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Reply #1500
Testify brother
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

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Reply #1501
Now with this missive I will tread carefully!

I have absolutely no doubt that many suing the AFL for brain injury sustained on the field of play are absolutely legitimate... however... cocaine use also causes brain damage and I hope neurosurgeons can tell the difference between the two, if there is one. I'll leave it at that.

I’ve just read your post and we are of a similar mindset as I have posted on the fb page.
Let’s go BIG !

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Reply #1502
I genuinely hope Ablett gets awarded millions which the family of the late Alisha Horan then sue him for double that amount.
Unfortunately when I think or read about Gary Ablett Snr the first thing I think of is that poor girl and not Abletts football prowess..

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Unfortunately when I think or read about Gary Ablett Snr the first thing I think of is that poor girl and not Abletts football prowess..
Same
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

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Reply #1504
Unfortunately when I think or read about Gary Ablett Snr the first thing I think of is that poor girl and not Abletts football prowess..

Yes, it’s hard to unsee that sorry episode … and I suspect that’s why Ablett’s lawyer is hoping for a settlement. 

I can’t see why the AFL would want to cover up drug use by former players and a warts and all expose would reduce the AFL’s culpability.  I reckon they might go in boots and all.
“Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?”  Oddball

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Reply #1505
Yes, it’s hard to unsee that sorry episode … and I suspect that’s why Ablett’s lawyer is hoping for a settlement. 

I can’t see why the AFL would want to cover up drug use by former players and a warts and all expose would reduce the AFL’s culpability.  I reckon they might go in boots and all.
I hope they expose his dirty past.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

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Reply #1506
So, do I presume you would be OK with your children emulating their sporting heroes?

Like it or not, they are role models, I realise it's a big ask, but given how many young blokes take their own life the last thing we need are more of them in debt to criminals, or suffering the side-effects of addiction.

We certainly do not need youth emulating their wayward heroes! ;)

They aren't role models, they're guys that play footy well.

The Sam walsh types will see the ones that like their substances fall out of the game.

"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

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Reply #1507
I hope they expose his dirty past.
Agree...its an unresolved situation imho and the Horan parents deserve better. Ablett Snr avoided answering questions and then played the victim and hid behind religion for a while hoping it would all go away.
Digressing I look at this Paul Denyer situation and I find it hard to accept how the law gets manipulated to help criminals.
As much as society has progressed we seem to be making it easier for people to avoid facing up to their responsibilities.

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Reply #1508
They aren't role models, they're guys that play footy well.

The Sam walsh types will see the ones that like their substances fall out of the game.

And that makes them role models, whether they like it or not.  It also forces the AFL to take responsibility for ensuring that the role models its competition creates do not exert a poor influence on supporters.  It’s part of the social contract that all sporting bodies have to adhere to.
“Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?”  Oddball

 

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Reply #1509
And that makes them role models, whether they like it or not.  It also forces the AFL to take responsibility for ensuring that the role models its competition creates do not exert a poor influence on supporters.  It’s part of the social contract that all sporting bodies have to adhere to.

See my thought process is different.

It's up to the education of young people to show them what is ultimately a good or bad decision, or what is a good or bad role model.  That doesn't mean shielding them from the reality that some people are loose cannons even if they can play footy well.  There won't be many good footy players that can behave as they like without their body letting them down and its not up to the afl players to be superhuman and any different to society. 

Perhaps keeping these things out of discussion is a better way to handle it, after all you only see fools getting done on video with white powders as opposed to the majority.  So how would anyone know what anyone's up to if not for the media?
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

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Reply #1510
There won't be many good footy players that can behave as they like without their body letting them down and its not up to the afl players to be superhuman and any different to society. 

Unlike Rock Stars ;)  :))


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Reply #1511
See my thought process is different.

It's up to the education of young people to show them what is ultimately a good or bad decision, or what is a good or bad role model.  That doesn't mean shielding them from the reality that some people are loose cannons even if they can play footy well.  There won't be many good footy players that can behave as they like without their body letting them down and its not up to the afl players to be superhuman and any different to society. 

Perhaps keeping these things out of discussion is a better way to handle it, after all you only see fools getting done on video with white powders as opposed to the majority.  So how would anyone know what anyone's up to if not for the media?

I think it's both, 3 Leos. Principal LODS is absolutely right, as are you, IMHO.

In my experience of helping addicts, including cocaine addicts, it did not escape my attention that coke addicts had some 'perfect storm' elements in their lives - high stress job, periods of boredom and a high disposable income. Some young folks were going through $500 - $1500 per week/fortnight. Most blue collar folks stuck to grog, doobies, amphetamines and the like... or resorted to crime to support a coke or gambling habit.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

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Reply #1512
Unlike Rock Stars ;)  :))



Exactly lods. My dad was a smoker and only drank the odd brandy when he was feeling unwell.  Chronic lymphocytic leukaemia got him via a treatment that somehow caused liver failure. 

Thats when I found out you can only go 2 weeks without a working liver before organ failure gets you.

Dusty Martin is idolised by many young folk, but they aren't going to go threatening people with chopsticks any time soon just because he did it.

@baggers yep it ain't a zero sum game but if the players aren't giving themselves a bad profile to go with their habit then supporting them by not ending their career is one way to help them right?  Another way might be to shield them from undue scrutiny.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

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Reply #1513
Single biggest problem for me with all this stuff is that people dont properly own their mistakes. I have to give praise to the young Coll player Ginnivan who was the only person I can recall in recent history to come straight out and say yep, I'm a DH, I did drugs, I need to fix myself up, I need to earn the trust back . Every other prick blames the next prick or mental health, flat out denys it like Carey at the WA Casino or some other BS. Just own it and fix it.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

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Reply #1514
Single biggest problem for me with all this stuff is that people dont properly own their mistakes. I have to give praise to the young Coll player Ginnivan who was the only person I can recall in recent history to come straight out and say yep, I'm a DH, I did drugs, I need to fix myself up, I need to earn the trust back . Every other prick blames the next prick or mental health, flat out denys it like Carey at the WA Casino or some other BS. Just own it and fix it.

Spot on, GTC. Until you realise it aint everybody else's fault and to be accountable and take responsibility, you aint going to get anywhere... possibly worse. But once responsibility is accepted and meant, legitimate progress can be made and maintained.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17