Sorry, I see democratic, non territorial expansionist nations as having major concerns with out friend Mr Putin and expect them to put their shoulder to the grindstone to help defend nations such as Ukraine from neighborhood bullies. You claim to be a student of history but seem to think Putin will stop at Ukraine ? Let’s not forget Crimea, but where will he next turn his sights ? The only way to stop your friend Mr Putin is a sword at his throat, nothing less. History is your friend.
Why is Mr putin my friend?
What does any of this have to do with Biden vs Trump?
My argument is that the two discussions are not mutually exclusive.
I dont believe the USA will change foreign policy irrespective of who's president.
I think you guys are bonkers for thinking this could be a result, and the president is just a puppet spokesman not a dictator.
Also in closing the USA arms more people for conflict for their own profit than for any noble cause. You could argue that all their interference in the middle east has fueled the whole reason Russia invaded the Ukraine to begin with. Are you a student of history? All of this is a continuation of past conflicts, not new.
Apparently external parties blew up a gas pipeline which resulted in another reason for Russia to take on Ukraine. That's from someone I know serving in HMAS services.
And allowing Russia to “win” in Ukraine, how does that advance world peace ?
omg in the context of an election what difference does this make?
Do you think im saying pull out or put in?
Do you think this factor should be a reason to vote one way or the other?
I dont. I think the USA should mind its own business and I think most people on this forum see Biden vs Trump and have extrapolated some Byzantine complex scenario where one or the other changes the fortune of that nation (which it doesnt). No matter how much aid Ukraine gets today Russia will invade it again at any time.
These places have been in dispute for 100s of years and they will remain that way.
They said “let him have Poland, it will make him happy and bring peace to us all” (as long as you’re not Polish…)
So we don't get confused about why I'm saying this, Trump was the first person to recognise Jerusalem as belonging to Israel. Look how THAT turned out.
Stopping Russia in Ukraine today is not the same thing and it is no reason to sway the election.
We seem to get pinged for holding at stoppages more often than our opponents, despite being a lot less physical and blocking rather than grappling.
I know that we can’t blame the umpires for the result, and free kicks miraculously ended up at 19 apiece, but it’s where and when frees are and aren’t paid that makes a difference.
If the right decisions had been made in the first quarter, we would have had a six or seven goal lead at the first break. That’s the kind of margin that can affect team performance.
The bottom line is that the 23 blokes we had on the park weren’t good enough … but they could have been 🤔
we somehow manage to have frees paid against us directly in front of goals but hardly ever get one ourselves.
If we beat both Port and Essendon we are are back on track, lose one or both and we are going to play catchup with the top 4 imho. I expect to beat Gold Coast comfortably....
I can't see our next win at the minute. We can't run out games. Next week against the Suns at marvel is no guarantee.
Without being overly dramatic...Folks probably said the same thing about Czechoslovakia and Poland in the late 1930s. Once Ukraine is 'annexed' where to next for a Russian president who seems intent on 'returning' Russian borders to something resembling the USSR
There is a pretty good reason why we should be concerned. There's a good reason why the American response is important...because there may come a time when we need to be concerned about the strength of our own relationship with the USA.
I didn't see anyone getting too worked up about the USA marching into Iraq to overthrow Saddam Hussein.
Those are the "good guys" invading. In war there are no good guys. Only victims.
There's the good old brand of freedom being dished out by the USA that no one cares about. Until they do. Ukraine or Russia makes no difference. There is no what next. There is no slippery slope. All there is is the next war for the next Territory or resource which will continue for eternity whilst people walk the earth.
Ukraine should have minimal impact by regime change in the states and has nothing to do with the price of fish because that war or proxy war lives and dies by NATO. The end.
But it wasn't Biden (or rather the folks looking after him) who held up the aid to Ukraine. It was the Republicans, probably at the behest of Trump who held up that aid by tying it to extracting extra concessions on other issues like the border security.
Mav warned about this when the war was in its infancy. If Trump wins you can probably kiss Ukraine goodbye. NATO wouldn't be able to rely on the USA. We'd probably need to worry about the strength of our own alliances. MAGA is an American first, isolationist movement. The security and well being of other countries doesn't really rate.
The Democrats don't get a free pass though. If Biden's their candidate then Trump's a real chance....and that's on them. Apart from the issues with economy, the other big issues in this election are border security and American jobs being lost to other countries. These are resonating when you hear American voters asked about the issues thaty concern them.
In the end the contest will boil down to whether the Americans would prefer a president largely controlled by his 'carers' or a president no-one is really capable of controlling. That would seem an easy choice for us. Apparently not so for the USA.
Why is Ukraine anyone else's problem?
Curious. My biggest gripe with the usa is its interference in international conflict is rather self serving anyway.
I.e. Israel in Palestine is their horse being backed so the strong condemnation isn't occurring. Meanwhile Ukraine falling to Russia is their horse not being backed in favour of a rival so everyone must intervene.
Ultimately in both cases they don't care about anything but their own interests. Nothing wrong with that, but let's not wax lyrically about one party or the other here and another nation and its rather unrelated geo politics.
I think you boys are confusing getting blown away by a team in peak physical form, fitness with a team thats been banged up, the boys were willing we just didnt have the wheels to go with them and got cut up once the swans running game got going. The Swans destroyed gws not long ago in similar fashion.
When you're slow and spemding your chips trying to go quick, the inside work eventually drops off because you're gassed. Last night wasn't about effort, or even desire. The desire was there, if it wasn't the first quarter doesn't happen where we go 4 goals up. The consistency is what's missing, and some capability.
I wouldn't call us bruise free. There was plenty of effort but not much method. Tactics are the difference between talent and ability and a good footy team. We rely heavily on talented individuals it seems.
Did last week take it out of us - it was a wet slog last week and we had to do everything to hold on.
Sydney oval is comical - one kick, goal 🙄
Harry’s Miss right in front was PUTRID! No excuses.
Charlie is not playing well and pushed off the ball way too easily.
So many unsighted players - Kennedy the only to consistently stand out as ok. Even Hewitt who is usually solid, did stuff all.
Missing - TDK, Owies, FANTASIA!, kemp!
What a disastrous putrid game.
Umpiring didn’t make us lose but they too were putrid - not 15 not 15 play on play on. Give me a break!
acres was good across 4 quarters I thought. Cincotta can be proud of his efforts. Hewett battled on. The rest were rubbish.
What we are really dirty about though is we've been waiting a long time for a Carlton side to play anything like Sydney tonight, and we'll be waiting a lot longer by the looks of things.
If only the disappointment was just this one game, but Fantasia is properly cooked, I can't understand why he is being defended.
Talking about the others is just deflection, this bloke Fantasia has underperformed to the point of having zero impact in every game he has played in 2024. So the point of developing someone is quite valid, they won't be worse.
we are trying to get blokes fit. Forget about the names. We can't run out games
Fantasia been in the AFL system at 3 clubs for 10 years, Binns has 1 game 1 year under his belt!
Fantasia is embarrassing himself.
Cognitive ability is escaping you slightly. We've had about 10 passengers tonight, two of our best McKay and walsh have cost us dearly, TDK's not getting near the footy, our defense is under siege, our key forwards aren't kicking goals and binns for fantasia is what you're focussing on?
Did you see his one effort at afl level? He's not ready yet.
We cannot have Fantasia, Durdin, Ollie Hollands all in the one side, we are carrying too many non-physical types which leaves us too easy to play against.
