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At the 2022 Federal Election which party will receive your first preference?

LNP
[ 7 ] (26.9%)
ALP
[ 8 ] (30.8%)
Greens
[ 2 ] (7.7%)
One Nation
[ 0 ] (0%)
United Australia Party
[ 3 ] (11.5%)
Other
[ 2 ] (7.7%)
None of the Above
[ 4 ] (15.4%)

Total Members Voted: 26

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Reply #75
Not with a public face, but it is there, hidden from view. If it's allowed to flourish our sons and daughters will share less liberty than us.

Our generation complaining about the brutality of leadership in things like the recent "harsh lockdowns" just plays directly into the hands of the extremists, they want you to believe you've been hard done by, it's the currency they deal in. But they are not for all Australians, as you well know!

Not sure if you've noticed but we don't have the freedoms we used to already.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

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Reply #76
We certainly don't @Thryleon ... look no further than our own backyard under andrews.


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Reply #78
The ACLU (American Civil Liberties Union) has always been an outspoken defender of civil liberties. So ... they'd rail against vaccine mandates, right? Wrong!
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Do vaccine mandates violate civil liberties? Some who have refused vaccination claim as much.

We disagree.

At the ACLU, we are not shy about defending civil liberties, even when they are very unpopular. But we see no civil liberties problem with requiring Covid-19 vaccines in most circumstances.

While the permissibility of requiring vaccines for particular diseases depends on several factors, when it comes to Covid-19, all considerations point in the same direction. The disease is highly transmissible, serious and often lethal; the vaccines are safe and effective; and crucially there is no equally effective alternative available to protect public health.

In fact, far from compromising civil liberties, vaccine mandates actually further civil liberties. They protect the most vulnerable among us, including people with disabilities and fragile immune systems, children too young to be vaccinated and communities of color hit hard by the disease.

Vaccine requirements also safeguard those whose work involves regular exposure to the public, like teachers, doctors and nurses, bus drivers and grocery store employees. And by inoculating people from the disease’s worst effects, the vaccines offer the promise of restoring to all of us our most basic liberties, eventually allowing us to return safely to life as we knew it, in schools and at houses of worship and political meetings, not to mention at restaurants, bars, and gatherings with family and friends.

Here’s why civil liberties objections to Covid vaccine mandates are generally unfounded.

Vaccines are a justifiable intrusion on autonomy and bodily integrity. That may sound ominous, because we all have the fundamental right to bodily integrity and to make our own health care decisions. But these rights are not absolute. They do not include the right to inflict harm on others.

While vaccine mandates are not always permissible, they rarely run afoul of civil liberties when they involve highly infectious and devastating diseases like Covid-19. Although this disease is novel, vaccine mandates are not. Schools, health care facilities, the U.S. military and many other institutions have long required vaccination for contagious diseases like mumps and measles that pose far less risk than the coronavirus does today.

In the United States alone, more than 39 million people have been infected with Covid-19 and more than 600,000 people have died. People with intellectual and physical disabilities are more likely to contract Covid-19, and they have much higher rates of hospitalization and death. Children’s hospitals in Georgia, Louisiana and other states are reporting high admissions of infected patients, and many are running out of beds.

Even though the F.D.A. and independent medical experts have found Covid-19 vaccines to be extremely safe and highly effective, a sizable portion of the eligible population has chosen not to be vaccinated. In this context, Covid-19 vaccine mandates — much like mask mandates — are public health measures necessary to protect people from severe illness and death. They are therefore permissible in many settings where the unvaccinated pose a risk to others, including schools and universities, hospitals, restaurants and bars, workplaces and businesses open to the public.

https://www.aclu.org/news/civil-liberties/civil-liberties-and-vaccine-mandates-heres-our-take

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Reply #79
Not sure if you've noticed but we don't have the freedoms we used to already.
I wouldn't judge restrictions during a pandemic as loss of freedom.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

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Reply #80
I wouldn't judge restrictions during a pandemic as loss of freedom.

Drive at 30km an hour down Wellington Street has SFA to do with the pandemic.

Likewise my wife losing her brand new moisturiser before boarding a flight because it was over 100mls.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

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Reply #81
Mygov, mygovid, director ids, know your client - to name a few - compliance for government requirements is increasing - they know more and more about us!

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Reply #82
Likewise my wife losing her brand new moisturiser before boarding a flight because it was over 100mls.

Unfortunately Thry, the carriage of LAGs (liquids aerosols gels) is 2006 IATA legislation followed by all airlines.  Those restrictions (by law) must be included in the (pdf) terms and restrictions when you purchase a ticket or viewed on the respective carrier websites before parting with your hard earned.  ;)  

Sad, but true

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Reply #83
Drive at 30km an hour down Wellington Street has SFA to do with the pandemic.

Likewise my wife losing her brand new moisturiser before boarding a flight because it was over 100mls.
Are you being serious or taking the piss?
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

 

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Reply #84
My oldest is still feeling the effects of missing half of 4 year old kinder and half of prep.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

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Reply #85
First world problems are devistating.
Let’s go BIG !

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Reply #86
My oldest is still feeling the effects of missing half of 4 year old kinder and half of prep.
Indeed, my wife is a teacher so I know exactly what you mean but these have been a unique set of circumstances that have screwed with the entire globe.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

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Reply #87
Are you being serious or taking the piss?

Sorry do I have to give you a list of all things that aren't what they used to be or can I just give you some exams to help point you in the direction of examining life and thinking what happened?

I'll give you some more.  Try cut down a native tree on your property.

Do some building works that are over 15k without a permit.

I got a passout at the footy and had to show my QR code a second time on reentry recently.

Ive been paying to see a GP for the last few years because the others in the area are either booked for a week, or just certificate bulk billers who can't help you with any real health issues.

"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

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Reply #88
I don't know, some things are more restrictive, but just thinking back....

They used to close the pubs at 6.00pm

You had to have a licence to watch television.

They'd pull a marble out of a barrel and send you overseas to fight in a dubious war in a steamy jungle.

Same sex relationships were a criminal offence.

I reckon (pandemic restrictions aside) we're probably a lot freer than we've ever been.

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Reply #89
Equally, there are plenty of examples where our rights have been stripped away @Lods

But I sure do remember TV licences, a pernicious and disgusting tax that, amazingly, still exists in the U.K.  They're that far out of touch, a different rate applies between colour and black & white.