Skip to main content ↑ ↓
Topic: General Discussions (Read 114310 times) previous topic - next topic
0 Members and 7 Guests are viewing this topic.

Re: General Discussions

Reply #1035 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 on
Jones quit the AFL and did protect other players by not playing plus took a hit to his pocket, while I am vaccinated I dont think I am in a position to decide on Jones own health decisions being good or bad as I dont know his medical circumstances, and have no medical qualifications and you need to be careful making those judgments. Not sure how you have deduced he made his health decisions based on social media offerings either unless you have some exclusive knowledge.
And you’d do well not to suggest Jones might regard himself as a marginalised minority. For all we know he might well be aware that he behaved like a dick who doesn’t deserve respect. As he won’t talk about it, you have nothing to suggest otherwise.

Re: General Discussions

Reply #1036 –
Quote from: Mav on
Yep, there are many twists and turns. But it’s amazing that there’s no point-blank declaration in the Bible that slavery is evil. As you noted, that gave slavers wiggle room in the US and England to continue their trade. Ironically, Texas is now banning any reference to slavery or racism in schools now as they might cause distress to white folk. Textbooks can’t refer to Africans being kidnapped by slavers for sale in the US - apparently, they’ll be referred to as involuntary relocations. I’d love to hear religious folk trying to explain away this peculiar shortcoming in the Bible, but only if I could shut them up after they flail away for a little while.

No, there isn't any point blank declaration to that effect, but in those times, it's just how it was. Those points you make about Texas indicate a much deeper problem than religion IMO. I suggest you'll be wasting your time trying to debate Christian apologists. They have no need to seek the truth - they've already found it.

Religious folk, like most groups, exist on a spectrum. Unfortunately the extremist shouters tend to get all the headlines, possibly because they say the more attention grabbing, outlandish things. There are many moderate and / or progressive Christians who don't follow the Bible literally, and who live with more modern values, and who use their faith as part of a personal spiritual journey, and as something that helps them through life. They don't deliberately or inadvertently weaponise their faith in ways that harm others.
 

Re: General Discussions

Reply #1037 –
Quote from: Mav on
Yes, why can’t we respect and tolerate the right of one group to disrespect and be intolerant towards another group? As George Brandeis said, don’t we all have the right to be bigots? 🙈
no, the respect is about the conversation.   If the majority don't believe as you do, you would to quote yourself create a labor camp of the unvaccinated and force them to be vaccinated Gains their will for the greater good.

Not dissimilar to the programs about "knocking the gay" out of people that were imposed many moons ago.

The world is a very different place today.  No one gets forced to do anything they don't want to, and this discussion about slavery is about as relevant as gay bashing is.

The only slaves I see are slaves to the wage.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: General Discussions

Reply #1038 –
I’m guessing you missed the whole human trafficking thing. And the actual gay bashing.

Re: General Discussions

Reply #1039 –
Quote from: Mav on
And you’d do well not to suggest Jones might regard himself as a marginalised minority. For all we know he might well be aware that he behaved like a dick who doesn’t deserve respect. As he won’t talk about it, you have nothing to suggest otherwise.
Glad to see you took my reply well and didnt come back with a hysterical outburst....moving on..... I raised the possibility that other minority groups might want their day in the sun too and I concluded where does it start and where does it end.
The AFL and Rugby League are each a business running a game of football matches, if you want to turn them into a community soap box for every cause or minority groups issues then you are going to get a variety of problems. You would be wearing a different jumper every week as there are many good causes to raise awareness for including Gay inclusiveness, Gender respect, mental health etc etc etc.........Jones and his vaccine stance was just an extreme example of how silly it could become . Are the Rugby League and AFL only going to sanction jumpers/causes that help their bottom line and avoid a club for example who wanted to make a stance against gambling/pokies?

Re: General Discussions

Reply #1040 –
Americans didn't abolish slavery, that just re-jigged the model.
Now they call it prison.

Re: General Discussions

Reply #1042 –
Quote from: kruddler on
Americans didn't abolish slavery, that just re-jigged the model.
Now they call it prison.

A biting and tragic reality.

Some might also say that a mortgage is a form of slavery.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: General Discussions

Reply #1043 –
Quote from: PaulP on
The hearts and minds of these players and others like them were set a long time ago, and whilst change is always possible, I'm not sure any kind of pre match consultation would have changed the outcome.

When the agent of change is one of their own, it’s highly likely that they would see the harm of their positions.

They are unlikely to change because of pre-match consultation but I assume that the club came up with the jersey idea some time ago.  That’s when they should have begun consultation and awareness raising. 

That would also have forewarned the club of any likely problems and enabled them to find solutions that didn’t put back the cause they were hoping to promote.

Apart from further marginalising LGBTQ+ and Pasifika folk, the situation Manly created reinforces the bonehead reputation of NRL players.  A little thought and cross-cultural awareness could have gone a long way.

“Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?”  Oddball

Re: General Discussions

Reply #1045 –
The angry mob reaction is highlighted for comedic purposes, but over here in the real world, the messaging is pretty clear. If you refuse to wear the indigenous jumper, it means at some level you have an issue with Indigenous rights. If you refuse to wear the Carlton Respects jumper, it means at some level you have an issue with gender equality. If you refuse to wear the pride jumper, it means at some level you have an issue with gay rights. These aren't fashion choices.

Objectors should take ownership of their biases, grow a pair and stop trying to get themselves off the hook, by demanding their right to an an opinion without consequence, or by hiding behind religious or cultural beliefs.

Re: General Discussions

Reply #1046 –
The Manly players dropped their opposition to wearing the “rainbow jersey” and ended their boycott.  They still lost the game!

More proactive engagement by the club and the whole debacle could have been avoided.

I guess it means that the next “rainbow jersey” game won’t be an issue.  The NRL may even introduce a pride round 🤔
“Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?”  Oddball

Re: General Discussions

Reply #1047 –
Quote from: PaulP on
The angry mob reaction is highlighted for comedic purposes, but over here in the real world, the messaging is pretty clear. If you refuse to wear the indigenous jumper, it means at some level you have an issue with Indigenous rights.
I'm sorry @PaulP but I think that is a extremist position and not your usual level headed perspective.

It's like asserting F1 driver Ricciardo is a racist because he doesn't take a knee with Hamilton.

Many would oppose a rainbow round just because they do not want politics and sport to mix, many oppose taking a knee for the very same reason, and that basic observation makes a mockery of your sweeping assertion.
The Force Awakens!

Re: General Discussions

Reply #1048 –
Quote from: LP on
I'm sorry @PaulP but I think that is a extremist position and not you usual level headed perspective.

It's like asserting F1 driver Ricciardo is a racist because he doesn't take a knee with Hamilton.

Many would oppose a rainbow round just because they do not want politics and sport to mix, many oppose taking a knee for the very same reason, and that basic observation makes a mockery of your sweeping assertion.

If they don't want sports and politics to mix, they wouldn't wear indigenous jumpers, or Carlton Respects jumpers. The reports in the media stated very clearly they would not wear the pride jumper for cultural and religious reasons. Your repeated attempts to smooth over a real issue aren't working.

Re: General Discussions

Reply #1049 –
Quote from: DJC on
The Manly players dropped their opposition to wearing the “rainbow jersey” and ended their boycott.  They still lost the game!

More proactive engagement by the club and the whole debacle could have been avoided.

I guess it means that the next “rainbow jersey” game won’t be an issue.  The NRL may even introduce a pride round 🤔

Where did you hear they dropped their opposition?
I understand they stayed home.