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Reply #1725
I'm a believer if you commit to something you follow through so a). Like I said though it was all an election sham.
But do you commit to the build or the cost?
Its one or the other.

You talk about our debt, but your choice is to go further into debt and for what.....the comm games?
Pass.

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Reply #1726
During the election the Liberal Party said they will scrap the SRL and build hospitals instead. Dan Andrews said he would do both.

They're not building any hospitals, the SRL has been delayed because we're broke and Dan is trying to find somewhere to play golf.
They are building hospitals and care facilities though.

Check out ferntree gully, Wantirna, there is a new ten story building going up at Box Hill, and rumour has it, Maroondah hospital too.

The Eastern Health corridor is growing very quickly.  The Northern has got some new facilities too.

There is no doubt that infrustructure is going up, the cost cutting is coming in various capacities too.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

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Reply #1727
Yes, it's easy to remember the stuff that doesn't work and want to kick people, but have a look at the new Victorian Heart Hospital near Monash Uni. State of the art, announced in 2018 and opened in early 2023, that's not a trivial result across a pandemic.

So if I had to care about projects and timeline, I think the VHH was way more important than a road or train line.
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Reply #1728
My mum had a minor procedure there and they nicked an artery in her groin on the way out and had to rush her to the Monash because they don't have a vascular team at the VHH.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

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Reply #1729
They are building hospitals and care facilities though.

Check out ferntree gully, Wantirna, there is a new ten story building going up at Box Hill, and rumour has it, Maroondah hospital too.

The Eastern Health corridor is growing very quickly.  The Northern has got some new facilities too.

There is no doubt that infrustructure is going up, the cost cutting is coming in various capacities too.
Think they are potentially building something new up in Mernda as well. Read something about that about a year ago.

Those are the types of things you want the government spending on, and not worrying about swimming pools in regional areas.

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Reply #1730
My mum had a minor procedure there and they nicked an artery in her groin on the way out and had to rush her to the Monash because they don't have a vascular team at the VHH.
I hope she is all well now, I was surprised to hear they are already taking patients, my cardiologist hasn't even moved in yet but he is eventually!

There are no guarantees in even minor procedures, one of the big complications in having stents is damaging a vein or artery. Even at the newer hospitals like VHH and the new Frankston Cardiology Centre they'll ship you off to Monash or the Alfred if something goes wrong because there just aren't that many emergency specialists to go around.

The other week I was in the GP and a mother brought a kid in who had accidentally stabbed herself in the forearm using an art knife, one of those scalpel blades they use to cut stencils, just the wrong spot so they packed her in an ambulance and straight to the Alfred. The nurse said she was lucky somebody was home or things could have been as bad as it gets from what most people would say is a trivial cut.
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Reply #1731
Righto, bit of venting needed. This evening I witnessed first hand what I think is wrong with young people in 2023. Behaviours that start with some gobbing off that often leads to violence (sometimes fatal) when directed at the wrong person and then leaving parents wondering "how could that happen to our young boy, he was such a loved young man".

I was on the way home tonight in my car and I was crossing a bike lane which runs in the nature strip of a busy main road. I had to stop as I crossed it as car was in front me stopped waiting to cross the car on the side. I was probably obstructing the rather wide bike lane, by a tow bar at worst. This young turd, maybe 20 years of age + or - a year, riding down the bike lane pulls up next to my window and starts hurling the biggest, mother of all expletive laiden tirades I have heard in a very long time. He called me every name under the sun and had a go at every one of my physical attributes. I admit to eventually exchanging some expletives with said punter and he eventually road off. Now my point is that if this to me occurred 25 years ago, I can promise you that within 20 seconds I would have jumped out and given him a fair old fashioned hiding. These days, I am older, grumpier but a lot wiser, however if that idiot had have hurled that abuse to the wrong character (like some of the mad pricks you see on the news these days), I'm tipping there would have been a fair chance he may not have seen Xmas 23.
Now technically, to the letter of the law, I was in the wrong but FMD a more disrespectful, young a-hole I have not come across. To stop and launch that level of venom over such a minor thing I found mind blowing.
Vent over.


2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

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Reply #1732
Sorry you had to put up with that GTC. Disgraceful behavior. Wonder how he'd go on the frontline in the Ukraine?
Reality always wins in the end.

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Reply #1733
As a regular former cyclist myself I have to say within that group there are some seriously self-entitled folks who give the community a bad rap.
Maybe GIC was in the wrong technically but the number of cyclists who think the rules don't apply to them is also significant.
Common sense is often out the window.
We have a stretch of road with a perfectly good, wide, safe bike track alongside it yet some cyclists take to the road that narrows in parts over bridges and delays traffic significantly.

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Reply #1734
Righto, bit of venting needed. This evening I witnessed first hand what I think is wrong with young people in 2023. Behaviours that start with some gobbing off that often leads to violence (sometimes fatal) when directed at the wrong person and then leaving parents wondering "how could that happen to our young boy, he was such a loved young man".

I was on the way home tonight in my car and I was crossing a bike lane which runs in the nature strip of a busy main road. I had to stop as I crossed it as car was in front me stopped waiting to cross the car on the side. I was probably obstructing the rather wide bike lane, by a tow bar at worst. This young turd, maybe 20 years of age + or - a year, riding down the bike lane pulls up next to my window and starts hurling the biggest, mother of all expletive laiden tirades I have heard in a very long time. He called me every name under the sun and had a go at every one of my physical attributes. I admit to eventually exchanging some expletives with said punter and he eventually road off. Now my point is that if this to me occurred 25 years ago, I can promise you that within 20 seconds I would have jumped out and given him a fair old fashioned hiding. These days, I am older, grumpier but a lot wiser, however if that idiot had have hurled that abuse to the wrong character (like some of the mad pricks you see on the news these days), I'm tipping there would have been a fair chance he may not have seen Xmas 23.
Now technically, to the letter of the law, I was in the wrong but FMD a more disrespectful, young a-hole I have not come across. To stop and launch that level of venom over such a minor thing I found mind blowing.
Vent over.

My family has always been renowned for not taking sh1t; one of my sisters once chased a car that cut her off only to discover that it was full of armed robbers who had just robbed a bank.

My late brother spent 20 years with VicPol before becoming a barrister.  He took me aside and said that I should think very carefully before engaging in argy bargy with other motorists.  He named half a dozen crims of his acquaintance who would happily smash my head with a brick or shoot me without hesitation if I tangled with them.  Basically, you never know who is driving the car that veered into your lane or blocked the bicycle lane.

Your cyclist needs an older, wiser, street-smart brother to stop him coming to a sticky end.

“Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?”  Oddball

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Reply #1735
As a regular former cyclist myself I have to say within that group there are some seriously self-entitled folks who give the community a bad rap.
Maybe GIC was in the wrong technically but the number of cyclists who think the rules don't apply to them is also significant.
Common sense is often out the window.
We have a stretch of road with a perfectly good, wide, safe bike track alongside it yet some cyclists take to the road that narrows in parts over bridges and delays traffic significantly.
It really has been an ongoing battle between bike riders and motorists since the dawn of time. Major D-heads on both sides. I'm a driver and a bike rider and get embarrassed and angry by the behaviour of both groups. Try and stick to bike tracks as much as possible and try to avoid bike riders as much as possible. Not sure things will ever change between these groups.

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Reply #1736
Just to be clear, I dont much now but I used to ride the same bike lane to work nearly every day and the number of cars who crossed the raised bike lane oblivious to cyclists was insane. I saw heaps of cyclists knocked over on the path. I didn't just go over the lane without looking, I stopped, made sure there were bikes near by and moved fwd to the other side. As I sad, I reckon my tower was obstructing. As I said, I knew technically I was in the wrong and this wasn't about a car/cyclist thing. To me it was about a behaviour/attitude that will get you into trouble if you cross the wrong type of person. I have no doubt in my mind that bloke will get a lesson from someone one day, nothing surer.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

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Reply #1737
You know whats missing in the world is the ability to think beyond whats in front of you, and appreciate that everyone has a challenge in front of them.

That cyclist, missed the fact the car was obstructing things, because the car likely couldnt proceed, because up the line someone else was obstructing someone else, and so on and so forth.

When the roads get busy, people get frustrated, and occasionally do stupid stuff, but the thing that really irritates me, is just how selfish the world has become and how unable to understand the other perspective.

It all happens easily enough with a sorry mate, and everyone waves and moves on.  Instead you get people tailgating to not let one car in, when a zipper merge is more efficient, and leads to less overall traffic slowdown.  Instead, its I need to push in, and brake instantly because im going too fast, which slows traffic further (and ultimately contributes to the odd car accident).

The other thing that drives me spare, are the people who plan their routes so badly that they all of a sudden need to turn left, across 3 lanes of traffic.  Are you that busy, that you can't just proceed, do a U turn, and then turn right?  Or can you not just turn left further up, then turn left again and merge like a human being?

The bikes, again, another tirade launched at people who were blocking a driveway to get trucks in and out stop signs at all.  Wellington street Collingwood.  A car turning right across traffic into said driveway, and a lollipop, and instead of understanding whats going on, she launches into a tirade, whilst blocking the driveway, and all of us are standing still because one bike was upset the lollipop dude, stopped everyone. 

Its annoying.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

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Reply #1738
The problems exist on both sides but are greatly inflated by media reporting with bias, the simple truth is this, drivers and riders are not perfect they make mistakes. Some minority on both sides flout the laws, both sides should openly highlight those doing so, but good people tend to stay silent, and it tends to be the case that until an incident becomes serious the overloaded authorities aren't interested either.

On the technical front, I'm all for more cameras and bike registration, if a bike lane is 25% of the road surface it should also be taxed at 25% of the annual fees.

On the car side of things, more and more vehicles are fitted with cameras now, and as much as some activists riders have been using cameras for political purposes, the vehicle cameras confirm the problem is not unilateral.

But no matter what laws or society say, riders can't win in a conflict with 1400kg of flammable fuel packed alloy, actually now with EVs becoming more prevalent it's more like 2000kg of high voltage alloy.

eScooters are making the situation even worse, they are the new plague, like the monkey bikes were 10 years ago!

Riders dream of a nirvana with roads full of of two wheels, but anyone who has spent 5 minutes driving around Denpasar, Jakarta, Ho Chi Minh or the like will know otherwise, it's not nirvana it's hell! I've had business associates killed by trucks swerving to avoid a falling rider, another associate hand signalling a turn/lane swap lost his arm to a lane splitting motorbike rider, and another associate suffering long term PSTD from being on the scene of a tragic collision between a turning rider and a cement truck.
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Reply #1739
Sorry you had to put up with that GTC. Disgraceful behavior. Wonder how he'd go on the frontline in the Ukraine?

I wonder how any of us would. Let's celebrate that this Xmas, that we don't have to experience it.