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Simple. 

In the name of equality, lets take gender out of sports and open each competition to all genders rather than specify man/woman.

May the best man win.

Simple. 

In the name of equality, lets take gender out of sports and open each competition to all genders rather than specify man/woman.

May the best man win.

Are there any female born transgenders trying to get into men's competitions?

As a hypothetical how long do you think that would last?

It would be a hell of a tough lesson to learn for some people, and it would take the term misogynist to a whole new level!

As many commentators have stated, the issue is fairness versus equality and I think fairness trumps equality.

One of those discussions where I think I'd rather fill a wheelbarrow with cats than get involved. IMHO I'm more than happy to defer to the thoughts, opinions and perceptions of those directly involved - women, trans folks and theys.

I guess the problem is that within those three groups you have the whole spectrum of thoughts, opinions and perceptions.
It's one of those situations where some group will be disappointed by decisions made.

Yep. I'll stick with the cats and the wheelbarrow and watch those directly involved duke it out.

There's probably one other group that's directly involved in the discussion, and that's parents and extended family as they often have to deal with the consequences on both sides of the debate.
My nephew was a 'female' until his early 20s.
That he is now a 'male' is a decision my sister still struggles with a bit, but loves and supports him, as you do as a parent (or uncle).
He's not really into any sports, so in his case this isn't really an issue but...

It goes without saying that the mental and societal struggles don't automatically end once that transition is made.
While a part of the person may have a feeling that things are now as they should always have been, there are numerous other challenges that such a change throws up.
For those looking to be involved in a competitive sport this is just another one.

yep.

The body actually rejects the change of hormones in these people as they start artificially taking hormones to become more feminine/masculine.

Chronic illness and sickness is often the result that is little talked about.

Honestly makes you wonder where this idea of transitioning comes from.

You're a funny one, 3 Leos. Where does the idea of transitioning come from? Well, first step is probably to let go of the idea that having the genitals of a female or male automatically determines what you identify with, within yourself... or social conditioning.

The absolute reality is that some folks might have the bits of a gal or fella, but their very sense of self/identity is different to the bits. Reality. Requires empathy and imagination to dare to attempt to really feel what these folks, feel; to imagine feeling as you do now about your gender identity but your bits are contrary to this deep sense of identity. Then, even if you cannot imagine this, to respect the decisions of another about their identity, their body.

And the fact that so many folks would go through such physical discomfort to create an integrity between their identity and body, to me, is testament to their courage. And all they ask of me is to respect their decision. Done, and just let me know how I can support you.

baggers, I got taught to love myself as I was and nature made me the way I was intended.

The whole idea of self loathe and change runs contrary to what I would deem being a well adjusted human being. 

There is nothing about behaviour that makes a man a man and a woman a woman.

Its only biology.