Re: General Discussions Reply #1710 – December 17, 2023, 10:06:04 am Don't complain about the tolls, higher taxes and homeless either.The interest bill in Victoria is horrendous as are the projections for the future.We can't keep adding more population and spending money we don't have.Credit rating will drop and the price of everything will skyrocket as the price of money goes up...
Re: General Discussions Reply #1711 – December 17, 2023, 10:37:19 am Quote from: Gointocarlton on December 17, 2023, 07:02:17 amAndrew chose to make the East-West link a political issue when every man and his dog knew it was needed. Infrastructure projects, while painful during construction and expensive, are necessary for the long term benefit and should never be politicised (especially at election time). Thats my simplistic view of it all.Libs made the bomb, lit the fuse and passed it to Andrews the second he got voted in. He chose to throw it away rather than explode with it.He didn't make it a political issue.
Re: General Discussions Reply #1712 – December 17, 2023, 01:00:08 pm Well they can't blame the Libs for the Commonwealth Games.
Re: General Discussions Reply #1713 – December 17, 2023, 01:13:53 pm Quote from: madbluboy on December 17, 2023, 01:00:08 pmWell they can't blame the Libs for the Commonwealth Games.Its funny you should bring that up because it falls under the same scenario.Costs have gone through the roof since initial estimates.So do you....a) Continue as planned but go into further debtb) Cut your losses, cancel it and pay out a fee, but save money long term.Which is the best option?
Re: General Discussions Reply #1714 – December 17, 2023, 01:46:34 pm I think that the Commonwealth Games may have run its race. It's simply too expensive now to build the expected new infrastructure for an event that doesn't generate revenue. Perhaps they could continue as a "no frills" games using existing venues with minimal tarting up.
Re: General Discussions Reply #1715 – December 17, 2023, 02:26:18 pm Quote from: kruddler on December 17, 2023, 01:13:53 pmIts funny you should bring that up because it falls under the same scenario.Costs have gone through the roof since initial estimates.So do you....a) Continue as planned but go into further debtb) Cut your losses, cancel it and pay out a fee, but save money long term.Which is the best option?Pretty clear that it was used to help win an election. We see it as money down the drain but for Labor it was money well spent. Last Edit: December 17, 2023, 02:28:31 pm by madbluboy 1 Likes
Re: General Discussions Reply #1716 – December 17, 2023, 02:34:22 pm Quote from: DJC on December 17, 2023, 01:46:34 pmPerhaps they could continue as a "no frills" games using existing venues with minimal tarting up.Exactly, back to it's roots.The Comm Games was never meant to be a mini-Olympics, but it's evolved into a big deal.Who is to blame, well you know who the media! They turned it into a big broadcasting deal, a bidding war which drove up the cost, forcing the big dollar event to pay big dollar executives many former media execs, then media bailed when it all became too expensive!It's the same vicious cycle that happens over and over again to sports that can't attract big commercial sponsorships out of the USA or Europe, corporate psychopaths get hold of the sport, drain it of cash, then bugger off!
Re: General Discussions Reply #1717 – December 17, 2023, 02:51:46 pm Quote from: madbluboy on December 17, 2023, 02:26:18 pmPretty clear that it was used to help win an election. We see it as money down the drain but for Labor it was money well spent.Didn't answer the question though.Damned if they do.Damned if they don't.Not sure about you, but WGAF about the comm games anyway?Not sure how many votes it would've got them, if any, because its a second rate comp that generates little interest
Re: General Discussions Reply #1718 – December 17, 2023, 03:43:04 pm Quote from: kruddler on December 17, 2023, 02:51:46 pmDidn't answer the question though.Damned if they do.Damned if they don't.Not sure about you, but WGAF about the comm games anyway?Not sure how many votes it would've got them, if any, because its a second rate comp that generates little interestThere was an article on the whole situation highlighting all the regions they targeted promising to build facilities for were close seats. They were going to build a brand new pool in a suburb near Geelong despite having an olympic standard pool in Geelong. The difference was they already held a massive double digit margin where the existing pool was but only about 3 percent where the new pool was going to be built. It was a sham, if you believe in 9/11 conspiracies then I think you could accept a government willing to blow money to stay in power. 1 Likes
Re: General Discussions Reply #1719 – December 17, 2023, 04:09:14 pm That's right...The votes don't stem from an interest in sport it's more about the improved facilities for suburbs and regions.
Re: General Discussions Reply #1720 – December 17, 2023, 05:53:22 pm Quote from: madbluboy on December 17, 2023, 03:43:04 pmThere was an article on the whole situation highlighting all the regions they targeted promising to build facilities for were close seats. They were going to build a brand new pool in a suburb near Geelong despite having an olympic standard pool in Geelong. The difference was they already held a massive double digit margin where the existing pool was but only about 3 percent where the new pool was going to be built. It was a sham, if you believe in 9/11 conspiracies then I think you could accept a government willing to blow money to stay in power.Again, not the point.I remember the article.I'm not saying there was no benefit to them initially. I'm saying that they were screwed no matter what.If you make a promise to build something for a price and that price changes, you either break a promise on the price or you break a promise on of it gets built or not.They are not the reason the price changed, but they will get hung one way or another for it.
Re: General Discussions Reply #1721 – December 17, 2023, 07:08:38 pm I live about 5 minutes from the proposed Olympic White Water canoe complex in BrisbaneOpinions are very divided,The complex is to be built on ex-farm/bush land.There has been ongoing discussion about how to use the land for some years.Many folk favoured developing the land into a parkland/community gardens/market area.These people are dead against it being used for sport.It's a situation where the sporting option may not necessarily be the best political option.Many people point to the somewhat white 'water' elephant built at Penrith for the Sydney games.Me, I'm looking at how much I can make renting my place for the week in 2032 Last Edit: December 17, 2023, 07:10:51 pm by Lods 1 Likes
Re: General Discussions Reply #1722 – December 17, 2023, 08:13:54 pm During the election the Liberal Party said they will scrap the SRL and build hospitals instead. Dan Andrews said he would do both. They're not building any hospitals, the SRL has been delayed because we're broke and Dan is trying to find somewhere to play golf.
Re: General Discussions Reply #1723 – December 17, 2023, 08:31:59 pm MBB, That's at least 3 times you've failed to answer the question.You'd make a good politician.
Re: General Discussions Reply #1724 – December 17, 2023, 08:44:43 pm Quote from: kruddler on December 17, 2023, 08:31:59 pmMBB, That's at least 3 times you've failed to answer the question.You'd make a good politician. I'm a believer if you commit to something you follow through so a). Like I said though it was all an election sham.
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