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Reply #990 –
Quote from: Lods on
What an absolute schemozzle is the Manly NRL pride jersey debacle.
Its a tricky and complicated one. You'd like to think people can separate sport, work commitments, religious beliefs etc but...
For some this is very simple, for others its a nightmare. I can see both sides, I'd hate to be Manly management right now.
As someone said today, what are the 7 players against, the jumper itself and the fact its forced on them against the wishes, LGBTI people playing footy, LGBTI people in general?
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Reply #991 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton on
Its a tricky and complicated one. You'd like to think people can separate sport, work commitments, religious beliefs etc but...
For some this is very simple, for others its a nightmare. I can see both sides, I'd hate to be Manly management right now.
As someone said today, what are the 7 players against, the jumper itself and the fact its forced on them against the wishes, LGBTI people playing footy, LGBTI people in general?
They probably don't wanna catch the gay.  ::)

Even though they stick their heads up eachothers butts while going arm in arm....

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Reply #992 –
You’d think they might have had a moral objection to the large “POINTS BET” emblazoned on the front of the guernsey, but it seems they’re cool with that …

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Reply #993 –
Quote from: Mav on
You’d think they might have had a moral objection to the large “POINTS BET” emblazoned on the front of the guernsey, but it seems they’re cool with that …
Isn't the issue religion, I'm not sure there are any mentions of bookmarkers in the bible or quran.

I'm not sure about other religions, but I do know from a school friend who went onto become a catholic priest that in the catholic church punting is one of the few vices they do not frown on.
 
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Reply #994 –
Quote from: Mav on
You’d think they might have had a moral objection to the large “POINTS BET” emblazoned on the front of the guernsey, but it seems they’re cool with that …

Hear! Hear! Spoticus Onnicus.
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Reply #995 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton on
Its a tricky and complicated one. You'd like to think people can separate sport, work commitments, religious beliefs etc but...
For some this is very simple, for others its a nightmare. I can see both sides, I'd hate to be Manly management right now.
As someone said today, what are the 7 players against, the jumper itself and the fact its forced on them against the wishes, LGBTI people playing footy, LGBTI people in general?

A failure of good management/governance. Apparently there was no consultation with the players, just, "Here, wear this." Much of the kerfuffle could have been avoided with inclusion, discussion and explanation with the players.
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Reply #996 –
Quote from: Baggers on
A failure of good management/governance. Apparently there was no consultation with the players, just, "Here, wear this." Much of the kerfuffle could have been avoided with inclusion, discussion and explanation with the players.
Agree, its ironic that we talk about this jumper thing being all about inclusion except they forgot to include the players.
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Reply #997 –
The strange thing is that the Methodist missionaries who implanted those homophobic beliefs were also strongly anti-gambling.  Selective outrage by the seven no-shows?

If anything, it’s a spectacular communications fail.

Sea Eagles’ legend Ian Roberts has said that he would have loved to talk to the players about rugby and homosexuality.  Surely the club would have thought of that, and the strong religious beliefs of some South Pacific Islanders, before committing to their rainbow jersey?

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Reply #998 –
Ian Roberts would also concede the minority perspective as he well knows he is in that minority, oddly here in Oz the 7 are in a minority as well yet our society now judges their minority belief as invalid, and that seems rather arbitrary like we have picked a side!

I didn't hear anybody wish harm on another, why are we so determine to force an opinion?

Can't we just leave them be, or must we beat the belief out of them, like a Missionary beating the heathen horde?

There is something fundamentally misplaced here, to all the world it looks like two wrongs .................................
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Reply #999 –
Is Clarko to Norp a win for most traditional clubs?

Clarko goes to Norp, win for Norp.
Clarko doesn't go to Tassie, win for every other club that needs to retain it's players in years to come.

If I were an AFL CEO or list manager, I'd be pushing like hell for Clarko to Norp ahead of Clarko to an AFL subsidised start-up!
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Reply #1000 –
As many of us get old we can become a bit grumpy, a bit cantankerous, it can be masked by a mellow indifference, but we have to learn to manage our newly found intolerance towards others.

Seeing Rex lose the plot yesterday, and reading about Jay Schultz self-control issues today, has it become too convenient, a bit of an excuse even, to blame all sorts of invalid anti-social behaviour on the head knocks of the past? Am I being too harsh?
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Reply #1001 –
I think the players have a right to choose not to wear the jersey if it conflicts with their religious beliefs etc, same as if a player didnt want to wear a jersey that had gambling sponsorship because he disagreed with gambling sponsorship in sport or alcohol/tobacco sponsorship.. I wouldnt have a problem wearing the jersey as its just a footy jersey at the end of the day not a religious ornament but I would understand devout Christians, Muslims etc would and for me its a personal choice everyone has to make for themselves and they have a right to refuse to wear it just as other players have a right to wear it.

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Reply #1002 –
Wonder what the contractual position might be re what clubs can display on jerseys without consulting players?
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Reply #1003 –
If you take the standard Protestant Bible, it has about 31000 verses. There are 6 or 7 verses out of 31000 (the so called Clobber passages), that seem to discuss aspects of same sex behavior (these verses are almost always misinterpreted) That gives you some idea of how concerned the Biblical writers were about such behavior. You will find way more references and condemnation of other behaviors, and yet these seem to be of no interest to Christians, and certainly don't appear to be part of any modern ethical discussions, at least that I'm aware of. Biblical scholarship has advanced significantly in the last 100 years. Whoever is leading these players and telling them what to think is a disgrace.

If you make a claim that the "Bible is very authoritative to us", then you can't just pick and choose. Either every one of its edicts needs to be followed, or else it needs to be read in a different way. If you choose the former :

a. those players and their pastor don't have a leg to stand on, and
b. none of us would be alive.

And beliefs have real world consequences. They're not ideas that just exist in your mind.

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Reply #1004 –
Quote from: LP on
Ian Roberts would also concede the minority perspective as he well knows he is in that minority, oddly here in Oz the 7 are in a minority as well yet our society now judges their minority belief as invalid, and that seems rather arbitrary like we have picked a side!

I didn't hear anybody wish harm on another, why are we so determine to force an opinion?

Can't we just leave them be, or must we beat the belief out of them, like a Missionary beating the heathen horde?

There is something fundamentally misplaced here, to all the world it looks like two wrongs .................................
Great points LP, how do we live together respectful of one another? Thats the question.
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2019-16th
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2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time