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Reply #1695
For some reason I felt compelled to catch up on the Higgins Lehrmann case today, partly I suppose because media outlets have made Wilkinson front page as is their want.

But that trial has not caught my attention as much as some of the statements from Wilkinson and other media types, it's alarming to say the least.

In the old days, media knew exactly what it was, and the investigative power it held, it took that power very very seriously.

What is shocking is that some of the current behaviour documented in this case seems to assert that the media still knows about the impact it can have, but no longer blinks at misuse of that power. In effect the media have moved away from being serious investigator to become wilfully trivial judge and executioner, it's a disturbing trend and one everybody should be worried about!
Ive said it once and Ill say it again, the days of needing proof to chuck someone in jail are gone.
Wilkinson is a grub, as for Higgins, I best not comment.
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Reply #1696
Poor suffering Victorians look like having to look forward to higher taxes and less services as the North East link project has blown out by 16 billion, the Government offering Covid and the Russian/Ukraine war as excuses.
Matthew Guy called it a croc of crape and its about the only thing he has got right as the leader of the opposition...any chance we can get a decent Government in Victoria? I can see the public service getting slashed as well so the services they provide will be reduced instead of increased like they need to be.

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Reply #1697

For some reason I felt compelled to catch up on the Higgins Lehrmann case today, partly I suppose because media outlets have made Wilkinson front page as is their want.

But that trial has not caught my attention as much as some of the statements from Wilkinson and other media types, it's alarming to say the least.

In the old days, media knew exactly what it was, and the investigative power it held, it took that power very very seriously.

What is shocking is that some of the current behaviour documented in this case seems to assert that the media still knows about the impact it can have, but no longer blinks at misuse of that power. In effect the media have moved away from being serious investigator to become wilfully trivial judge and executioner, it's a disturbing trend and one everybody should be worried about!

Some of those involved in commenting on the original case and making personal judgements regarding guilt, including the then Prime Minister, were entirely inappropriate.
It pretty much ensured the case was a shot unit.
In the end it was decided not to proceed with the trial but had it gone ahead, given the publicity, I'm not sure there was any chance of a 'fair' trial.
Folks made up their minds pretty quickly for either side.
Presumption of innocence went out the window.
The thing is, you can't say there are no winners in this one....Lawyers certainly.
Those receiving compensation payouts and potential book deals?
Maybe
But you would have to know the truth of the night in question to judge that
It may be quite possible there was some real traumatic consequences of the night for individuals but we have no idea where the truth lies.
It's a grubby mess.

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Reply #1698
Ive said it once and Ill say it again, the days of needing proof to chuck someone in jail are gone.
Wilkinson is a grub, as for Higgins, I best not comment.
I don't know about Higgins or Lehrmann, but the Wilkinson assessment might be a bullseye.

People confuse Wilkinson's interest in ratings with care and concern for Higgins, and she dresses it up as women's rights because it rates for her, might sell her a few more books, I wonder how many young girls she keeps on staff earning minimum wages as a PA or housekeeper. But if it turned out tonight Higgins was spreading sh1zen, or perhaps it turns out Higgin's fiancé is up to his neck in the spin for political reasons, Wilkinson wouldn't blink at making ratings out of being deceived before sunrise tomorrow! The public seem to gloss right over that sort of change in behaviour, which vanishes into the mist faster than one of Caro's missed predictions.
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Reply #1699
Poor suffering Victorians look like having to look forward to higher taxes and less services as the North East link project has blown out by 16 billion, the Government offering Covid and the Russian/Ukraine war as excuses.
Matthew Guy called it a croc of crape and its about the only thing he has got right as the leader of the opposition...any chance we can get a decent Government in Victoria? I can see the public service getting slashed as well so the services they provide will be reduced instead of increased like they need to be.

Working in construction before, during and after covid, i can tell you that both those 'excuses' are genuine.

Can't give you any insight into the figures presented, but both those things have caused complete and utter havoc with materials and labour.

There is a reason builders are going bust left right and centre, and those are the reasons.

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Reply #1700
Has it escaped folks’ attention that Lehrmann recently lost his attempt to have his name suppressed in another rape case that is eerily similar to the Brittany Higgins’ case?

He may be innocent until proven guilty but there’s no doubt in my mind that he is a despicable creature who gets his jollies from preying upon defenceless women.

Our Parliament and its hangers on has been a cesspit for far too long.  Sleazebags like Lehrmann should be exposed and eliminated.  Wilkinson may have inadvertently aided his cause, and that’s unforgivable … but she claims to have had her utterances legalled every step of the way.
“Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?”  Oddball

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Reply #1701
Working in construction before, during and after covid, i can tell you that both those 'excuses' are genuine.

Can't give you any insight into the figures presented, but both those things have caused complete and utter havoc with materials and labour.

There is a reason builders are going bust left right and centre, and those are the reasons.
I'd buy inflation and higher interest rates but the maths don't add up to 16 billion.
Grattan institute said it was poor planning
given Victoria have too many projects running and not enough skilled labour and resources.

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Reply #1702
Working in construction before, during and after covid, i can tell you that both those 'excuses' are genuine.

Can't give you any insight into the figures presented, but both those things have caused complete and utter havoc with materials and labour.

There is a reason builders are going bust left right and centre, and those are the reasons.

Yes, as a project manager for many relatively small infrastructure projects well before COVID, 10-20% contingency was generally more than adequate.  It’s a different ball game now but the benefits of these long overdue, vital infrastructure projects still outweigh the increasing costs.

Matthew Guy was a minister in my department when he ignored departmental advice to approve several rezoning applications that were subsequently found to be illegal and were overturned at significant cost to the taxpayer.

A standing joke in the department was, “How do you know if the Minister is lying?”

“His lips are moving.”

“Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?”  Oddball

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Reply #1703
Grattan institute said it was poor planning
While I'm not saying the state government are in the clear, I do have to wonder how the Grattan Institute thinks you plan for wars and pandemics, it seems a reasonable question to ask?
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Reply #1704
While I'm not saying the state government are in the clear, I do have to wonder how the Grattan Institute thinks you plan for wars and pandemics, it seems a reasonable question to ask?

Everyone is an expert after the fact.
Let’s go BIG !

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Reply #1705
Yes, as a project manager for many relatively small infrastructure projects well before COVID, 10-20% contingency was generally more than adequate.  It’s a different ball game now but the benefits of these long overdue, vital infrastructure projects still outweigh the increasing costs.
Yes, in reality it's always cheaper in hindsight, our parents or grandparents thought $10K was too much for a house, imagine if they had waited for them to get cheaper?

I've several projects that have spanned the pandemic, the material and labour costs have risen 200%, but mostly in just the last year as supply chains start gouging customers to recoup bonuses lost over the pandemic. We froze many projects due to high freight costs during the pandemic, shipping rates climbed by 1400%. Those shipping rates have returned to pre-pandemic levels now, perhaps in some cases even lower, but the products they ship have remained high.

Oddly, the executive bonuses have recovered faster than expected, despite shareholder backlash, but wages are falling in real world terms.

In China the opposite is happening, the ar5e has fallen out of the market, suppliers are cutting each other's throat with discounts, it's last man standing before they go into full blown recession. Retail products there are 50% cheaper than they were before the pandemic, yet here we pay more than ever for the same sh1zen that gets imported. Historians will be alarmed by that, and they should be given the way socialist countries chose to get out of the doldrums.
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Reply #1706
While I'm not saying the state government are in the clear, I do have to wonder how the Grattan Institute thinks you plan for wars and pandemics, it seems a reasonable question to ask?

Organisations like the Grattan Institute provide an important service in subjecting government programs and projects to scrutiny that’s beyond the capacity of our opposition.  However, they’re not elected and don’t have to stand for re-election.

As has been remarked upon quite frequently in the last couple of weeks, Dick Hamer’s bold decision to build the City Loop would never have happened if it was subject to a basic cost-benefit analysis or Grattan Institute scrutiny.
“Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?”  Oddball

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Reply #1707
As has been remarked upon quite frequently in the last couple of weeks, Dick Hamer’s bold decision to build the City Loop would never have happened if it was subject to a basic cost-benefit analysis or Grattan Institute scrutiny.
I said the very same thing to the family last night about the London Underground, do people really think it made economic sense at the time?

These projects are not about profit, that is why they are labelled infrastructure.

Personally, they are 30 years too late already, we should have a bridge across the bay heads, and by now we should have been cutting a tunnel to Tassie!
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Reply #1708
I said the very same thing to the family last night about the London Underground, do people really think it made economic sense at the time?

These projects are not about profit, that is why they are labelled infrastructure.

Personally, they are 30 years too late already, we should have a bridge across the bay heads, and by now we should have been cutting a tunnel to Tassie!
Andrew chose to make the East-West link a political issue when every man and his dog knew it was needed. Infrastructure projects, while painful during construction and expensive, are necessary for the long term benefit and should never be politicised (especially at election time). Thats my simplistic view of it all.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

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Reply #1709
Andrew chose to make the East-West link a political issue when every man and his dog knew it was needed. Infrastructure projects, while painful during construction and expensive, are necessary for the long term benefit and should never be politicised (especially at election time). Thats my simplistic view of it all.

Try telling that to a politician.
Let’s go BIG !