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At the 2022 Federal Election which party will receive your first preference?

LNP
[ 7 ] (26.9%)
ALP
[ 8 ] (30.8%)
Greens
[ 2 ] (7.7%)
One Nation
[ 0 ] (0%)
United Australia Party
[ 3 ] (11.5%)
Other
[ 2 ] (7.7%)
None of the Above
[ 4 ] (15.4%)

Total Members Voted: 26

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Reply #225 –
One arrogant prick gone, one more to go in November.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

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Reply #226 –
The 'Teal' independents are an interesting group.
In general terms they appear to be highly intelligent, professional women at the top of their game.
Their future outside of politics would be very successful and lucrative.

Do we see these folks as 20-30 year politicians like many of the traditional members of parliament.
I kind of doubt that, but I may be wrong.
Are they there for a short term impact to push their stated agendas, and what happens in a situation where they aren't in a position to have impact on government decisions.
With the aid of the Green independents the Government wont necessarily need their votes, rendering them largely irrelevant to the decision making process.

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Reply #227 –
Are the liberal national party really a bunch of right wing fascist Bible promoters who hate women?

Thats the theory according to some on here.

In reality they don't even look moderately right.  They are just further right from Labor (who similarly are centrist).
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

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Reply #228 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 on
Would prefer Labor govern in their own right than have to deal and make bargains with these one policy parties who lack a grasp of the big picture and have these simplistic views.
I think this is the real solution to both parties poor performance long term, the concept of a coalition is dead, but it looks entrenched and it's doing none of us good in the short term!

Too many compromises, not enough action, bureaucracy eternally crippled by never ending political discourse.
The Force Awakens!

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Reply #229 –
Quote from: Thryleon on
Are the liberal national party really a bunch of right wing fascist Bible promoters who hate women?
I think that is applying an extremist view, you do not have to hate women to believe they best serve the society pregnant and in the kitchen, and you do not have to be a fascist to believe your religion is the only true religion and that the word of your God rules!

Scomo lost many of us with his "God's Will" approach to the natural disasters a couple of years back, his inaction was abhorrent! Perrottet is basically an extension of fundamentalist Christian view points, and while Guy might have sacked one or two for fundamentalist views make no mistake they were sacked for being the ones who spoke out not the ones with the odd one off beliefs!

A lot of Dan Haters carry on about the fascism of the lockdowns, which may have actually saved some lives, but they say little about the people that are still living in tents and caravans from the fires back in 2019/20, a total lack of action under the watch of people like Scomo, Craig Kelly and a host of then Coalition others!
The Force Awakens!

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Reply #230 –
A lot of people don't like Dan because he's a corrupt piece of crap.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

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Reply #231 –
For the sake of moderate Liberal voters, I hope the Liberal Party goes back to the centre and tries to woo the Teal independents to join the Liberal Party. At least that would give the Liberal Party an incentive to reverse the swing to the hard right.

I had the misfortune of tuning into Sky News today and they were clearly running the Fox News line. They had the requisite blonde with long hair in an evening dress hosting with a brash young right-wing guy (classic Fox News) and these 2 geniuses argued that Scomo lost the election because he tried to placate various groups and by doing so he had lost his "authenticity". The blonde girl said she liked him being filmed at Evangelical churches as this was his authentic self. They both agreed that the next Liberal leader has to learn this lesson and not stray away from authenticity (i.e. has to be an uncompromisingly hard right wingnut). They then went on to credit the Scomo government with everything good in the world.

What I take from this is that the assumption the Liberals will move back to the centre is dodgy at best. Dutton isn't likely to try to soften his image and the rightwing echo chamber will lash him if he tries. The same sort of fork in the road occurred in the USA after Obama's 2 wins and the Republican Party released an Autopsy which suggested a move back to the centre for fear of losing non-white voters who will increasingly be a majority of voters. As we know, that never happened as Trump took the GOP to the hard right. And he won against Hillary. If the conservative wing of the Liberal Party sees that as a template, they'll rejoice that the Teals killed off the moderates. The big problem for them, though, is that Trump's playbook works over there because there's no compulsory voting and political control of the voting process allows for Gerrymanders and voter suppression. 

There was some schadenfreude in watching Frydenberg lose his safe seat after he submitted totally to hard right control of his party. But it would probably have been far better for Australia if he'd held his seat and was able to return the Liberal Party its more moderate roots.

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Reply #232 –
Quote from: Mav on
There was some schadenfreude in watching Frydenberg lose his safe seat after he submitted totally to hard right control of his party. But it would probably have been far better for Australia if he'd held his seat and was able to return the Liberal Party its more moderate roots.
I completely concur, I'm not really one or the other, but what we have today is quite possibly worse than before because of the Teal and other minority factions.

The question for me for the next election is simply this, is Teal the real deal, will the Coalition loss allow more moderates to exit the closet or are they still scared to ruffle the fundamentalist rule?

I believe there is a laziness about this result, a complete lack of fight on the Coalition side to preserve their basic ethos has cost them dearly. They took the low road and thought bashing the ALP was all they needed to do to win, despite years of nearly no demonstrable action on so many major federal issues. I suspect Teal is born of a dissatisfaction with this recent history, too much of the coalition leaving it to fate!
The Force Awakens!
 

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Reply #233 –
So they are fascist bible beaters who believe a women's role is solely in the kitchen?

Just trying to workout if you guys are completely out to lunch or not.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

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Reply #234 –
Quote from: Thryleon on
So they are fascist bible beaters who believe a women's role is solely in the kitchen?

Just trying to workout if you guys are completely out to lunch or not.
No..but I think they undervalued the female vote and younger voters interest in climate change and that younger vote probably had a good percentage of Liberal Voters who had a priority interest in climate change and swapped parties.
ScoMo underperformed in his response to the treatment/abuse of women in parliament house and seemed surprised at how quickly the teal team organised themselves to help Labor and the Greens wipe out the Liberals.
Dutton is another old style long term Liberal polly and I'm tipping Julie Bishop might be right when she suggested Jane Hume as leadership material, the other prominent female Liberal is Michaelia Cash who is a very good performer in question time and i think one of those two will be a surprise Deputy to Dutton initially in an attempt to show the Liberals are not a male dominated party.
They could do worse than employ Julie Bishop to nurture some of their female talent to rise to the top....Angus Taylor is the other Lib who I think can become leader and was the Minister for Energy with a strong interest in Climate change  and he is my pick to be Duttons sidekick if the Libs cant bring themselves to elect a female deputy.

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Reply #235 –
Dutton seems the likely leader but that would be a huge mistake.
It's to the more moderate side the Liberals must move.
There's more votes there than recapturing the One-nation /UAP vote.
The Teal independents are ineffective because they won't be in a position to influence decisions.

The Albanese government will be a left /leaning government.
One itching to implement some significant reforms.
That may leave space for the Libs to move into.

Palmer...needs to stop wasting his money.
Hanson...no longer a factor.
These votes will come back to the conservatives anyway.

For Labor's side.
A big opportunity to make some significant changes...but they face some difficult times, not necessarily in their control.
If they can weather that storm they may be looking at 2 or 3 terms.

Will the move to independents continue?
I actually doubt it.
If Labor are a successful government they'll introduce a lot of the reforms that will remove the independents relevance.
If they're not those independent votes will switch back to the coalition.

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Reply #236 –
Quote from: madbluboy on
One arrogant prick gone, one more to go in November.
Cant see that happening given yesterdays voting in Vic.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

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Reply #237 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton on
I wonder how many people are waking up this morning and quoting Eddie Murphy from "Delirious" - "The m____ f____ won!?"

With a Labour Gov admirably led by the Greens, I and all my fellow hunters can now kiss the time old hunting/gathering goodbye. My father will be turning in his grave, sorry Dad. Fisherman? You're next.

Hunting and fishing are State and Territory responsibilities G2C … and they are revenue raisers.

I think we’ll be right for a while to come 🙂
“Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?”  Oddball

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Reply #238 –
Be vewy vewy quiet, I'm huntin' wabbits!
Reality always wins in the end.

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Reply #239 –
Quote from: Lods on
Dutton seems the likely leader but that would be a huge mistake.
It's to the more moderate side the Liberals must move.

Absolutely. Just what the Libs need, another far Right head-kicker... ::)
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17