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Local councils are bound by the flag regulations and cannot fly unauthorised flags. 

Which two councils and which ‘sacred places’ were ‘gifted/reserved’?  I’m more than happy to check with the relevant Aboriginal organisations.

Just read an article re what Edwardo Betts went through on 'that camp' when at the Crows. For someone steeped in indigenous Aussie spirituality, beliefs and culture this was nothing other than psychological abuse... IMHO.

And for someone who has undergone full-on military training (very early 70s) by Naval personnel (precursor to Seals), what Edwardo reported sounded very different to what I went through. Our training brought us together, tighter. Humiliation was minimal -- and when it did happen, it was couched in humour, the Aussie way -- mate ship, encouraging mates, going the extra to help a mate... etc., was the focus, along with extreme physical fitness, endurance, psychological pain/exhaustion management/strategies. And at the end of it we really loved and respected our trainers. The discipline and love of mate I learned during that training helped me enormously and gave me skills I still use to this day.

I recall Crows/Tiggers grand final day line-ups pre game when the Crows were lined up like a bunch of stiff, comical tough guy individual statues... and the Tiggers? Arms around each other.

I heard Sam Edmund describe extracts from the book, the camp was nuts and players should have told them to GAGF'd.
Amongst a heap of stupid stuff, they were asked to do the power stance and cup the nut sack of the guy next to you (some sumo ritual apparently. The players refused thankfully.

Cup the nut sack lol. Taking things out of their cultural context is never wise, unless you really know what you're doing.

It sounds like that camp was run by a bunch of nutters (no pun intended) with little or no consultation with the player before hand. When youre going to run a program which is very left field, you must engage with the playing group with some prelim info to ensure there will be no problem.

The camp was akin to a cult meeting, players probed for their past fears etc, a comedian brought in to probe players reactions by dressing up in different costumes. The Crows head Doctor wasnt even made aware of what was going to happen and none of the CMT leaders even had a degree in Psychology. That whole Collective Mind Training group should have been facing legal action, one player I believe collapsed and had to be taken away from the camp and was very unwell.
Dont know how anyone rates Don Pyke as a coach and I wouldnt want him anywhere near my football club and the same goes for Walker and Sloane who wouldnt admit how bad things were and I would have sacked them both as leaders on the spot.
We had team building/ bonding training companies try and build bonds with the Engineering staff and management at my previous employer and it was a complete waste of time, about the only satisfaction I got out of out it was flogging the leadership/admin staff in exercises such as building towers out of matchsticks and showing how hopeless they were at any sort of strategy exercises.
10k a day for 5 days was what that training group made out of that BS, it was all filmed on camera in these Uni training labs and critiqued by the training group mods who were teachers I believe with a big Review session that ended up in chaos creating more issues than solutions.

Just read an article re what Edwardo Betts went through on 'that camp' when at the Crows. For someone steeped in indigenous Aussie spirituality, beliefs and culture this was nothing other than psychological abuse... IMHO.

And for someone who has undergone full-on military training (very early 70s) by Naval personnel (precursor to Seals), what Edwardo reported sounded very different to what I went through. Our training brought us together, tighter. Humiliation was minimal -- and when it did happen, it was couched in humour, the Aussie way -- mate ship, encouraging mates, going the extra to help a mate... etc., was the focus, along with extreme physical fitness, endurance, psychological pain/exhaustion management/strategies. And at the end of it we really loved and respected our trainers. The discipline and love of mate I learned during that training helped me enormously and gave me skills I still use to this day.

I recall Crows/Tiggers grand final day line-ups pre game when the Crows were lined up like a bunch of stiff, comical tough guy individual statues... and the Tiggers? Arms around each other.

Then read up on what is happening in Moreland and Kingston, plus similar proposals taken to council for debate in Stonnington, Mornington and Casey. Two of the affected cities are councils stacked with covert candidates, who as extinction rebellion members who were bankrolled and elected without revealing their political allegiances, they are slightly left to say the very least!

It's no coincidence that some of these councils flew the Indigenous flag at half-mast on Australia Day.

One of those councils took the same to a debate, defeated the proposal to fly the Aboriginal Flag and/or other Indigenous Flags at half-mast on Australia Day by a margin of one vote, and the councillors have been targeted by protestors ever since, labelled fascists and generally abused.

I read the same thing. Lots of culturally insensitive stuff and lots of bollocks in the form of 'manning up'.

Not being allowed to shower, so you could be more manly etc etc.

Not sure how cupping your mates package gets you to be more manly, but hey, each to their own! 

Who knows what local government councillors get up to.? Their “initiatives” generally reflect their beliefs and are usually developed without the local Aboriginal group’s knowledge or input.

Are you insinuating that guys that cup another guys manhood are less manly than those who don't?

Honest question.