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At the 2022 Federal Election which party will receive your first preference?

LNP
[ 7 ] (26.9%)
ALP
[ 8 ] (30.8%)
Greens
[ 2 ] (7.7%)
One Nation
[ 0 ] (0%)
United Australia Party
[ 3 ] (11.5%)
Other
[ 2 ] (7.7%)
None of the Above
[ 4 ] (15.4%)

Total Members Voted: 26

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Reply #240 –
Late this year is going to be the real show... Andrews has his detractors but how anybody can vote for absolute stooges like Guy and O'Brien is beyond my understanding.  I'm genuinely praying  there's some decent independents running in my electorate.
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

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Reply #241 –
Quote from: Professer E on
Late this year is going to be the real show... Andrews has his detractors but how anybody can vote for absolute stooges like Guy and O'Brien is beyond my understanding.  I'm genuinely praying  there's some decent independents running in my electorate.
Hard to disagree.....Matthew Guy is the invisible Guy, I'm no fan of Andrews and he a liar but on the back of the National trend and the lack of opposition he is going to romp it in IMHO.

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Reply #242 –
I think that the Liberals forgot who they were supposed to be representing and the independents filled that void to some extent - as the voters weren't going to switch to Labor.  The independents seems to be capable people, but time will tell.  This and, in Vic, the dislike of Morrison was a big factor.  There have been a few good (as far as I am aware) Liberals lose their seat - the old do you vote for/against the party or the candidate.  In this case it was against the party to the candidate's downfall.

I flicked between the channels last night - I thought Birmingham was pretty reasonable.  It would also be a shame for the Liberals if Constance didn't get in - he seems like a pretty solid person who wants to better the community (don't know of the Labor member at all)

If the liberals can turn around and show decency to all, stop obfuscating, show that they will make decisions that benefit the country, treat women with respect (including pre-selecting capable women in winnable seats) some of the independent vote will go back.

Interesting that in WA there can't be much of a Liberal party left.  Nothing in State and smashed Federal.

I wonder how much the decrease in vote to LNP and Labor was from people like me - don't number them one, but number so that the least worst gets the preference.

In Vic, Morrison was on the nose.  There is a pretty strong anti Andrews sentiment as well, but I don't think if Guy plays as a small target that will be enough.

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Reply #243 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 on
Hard to disagree.....Matthew Guy is the invisible Guy, I'm no fan of Andrews and he a liar but on the back of the National trend and the lack of opposition he is going to romp it in IMHO.
The Libs should concede now
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

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Reply #244 –
Guy and Dutton are just place holders for the next leader, until the Libs grow some cohunes to stand up to the right they be consigned to oblivion.

The Libs seem obsessed with the Republican way forward, but it's not going to work here, I think they have spent far far too much time listening to the noisy minorities and not finding out what the bulk of the general public wants!

The politicians on both sides appear to jump for the idiot screaming at the end of the street, and basically ignore all the concerned neighbours! For example, last night the Libs complained about Victoria, why wasn't there more outrage about Andrews and anti-ALP backlash, etc., etc., well simply because it is the noisy self-affirming idiots that make all the racket and they are clearly in the minority! Most people, and that is the vast majority, are just happy to play their role and do whatever they can to keep those around them safe and healthy and would do it again! If you don't believe that to be true then also explain WA, which was basically succeeded from Australia for most of the pandemic, yet still had the massive swing to the ALP?

If that isn't a clear enough signal to anyone considering their position, I don't know what is and I suspect they spend a bit too much time sitting around together self-pollinating!
The Force Awakens!

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Reply #245 –
The sound bites I heard from Albo though cliches were reassuring, talking about inclusion and governing for all etc… I for one are totally over the trumpian politics of division and demonisation.
Let’s go BIG !

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Reply #246 –
If Dutton becomes leader and moves the Coalition even further to the Right,  he will guarantee the re-election of Independents because small L Liberals  will be disenfranchised, disheartened, and most likely vote again for candidates not burdened by party politics.

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Reply #247 –
This Federal election should be a wake up call for all politicians. Remembering how to act on behalf of the people who vote you into power. What is your selling point? What makes you unique and in touch with the people? What do you stand for? What are your careful choice of words? Do you try to defeat an opponent by selling their shortcomings, or do you sell what you have to offer? How will the media help beat me up on my choice of words and potential lack of actions on issues in the past? This doesn’t appear to be an election that Albo won, but more an election that Scomo and his government lost. Just an observation.

It appears that when the media has highlighted enough questions on a leaders integrity and a lack of actions in the last few years, a leader will struggle to hold a campaign that will keep them in power. A case of many people looking for change. Hence independent seats picking up seats a majority government needs to hold power. Is this good for our country? Time will tell. It is a trend. If the new government takes some reasonable actions to change how they run the country in the next few months, and it meets the needs of the majority of the population, it could influence how the people vote in the Victorian state election this year in November. It isn’t a certainty that people will look at the party being Labor or Liberal. It may be another opportunity for change once again. Not an expert here and just stating a recent observation that could continue to be a trend once again in the state election.

Morrison Government media bashing’s. “Not my job”. “Not my responsibility “. “I don’t hold a hose”.

Probably based on issues over time due to floods, fires, and Covid restrictions that have had an effect on the people of Australia in the last few years. The women in politics issue was one that didn’t go down well either. Points that were on banners in my zone in the South Eastern area. Banged on by all party followers which were not Liberal. Labor supporters were selling a time for a change and a better understanding of the people of Australia. Bringing the government strategy and policies back to what helps create a better future. Help create a better quality of lifestyle for all including a better strategy to control spending and developing better budgets.

The Liberal government strategy in the media and all the brochures we received just highlighted why it won’t be easy under Albanese. Plus a bragging effect about how the unemployment rate is under 4%, and an all time low for many years. So they sold what they have done. Which is a fair statement. Not sure how accurate these figures are. Are these registered unemployed people at Centrelink? Are they people on benefits due to circumstances? Either way it is two points. Unemployment rates, and why Albo is no good for the country.

In a period of Covid that has been hard to run budgets, spending and developing ways to reduce a deficit, it must have been the worst few years for all politicians. The key members in power. The State and Federal leaders. The media has given them a beating every moment they can to sell a story. The other party members looking for seats have done the same. Especially based on their words which are sour at times, and delivering less than they can promise. You can attempt to kiss all the babies of the country. You can try to shake all the hands of the firefighters that have risked their lives for little self reward. Being rejected and told to basically f@#k off. All in the media for some time now.

How did the government think this would go down? Selling few new points. Bagging the opposition leader as a selling point. Ignoring how many females are competing for seats as independents. Did anyone wake to say, hang on we are going to have problems winning this election. What is it we have to offer? Why did Scomo in an interview state he might need to change how he governs this country? People buy words based on what they think might be trust. Bagging others doesn’t sell yourself. It sells something about your character. All other candidate seats selling you as a failure doesn’t help you. The media highlighting your issues doesn’t help. Your poor choice of words doesn’t help.

The big sell on the anti-corruption issues of past has helped the Labor party. The move to make better steps forward for a green environment and policies has helped. Making changes to how they will govern the country has helped. As an observation it appears that many people wanted a change. Many people were not happy with what they have seen in the last few years. It may have had a big impact on the end result.

This trend of change could follow in the next state election. People might decide they need something fresh and new. Independents will pick off some of the close seats the Andrews government has at the moment. Some others will swing to a potential new government. Remember some key points that will be a highlight of the media later in the year. “I don’t recall”. “I don’t remember “. “It wasn’t my job at the time”. “I don’t look after that issue”. The whole hotel quarantine issue that put the state into an everlasting lockdown that was created by a lack of diligence of the government and Andrews never was held accountable. How is this going to go down? Will the media beat up this as a poor selling point? It starts to look as though it doesn’t matter what you do as the right thing. It looks as though you are judged on what can be sold as the wrong thing, or lack of actions.

If people look for change, it can only go one way. Andrews losing seats he needs to hold. Some going to independents. Along with a small few going the way of an opponent selling new changes, and doing things different to govern the state. Selling new solutions rather than bagging poor previous policies and government activities. Add to that, buying into anti-corruption and making people accountable. Even if it never really exist. How will this swing more than enough votes to make things interesting. I am not saying who will or should win. I am just saying your words are what people hear. Your arrogance could go against you. The media will always have a strong influence. Last but not least. If enough people want a change, you have lost your battle. No matter what the circumstances are.

I don’t project what the state election result will be by political experience. Nor due to my level of intelligence. I am just stating an observation. What I have just experienced. What I have read during this Federal campaign. What I have seen in the media. The brochures I have had my letter box pounded with. None of this influenced my vote. It did make me think that something is going to change. Maybe that thought process may have made many people chose what they did in this recent election. If so, we may see a new government at state level in November. Just saying what I have experienced as a dumb f@#k, working class nothing in the south eastern suburbs. Probably a nothing vote, but at the same time a vote that has a small influence on who will run the state. Do not hold any of my experience in what I have seen here as anything more than an observation. Do not let me ever influence anything that you may think. It just food for thought. Has any other person here noticed that people get so influenced by media stories? Has anyone ever found being critical of the opposition as being a negative? Has anyone noticed that selling new policies being a point of difference? Selling a change of ways as a positive? I wouldn’t mind throwing my hat in the ring. Problem number 1 is that I have no idea how to work with liars. Problem 2 is that I don’t understand the politics within politics. Problem 3 is that there is not enough tax payers money to save the country. Problem 4 is that I could probably never bring enough benefits that could benefit all the people without destroying the economy.

Just on a quiet note, can I make a small prediction on the next Victorian state election? Don’t hold me to anything. Just a potential prediction. Based on change. The guy might win. Just an observation based on the last four or five years of experience I have lived through and what I hear people saying. Just a thought. Don’t ever take me seriously. Just enjoy the reading. Hopefully for that matter.

This digital world is too much for us insects to understand.

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Reply #248 –
@ Mantis reply 247
That is a bloody ball tearer of a post, I thank you for that as I found it very educational.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

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Reply #249 –
Quote from: Mantis on
The Liberal government strategy in the media and all the brochures we received just highlighted why it won’t be easy under Albanese. Plus a bragging effect about how the unemployment rate is under 4%, and an all time low for many years. So they sold what they have done. Which is a fair statement. Not sure how accurate these figures are. Are these registered unemployed people at Centrelink? Are they people on benefits due to circumstances? Either way it is two points. Unemployment rates, and why Albo is no good for the country.
On this, I read somewhere recently not sure if it is correct or not, that politically you are considered employed if you work 1hr or more per week!

That's not being employed, that is 95% unemployed welfare, who the feck decides that sort of threshold for reporting?
The Force Awakens!
 

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Reply #250 –
Quote from: LP on
On this, I read somewhere recently not sure if it is correct or not, that politically you are considered employed if you work 1hr or more per week!

That's not being employed, that is 95% unemployed welfare, who the feck decides that sort of threshold for reporting?

It's called making the numbers sound better.  There is a more important statistic - not the 'Unemployed' but the 'Underemployed'

Finally, given that every second cafe, restaurant and shop has signs in their windows pleading for workers, why is there even 4% without a job....?
This is now the longest premiership drought in the history of the Carlton Football Club - more evidence of climate change?

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Reply #251 –
Quote from: LP on
On this, I read somewhere recently not sure if it is correct or not, that politically you are considered employed if you work 1hr or more per week!

That's not being employed, that is 95% unemployed welfare, who the feck decides that sort of threshold for reporting?
The one hour considered employed has been that way for a long time (not suggesting it's right).  Without international students, fruit pickers etc coming to Australia, it is not a great surprise that unemployment is so low.  It would be interesting to know the number of people employed against the population of Australia (as opposed to the participation rate).  It is an absolute nightmare trying to get staff in all sorts of industries at the moment.  It is an employee's market.

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Reply #252 –
Quote from: tonyo on
Finally, given that every second cafe, restaurant and shop has signs in their windows pleading for workers, why is there even 4% without a job....?

Free money ...

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Reply #253 –
There is a figure that suggests full employment, which includes those that are between jobs, and not necessarily considered a good thing - because the businesses can't get staff to help them operate, let alone grow.  When I was at Uni, I think it was 4-5%.

Good examples are complex, but take some small country towns.  City folk like the area, so they buy another property in the town.  The house either stays as a holiday home or short stay accommodation.  It removes a permanent population from the town.  If this happens a lot, the number of people that are able to be employed by the town decreases.  As a result, when the owners/short stay people go to the town, they complain because the shops aren't open at their convenient hours, because they are small businesses with not enough staff.  So the shops that remain open become really busy, which isn't an enjoyable experience for the owner, staff or customers.  Next time, the owners/short stays bring their own food and drinks, so they don't spend in the town, reducing $$ available in that town.  Shops continue to close.  As a result, there aren't jobs in the town, so permanent residents move out to find work.  It isn't a great cycle.  There is full employment in the town, but not nearly enough available workers.

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Reply #254 –
Quote from: dodge on
Good examples are complex, but take some small country towns.  City folk like the area, so they buy another property in the town.  The house either stays as a holiday home or short stay accommodation.  It removes a permanent population from the town.
This reminds me, I'd heard about a scheme OS that taxed vacant properties at a higher rate as a way to overcome the housing shortage. It's happening OS already, here we have gone part way by requiring major hotels and other venues to provided unused rooms as emergency accommodation, similar to the US. But I wonder how things would go in the housing market if "property collectors" were encouraged / forced to put residents in place to save tax dollars. I'm sure there would be an outcry, but even so I'm not sure it's a bad thing.

To me it's analogous the fringe benefits tax of company vehicles, some people have a garages full of registered cars that hardly ever hit the road. Maybe the rego fees are back to front, and if you can afford to keep a garage full of unused vehicles you should pay a higher rate rather than get a discount for reduced use!

Think along the same lines for properties, particularly all these foreign owned vacant houses that seem to proliferate in certain suburbs. I never realised this was a problem until a mate got in on the gig of maintaining them, he tells me in some suburbs there are literally whole streets that are door to door immaculately maintained vacant properties. They have to go in, garden, clean gutters, clean houses, open windows, dust, vacuum and run the services like gas or water to fill traps, flush toilets, etc., etc., then send photographic reports to some agent or foreign buyer. Basically he said he making a killing flushing toilets in empty properties!
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