut it for the UK or other European destinations!
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Reply #681
I wonder why he's not relying on solar. We have the full range of renewable solutions at our disposal.

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Reply #682
The thing that is often overlooked with this whole power thing is its availability.
The sun doesn't shine for 24 hours.
The wind doesn't blow for 24 hours.
What do you do in the meantime? You need some HUGE batteries to cope.....and then we start into our battery debate again.

What happens if we put all our eggs into the solar basket and there is a volcano, or even an asteroid that plunges a city, state, country into darkness for days on end? Remember the volcano that shut down all of europe a few years ago?

Nuclear works, just like coal, whenever you need it too.

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Reply #683
Yep, you can have those sorts of unexpected natural disasters. I seem to remember a Tsunami took out the nuclear power plant at Fookushima. It would indeed be unfortunate if we had a nuclear power plant that was taken out by a volcano, an earthquake or an asteroid strike.

PS: Yes, I know that's not the actual name of the place in Japan but the system changed what I wrote to screwushima!

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Reply #684
I wonder why he's not relying on solar. We have the full range of renewable solutions at our disposal.
I was surprised just how much solar they had last time I was in the UK, it's all over domestic roof tops, but I suppose the UK the population is less mobile, they tend to put down roots and stay.
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Reply #685
Yep, you can have those sorts of unexpected natural disasters. I seem to remember a Tsunami took out the nuclear power plant at Fookushima. It would indeed be unfortunate if we had a nuclear power plant that was taken out by a volcano, an earthquake or an asteroid strike.
The reality is that the bulk of harmful emissions from these events are very short lived and the bulk of it is contained to the immediate vicinity, the long lived stuff the anti-nuclear lobby continually harp on about remains contained. Three Mile Island for example emitted no radiation at all.

The real risk for long term dispersed contamination is the way waste is stored, handled and dispersed, not the threat of the power plant or it's reactors. Even the recent case in the Ukraine held very little risk of a major event, however if the same bombs had targeted the waste facilities then it would be a different matter. This is why I'm an advocate for Australia and other similar geographies to be global repositories for waste, and actually profit enormously from it. I realise the anti-nuclear / pro-renewables brigade rally against this idea, but in the same breath they demand Australia be held to account for it's waste from coal exports which seems hypocritical.

By volume more radioactive particulates are emitted from a normally operated coal fired plant over it's lifetime than will ever comes out of a normally operated nuclear plant over it's lifetime.

The best solution, in terms for having an immediate short term impact that can be sustained long term, seems to be a balanced approach using a diverse array of low carbon energy sources.
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Reply #686
Do you think it's a bit naive to be taking what Boris says to the bank? Boris, Scomo & Trump are birds of feather. Scomo has gone big on projects that will only start years into the future (if they ever do) and I guess Boris has learnt at the feet of the master.

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Reply #687
The reality is that the bulk of harmful emissions from these events are very short lived and the bulk of it is contained to the immediate vicinity, the long lived stuff the anti-nuclear lobby continually harp on about remains contained. Three Mile Island for example emitted no radiation at all.

The real risk for long term dispersed contamination is the way waste is stored, handled and dispersed, not the threat of the power plant or it's reactors. Even the recent case in the Ukraine held very little risk of a major event, however if the same bombs had targeted the waste facilities then it would be a different matter. This is why I'm an advocate for Australia and other similar geographies to be global repositories for waste, and actually profit enormously from it. I realise the anti-nuclear / pro-renewables brigade rally against this idea, but in the same breath they demand Australia be held to account for it's waste from coal exports which seems hypocritical.

By volume more radioactive particulates are emitted from a normally operated coal fired plant over it's lifetime than will ever comes out of a normally operated nuclear plant over it's lifetime.

The best solution, in terms for having an immediate short term impact that can be sustained long term, seems to be a balanced approach using a diverse array of low carbon energy sources.
https://www.npr.org/2022/04/07/1091396292/satellite-photo-shows-russian-troops-were-stationed-in-chernobyls-radioactive-zo
A few old locals still residing around those danger areas too, be interesting to test those Russian troops and those locals and see what levels they have. As you say I dont see a waste dump for profit being a popular idea in Aus, didnt that idea get brought up years ago with the French wanting to dump uranium waste in Aus?

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Reply #688
As you say I dont see a waste dump for profit being a popular idea in Aus, didnt that idea get brought up years ago with the French wanting to dump uranium waste in Aus?

Bob Hawke floated the idea in the 80s EB .... somewhere on the border of NT and SA

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Reply #689
The thing that is often overlooked with this whole power thing is its availability.
The sun doesn't shine for 24 hours.
The wind doesn't blow for 24 hours.
If you can explain that to all the hippies it would be much appreciated. Good Luck.
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