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Re: AFL Rd 8 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #45 –
Fogarty + Motlop + Martin = significant forward pressure and scoreboard activity.

Owies + Fantasia + Durdin = 4 tackles. (Durdin 0 goals 0 tackles.)
 

Re: AFL Rd 8 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #46 –
We constantly look at who's missing as to the way to improve.

When martin is in and plays 2 average games we want him dropped. When his injured we want him back as another ‘dud’ is not performing. Rarely any team is injury free and apart from your high end top liners, injuries to players ranked below your top 10 are over rated imo.

If cripps weitering charlie harry are out its a big loss but when we start counting on a injury riddled blokes like martin marchbank mcgovern and even a young player like motlop to fix our problems we are kidding ourself.

Re: AFL Rd 8 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #47 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 on
Big Picture view....I dont like losing to Collingwood either but we can improve our team with key players who are out injured and removing players who cant be trusted to play finals type footy when you have to. Rather lose now and find out where our weak points are than fall apart at seasons end and have these type of losses pre-finals.
Do our players good to have some pressure on them now and stop believing all the hype in the media with people like David King saying its Geelong, GWS and us as your contenders and the rest are making up the numbers...
We need to get better at playing dirty, tough finals type footy and having more contributors...
Losing Jsos n Doc to is proving to be a massive disadvantage.

Re: AFL Rd 8 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #48 –
Quote from: shawny on
We constantly look at who's missing as to the way to improve.

When martin is in and plays 2 average games we want him dropped. When his injured we want him back as another ‘dud’ is not performing. Rarely any team is injury free and apart from your high end top liners, injuries to players ranked below your top 10 are over rated imo.

If cripps weitering charlie harry are out its a big loss but when we start counting on a injury riddled blokes like martin marchbank mcgovern and even a young player like motlop to fix our problems we are kidding ourself.
Correct, we are kidding ourselves. The "experts" tipped we would be flag contenders, but they don't know for this to be even remotely possible we have to have our best 22 on the park and firing at the same time. We do not have those 4 to 6 bit players to come in and fill up gaps when the neeed arises. Like tonight. We have limitations. We have no depth

Re: AFL Rd 8 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #49 –
Quote from: dozbe on
Losing Jsos n Doc to is proving to be a massive disadvantage.
Docherty is a cool head in the heat of battle and I think we saw Pendlebury provide that for Collingwood and the goal he kicked was massive under real pressure. JSOS gives you options and you know you will get a contest from him..

Re: AFL Rd 8 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #50 –
Our depth isn’t enough to win big games.
It’s close but without Saad and McGovern out our backline isn’t sharp enough in its delivery forward.
Our small forwards need to nail each opportunity they have but the ones who are there at the moment don’t
Fantasia missing on three quarter time prime example also no pressure tackles to keep ball in
We will need a lot of luck with injuries to go deep

Re: AFL Rd 8 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #51 –
I love the Voss but No interest in showing support for him right now. Pittonet dropped a dozen marks he could have set up forward launches or settled the backline - but dropped every single one of them. No more two rucks thanks Voss.

Re: AFL Rd 8 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #52 –
At the end of the day, I'm just so pi55ed off that with all our limitations we couldn't beat this mob who are still running around with a quite a few geriatrics. In fact, it was one old timer kicking it to another old timer in the end that broke our backs.
No respect

Re: AFL Rd 8 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #53 –
Quote from: shawny on
We constantly look at who's missing as to the way to improve.

When martin is in and plays 2 average games we want him dropped. When his injured we want him back as another ‘dud’ is not performing. Rarely any team is injury free and apart from your high end top liners, injuries to players ranked below your top 10 are over rated imo.

If cripps weitering charlie harry are out its a big loss but when we start counting on a injury riddled blokes like martin marchbank mcgovern and even a young player like motlop to fix our problems we are kidding ourself.
We all know the reality with Martin, he will get injured, go missing at times so you just hope he is fit when needed for big games as his best makes a difference because he can change and win games but have to live with the downside of injuries and lack of consistency in games.
McGovern as that extra support for Weitering and Young/or Kemp provides that 2nd man up in contests and intercept ability that good teams have plus his kicking has depth and is usually decent. Never been a massive fan or either he or Martin but they are crucial at either end for us to be at our best and most dangerous and I think Motlop paired with Owies and Fogarty gives us our best small forward setup. They are not worldbeaters but cogs in the engine and know their roles.

Re: AFL Rd 8 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #54 –
We are playing sides we need to beat to be contenders. Next two games see us slip out of the top 8 and struggle to get back in. Similar to last season. Lack of cattle with talent, or lack of composure when it is required. Our next 5 games could be a painful period coming up. Worst part is that Collingwood are not at their best yet. History never repeats. Yes it does. We can only hope we don’t have additional injuries soon. This is the bitter feeling you have when Collingwood beat you at desperate times of a game. They have done it to us before.
This digital world is too much for us insects to understand.

Re: AFL Rd 8 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #55 –
Quote from: pinot on
We didnt lose the game because of Young I can assure you of that he cleaned up both Cox and Cameron.
Young had some good patches, especially early. In the last quarter he made some crucial mistakes and let Collingwood in. He doesn't seem to have a very cool head: he panics.
There were times, especially in the 3rd and 1st quarters where he looked damned good.
Next round he'll have an interesting matchup, as Melbourne are still experimenting with forwards.

We've seen what Young can do. I'd be tempted to play Sam Durdin, if he can get through tomorrow unscathed. We need to see what he can do under pressure.

McGovern will be a good in: he provides run, he kicks the ball a long way and he can take a mark.
Live Long and Prosper!

Re: AFL Rd 8 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #56 –
Quote from: pinot on
Lack of run - Pitto couldnt take a mark to save his life.
When Pitto was in the ruck, he had the better of the Collingwood talls and he provided most of our clearances. he didn't do a lot around the ground, but he didn't let the Collingwood rucks do much either.
Pitto was our best ruck by far.

Tom had a shocker in the ruck. The few taps he got went straight to Collingwood players. Cameron, in particular, dominated him and got most of his taps against him.
In the forward line, however, Tom had a great day. He was a dangerous target all night, kicking 2 and missing one. He got the ball around the ground quite a bit, but fumbled just so much. He couldn't take a mark around the ground to save his life, tonight, and marking is one of his strengths.

I wouldn't be discarding Pitto. He had 15 possessions and 6 clearances! Granted that he wasn't as effective as he has been: Collingwood worked out some tactics that minimized our mids' effectiveness. In particular, they made Cripps play to his weaknesses instead of his strengths.
Live Long and Prosper!

Re: AFL Rd 8 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #57 –
Quote from: Professer E on
Pies' system of ball movement, defensive plan and set up is far superior to ours. They were the better team, quite clearly so I'm afraid

Our midfield is slow, our release and spread horrible and defence has broken down completely.  Other than Weeters, our backs aren't winning or halving contests consistently.  Our small forwards -2 of three anyway - were $$@ing useless.  And they're slow and apply no pressure.  Fantasia is a joke.
There system and their attack on the ball was incredible tonight. last year, we were the hunters and it made a difference. This year they were hunting us and they worked out ways of making our mids ineffective.
All of our mids got plenty of the ball, but they didn't use it well. Collingwood got more out of their mids, especially when it mattered.

Free kicks: I wondered which game the Umpires were at. They ignored so many frees, and not just ours. And the ones they paid were quite often tiggy touchwood. Not pleased with his for the 2nd week in a row.

Our small forwards, Durdin did some nice things, just not enough of them. he was much better than he has been because he didn't stuff up. That said, he's there to kick goals and he didn't get any.
Fantasia, I don't know how he gets a game. he has to go when Motlop is fit. We can't keep carrying a guy who gets less than 8 possessions each week and doesn't kick goals. His shot could have been the difference, and it wasn't that far out, but he failed.
Matt Owies kicked 3 and didn't make any shockers either, but isn't getting the ball enough.
Cottrell had his worst game for the season. He just couldn't get near the ball.
It was the run their opponents got that really hurt us.
David Cuningham didn't do enough, but the things he did do were pretty good.

With Fogarty and Motlop in, we'll keep the ball in better and have some x-factor, which we lack badly.
Live Long and Prosper!

Re: AFL Rd 8 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #58 –
Quote from: pinot on
Well we should give a 3rd pick + Williams + 30% of salary to whoever wants to take him.

Enough is enough.
Williams disappointed tonight. He hasn't got his form back yet. maybe he needs some time in the 2's to get confidence in attacking the ball.
I'm not willing to throw the baby out just yet, but he needs to regain his touch.

Cincotta didn't provide much drive, but he controlled his opponent for all but about 2 seconds.
Cowan wasn't that bad either. He did a job, but he's not providing much drive either.
Weitering obliterated his opponents. he was the best defender on the ground by kilometres.
Nic Newman got a lot of ball, but was always under pressure.
Live Long and Prosper!

Re: AFL Rd 8 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #59 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 on
Docherty is a cool head in the heat of battle and I think we saw Pendlebury provide that for Collingwood and the goal he kicked was massive under real pressure. JSOS gives you options and you know you will get a contest from him..
We badly miss Docherty. He is a steadying influence and he does the clutch things that win and save games.

We miss Jack Silvagni, because he can do all sorts of the jobs.
Our 3 tall forwards are not the problem in themselves, although I was bitterly disappointed in Charlie tonight. He doesn't work hard enough when he doesn't have the ball. It was really obvious. And when he could have stood up, he was beaten in one on ones and the ball left our forward line too easily. The problem with our forward setup is that our smalls are not keeping the ball in and they're not being dangerous.
H played a great game, but his last kick into the forward line probably lost us the game. Had he been able to get his kick to advantage of one of our players, we would have won the game than and there. Instead, he turned it over and the ball went up the other end. Hell, if he'd bombed it and he scored a point, it might have been enough. But just giving it away was lethal.

One of the things that was really obvious was our lack of leg speed.
Another was that we didn't tag Nick Daicos. Smother Daicos and they lose that midfield drive.
Live Long and Prosper!