Carlton Supporters Club

The angry mob reaction is highlighted for comedic purposes, but over here in the real world, the messaging is pretty clear. If you refuse to wear the indigenous jumper, it means at some level you have an issue with Indigenous rights. If you refuse to wear the Carlton Respects jumper, it means at some level you have an issue with gender equality. If you refuse to wear the pride jumper, it means at some level you have an issue with gay rights. These aren't fashion choices.

Objectors should take ownership of their biases, grow a pair and stop trying to get themselves off the hook, by demanding their right to an an opinion without consequence, or by hiding behind religious or cultural beliefs.

This is art immitating life.

The ribbon in this case was a cause that everyone can get behind right?

But, the point is, that this could be anything including causes that not everyone can or wants to get behind.  Why is personal.  The whole point is that you dont have to be in complete 100% solidarity with any cause, you just shouldnt be in opposition to it, and that should be enough.

It's called casual or nuanced bigotry. It operates at levels that some outside the affected groups will never notice. You can read anything Chad Wingard has written recently about his experiences with subtle racism. He's not gay, but the principle is exactly the same.

Sitting on the fence and absolving yourself from taking a position, or taking a weak, tokenistic position, is not good enough IMO.

The biggest problem with white male privilege is not cold hardheartedness, it's not lack of intelligence, it's blindness.

NO the biggest problem is insisting that everyone who isnt like minded has a problem because thats your world view and everyone should see the world as you do.

ERGO, that makes you just as bad as the people you criticise.

Where did you hear they dropped their opposition?
I understand they stayed home.

ERGO, that makes you just as bad as the people you criticise.

I don't know Paul.

I think it's a case of black and white vs a hundred shades of grey.

I like to think I'm fairly sympathetic to groups who are disadvantaged or prejudiced against through historical traditions.
Do I get excited about indigenous rounds or pride rounds....not really.
I'm just interested in the football.
But discuss with me the need for groups to be accepted and respected and you'll have me a hundred percent on board.

But to tell another person  the level of support 'they' should give to similar causes, and how they should think is above my pay grade.

In the 'real' world that you talk about, shaming and denigrating the opinions and beliefs of others is the most counterproductive way of changing hearts and minds.
The response you get is not to change those opinions...you harden them and drive them underground.
Folks dont engage, they disengage.

Oh and for the discussion on slavery:

https://restavekfreedom.org/2018/09/11/the-history-of-slavery/#:~:text=Slavery%20Throughout%20the%20Ancient%20World&text=Sumer%20or%20Sumeria%20is%20still,Qin%20Dynasty%20in%20221%20BC.

Slavery's origins predate a lot of the religious argument that has been bandied about on here too.

The world is a very different place today.  No one gets forced to do anything they don't want to, and this discussion about slavery is about as relevant as gay bashing is.

The only slaves I see are slaves to the wage.

Or do you think it was a bottom up, long concerted effort by First Nations people mainly, putting in long hours over decades, raising money, raising awareness, raising profile etc. I'd say the latter.

Or do you think it was a bottom up, long concerted effort by women mainly, putting in long hours over decades, raising money, raising awareness, raising profile etc. I'd say the latter.

Yep
Definitely the latter
I've probably had more contact with indigenous people over the last forty years than most on this site.
I've had discussions with Teachers, teacher's aides, students, parents and elders.

The argument is not so much on the rights of equality, respect and acceptance as the best method to achieve that.
That varies considerably from a semi-militant approach to a discussion and education.

Do you change minds by shaming, threatening, belittling or by educating.
And the task of educating is often best handled by those directly affected with the experience to tell their stories.