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Elon gets control over twitter .... how will the petals cope with that ... 



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His main deal so far is to have Twitter add an edit button so people can change / revise tweets, it's basically panders to Trump like personalities who can have an unhinged rant and then "refine" the meaning later!
The Force Awakens!

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It's called free speech ... read it or just choose to ignore it.

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LP, not sure that would work given that people are pretty quick to get screenshots and would be even quicker if an edit button was used in that way.

Not sure the snowflakes will be happy with him either. De Santis has shown that he's only against cancel culture when fellow snowflakes are under fire. But he's happy to use political power to cancel anyone who stands against his agenda, for example Disney opposing the "Don't say gay" law. Giving a guy like Musk power to ban De Santis and others of his ilk limits De Santis' power. And Musk isn't the sort to suck up to politicians; if anything, he goes out of his way to put noses out of joint. De Santis and Trump would have been far happier if Peter Thiel had bought Twitter.

Fact is, neither the left nor the right are happy with social media power and breaking up their monopolies would win broad support.

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LP, not sure that would work given that people are pretty quick to get screenshots and would be even quicker if an edit button was used in that way.
Musk won't care what kids or techno savvy social media types do routinely.

His target will be the billions of blocked, banned or restricted users across China, India, France, Russia, etc., etc..  we take access to this stuff for granted, most of the world do not even get it!

Musk is selling a minimal change, but his target will be to get Twitter into these locations and then sell it again with double the audience and a greatly inflated price. He doesn't care about democracy, but he won't be silly enough to make himself a defacto world president, he is just another media megalomaniac like Murdoch!
The Force Awakens!

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Musk owned around 5.2% worth of shares and then improved his holding to around 9% which spiked the share price straight after by around 25%, nice little earner for Elon. However the securities commission required disclosure of his initial holding which he failed to do within the 10 day time frame and one irate shareholder is taking legal action on behalf of other shareholders given Musk saved 143 million dollars. Hard to comprehend Musk has 87 million followers on twitter, he said he wants to promote free speech with few restrictions and no doubt will use it to push his own ideas to the world and make some more money.
He took a margin loan to part bankroll the deal and of course in the USA you can deduct investment interest expense up to the amount of your net taxable investment income, Elon aint no twit if you pardon the pun...
Elons definition of free speech is " Is someone you don’t like allowed to say something you don’t like"?.. If that is the case, then we have free speech’.”

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It's called free speech ... read it or just choose to ignore it.
Unfortunately "Free Speech" is more often used as a cover for hate speech, it's the old game that has been played out since pre-WWII.

When the Nazis rose to power they did so by promoting a "false truth", that the people were not being heard by the authorities. The Nazis claimed they would listen to the public and do the public's bidding, but once they got power the exact opposite happened and censorship and information control ruled the media of the time.

Some even see Google as a modern day variant if this, Trump certainly is and Bolsonaro another, the actions do not match the words and historically regulated platforms like Twitter brought their bullshizen undone.

Oddly Putin is technically the antithesis pretty much ignoring his people's perspective and pandering to the ruling elite, at the moment though blokes like Putin and Jinping do not matter because Russia and China are not on Twitter.

How do you find the truth if Musk tweaks Twitter to get countries like Russia and China onboard?

This will be Musk's goal, he'll see Twitters worth rise by some significant multiplier if he can get the other half of the world using it, do not expect him to be altruistic or even care!
The Force Awakens!

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Quote from: LP on
Unfortunately "Free Speech" is more often used as a cover for hate speech, it's the old game that has been played out since pre-WWII.

When the Nazis rose to power they did so by promoting a "false truth", that the people were not being heard by the authorities. The Nazis claimed they would listen to the public and do the public's bidding, but once they got power the exact opposite happened and censorship and information control ruled the media of the time.

Some even see Google as a modern day variant if this, Trump certainly is and Bolsonaro another, the actions do not match the words and historically regulated platforms like Twitter brought their bullshizen undone.

Oddly Putin is technically the antithesis pretty much ignoring his people's perspective and pandering to the ruling elite, at the moment though blokes like Putin and Jinping do not matter because Russia and China are not on Twitter.

How do you find the truth if Musk tweaks Twitter to get countries like Russia and China onboard?

This will be Musk's goal, he'll see Twitters worth rise by some significant multiplier if he can get the other half of the world using it, do not expect him to be altruistic or even care!
Putin has good support from the people especially the mid to old range who loved the old Soviet days, he has sold the idea that the Nazi's aided by NATO will attack Russia if he doesnt show who is the boss. We have friends who live in Krasnador and there is a level of apathy and trust in Putin according to them given the media blitz to endorse the " special operation" in Ukraine.
Like Hitler he has lunatic charisma that appeals to those happy to be led by the nose and be reminded of the glory days of the past. You visit Russia and all the old WW2 memorials, monuments, eternal flame sites are all well preserved and they have boards and boards of those who died defending Russia from the Nazis, they celebrate victories with big parades and Putin wants to be another Stalin and have that glory on his CV.

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Time waits for no man, though. Putin will turn 70 later on this year. There's speculation that video he released of discussions with his military leaders shows him gripping the corners of his meeting room table to suppress tremors which might be caused by Parkinson's Disease. And there's an even more problematic possibility that he has thryroid cancer. Maybe that's just propaganda from or wishful thinking by Ukraine or the West, but it's not as though he isn't an old guy now. 

Apparently, he also suffers from a bad back allegedly caused by a fall off a horse a while back as he tried to project an image of the rugged outdoors hero or a judo session that went wrong. Maybe his swashbuckling days are over.

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Time waits for no man, though. Putin will turn 70 later on this year. There's speculation that video he released of discussions with his military leaders shows him gripping the corners of his meeting room table to suppress tremors which might be caused by Parkinson's Disease. And there's an even more problematic possibility that he has thryroid cancer. Maybe that's just propaganda from or wishful thinking by Ukraine or the West, but it's not as though he isn't an old guy now. 

Apparently, he also suffers from a bad back allegedly caused by a fall off a horse a while back as he tried to project an image of the rugged outdoors hero or a judo session that went wrong. Maybe his swashbuckling days are over.
Hitler had Parkinsons, Syphilis and a host of other conditions, he went down swinging in the bunker and I fear Vlad the Invader might do the same hence his eagerness to deploy his Sarmat 2 nukes which can be fired by a variety of means.
I'd be offering Vlad a future not waiting for him to create a past.......

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Quote from: LP on
Unfortunately "Free Speech" is more often used as a cover for hate speech, it's the old game that has been played out since pre-WWII.

AGAIN, who is the final arbiter on that?  Just subjective.  And we see growing censorship everywhere, especially from governments, something I passionately hate regardless of left or right.  Like it or not, you CANNOT control thought.  And no, I don't use social media

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As well as favouring unregulated freedom of speech on Twitter, Musk also wants to limit Twitter to authenticated users. This, he believes, will lessen the extreme rhetoric as users won't be able to hide behind anonymous accounts. He also says he wants to rid Twitter of spam accounts and bots.

Interestingly, his commitment to free speech isn't absolute. He's quite happy to enforce the restrictions on free speech imposed by authorities around the world.

The ball isn't only in Musk's court though. There's a legislative provision in the US which gives internet providers immunity from litigation over posts on their systems. In Congressional hearings, various politicians in the US have threatened to repeal that protection. If that ever happened, Twitter might then be on the hook for allowing defamatory posts or other objectionable posts to remain. To avoid liability, Twitter might have to put in place a system for moderating its content and that would see it back where it is now. Rather than actually repealing that protection, the threat of that repeal may be used to pressure Musk to moderate Twitter.

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AGAIN, who is the final arbiter on that?  Just subjective.  And we see growing censorship everywhere, especially from governments, something I passionately hate regardless of left or right.  Like it or not, you CANNOT control thought.  And no, I don't use social media
As noted in my last post, free speech doesn't mean there are no consequences. It's hard to sue an anonymous poster for defamation, but if you can identify the poster then that's a different matter. Up in Sydney, a cosmetic surgeon has been awarded $450,000 in damages against another cosmetic surgeon who posted false bad reviews while posing as a dissatisfied customer.

If Musk does bring in a requirement that users authenticate their identities, that will be a pretty major curb on "free speech". It will also mean dissent in more brutal political systems will be much more dangerous.

If we want to allow anonymous posting and shield those users from any blowback for their online behaviour, there needs to be some way of limiting the malicious falsehoods. 

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To avoid liability, Twitter might have to put in place a system for moderating its content and that would see it back where it is now. Rather than actually repealing that protection, the threat of that repeal may be used to pressure Musk to moderate Twitter.
Musk would then just threaten to do for Twitter what he threatened to do for Tesla, and take it offshore!

I suspect the USA is so paranoid about losing the appearance of control over this techno stuff they'll fold like a house of cards, like they did when he threatened to move all of Tesla to China! The USA makes a big noise, but it is only about 8% of the affluent global market, or 3% of the global population, the global population is probably more important to Twitter than the affluence level.

I've also heard Musk will initiate some sort of paid version that is Ad limited or Ad free, and extend the current Ad supported model for the free versions. I note Microsoft has recently had a lot of success doing something similar for LinkedIn.
The Force Awakens!

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He's only able to run free like King Kong until they trap him on top of the Empire State Building.