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Title: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 4: Carlton vs Gold Coast on the Gold Coast
Post by: crashlander on April 04, 2021, 11:26:46 am
With Witts coming off injured, the chance of us winning increased significantly. he usually plays very well against us. Bu, as we haven't played yet, and that we have already lost Jack Martin and Zac Fisher, we are already behind the eight ball.
Title: Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 4: Carlton vs Gold Coast on the Gold Coast
Post by: crashlander on April 04, 2021, 07:27:33 pm
At the moment we are still playing Gold Coast. This form is a very positive step for us. The question: can H kick straight?
Title: Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 4: Carlton vs Gold Coast on the Gold Coast
Post by: flyboy77 on April 04, 2021, 09:15:03 pm
Should win comfortably.

Our blokes woke up today - and will only improve...
Title: Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 4: Carlton vs Gold Coast on the Gold Coast
Post by: Gointocarlton on April 04, 2021, 09:33:06 pm
Should win comfortably.

Our blokes woke up today - and will only improve...
An absolute must.
Title: Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 4: Carlton vs Gold Coast on the Gold Coast
Post by: Thryleon on April 04, 2021, 11:27:52 pm
After a game like that, the danger for us is thinking we've won already
Title: Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 4: Carlton vs Gold Coast on the Gold Coast
Post by: Gointocarlton on April 05, 2021, 07:29:53 am
After a game like that, the danger for us is thinking we've won already
Thats where the coaching staff earn their money.
Title: Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 4: Carlton vs Gold Coast on the Gold Coast
Post by: cookie2 on April 05, 2021, 08:24:43 am
Should win comfortably.

Our blokes woke up today - and will only improve...

Gotta admire your faith and confidence FB.
Title: Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 4: Carlton vs Gold Coast on the Gold Coast
Post by: flyboy77 on April 05, 2021, 11:30:44 am
With Witts coming off injured, the chance of us winning increased significantly. he usually plays very well against us. Bu, as we haven't played yet, and that we have already lost Jack Martin and Zac Fisher, we are already behind the eight ball.

https://thewest.com.au/sport/afl/suns-to-lose-co-captain-witts-in-afl-c-2503127

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"It's not great," Dew said of Witts' prognosis.

"We are obviously not sure without a scan but it's going to be a number of weeks (sidelined).

"We will have to be a bit creative and work out where to from here."

Potential ruck replacement Zac Smith is still about two months away from returning from his knee injury while another tall, Sam Day, will also miss an extended period after injuring a knee last week.

Blues in a canter.

Their only remaining ruck option is a 20yo, zero gamer, who's 199cm and 85kg.

Good chance to let Levi get his knee sorted.

Guv for Levi, Stocker/Kennedy for Dow my 2 changes (Setters to play ressies)
Title: Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 4: Carlton vs Gold Coast on the Gold Coast
Post by: WASurfer on April 05, 2021, 06:06:52 pm
Still prefer McDonald to McGovern....especially as back up ruckman. And agree, Stocker for Dow.
Title: Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 4: Carlton vs Gold Coast on the Gold Coast
Post by: tonyo on April 06, 2021, 08:41:02 am
Anyone know when tickets for this will be sold?  I have flights booked, but would like to get into the ground - can't imagine anything approaching half-full.......
Title: Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 4: Carlton vs Gold Coast on the Gold Coast
Post by: Lods on April 06, 2021, 09:23:27 am
After a game like that, the danger for us is thinking we've won already

If this season has shown us anything it's if you don't turn up ready to play you could find yourself staring down the barrel of a pretty big catch-up.
Now in the past teams have been able to fight their way back into the contest from big deficits.
The problem is, with the exhausting way the game is being played at the moment, big leads are probably going to be much harder to peg back for tiring teams.
It's a problem that is likely to get worse as the season progresses and I reckon there will be some big margins.

The message from all that is we have to repeat what we've just done.
Pressure and intensity from the start.
Last week still has a few folks a little cautious...we need another solid performance to reinforce that we're really progressing in that aspect.
I think we're really good if we hit hard from the start and establish a superiority in terms of intensity.
I'm still not sure how we go the other way when real intensity comes in our direction....Freo were really poor in that department.
Title: Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 4: Carlton vs Gold Coast on the Gold Coast
Post by: tonyo on April 06, 2021, 09:36:02 am
One big plus is we played a lot of games at Metricon last year so it is not unfamiliar territory.

With a game like this, the key is sold start.  If we go into holiday mode and get behind, it will be very difficult to get back.

Witts being out is a plus, but there is much speculation about the value of a winning ruckman (see B.Grundy last Thursday...), so it is useful without being game-defining.
Title: Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 4: Carlton vs Gold Coast on the Gold Coast
Post by: LP on April 06, 2021, 09:38:45 am
This season is cherry-ripe for a coach with a horses for courses approach, it's the only way to maintain the intensity, as long as you have the cattle to rotate.
Title: Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 4: Carlton vs Gold Coast on the Gold Coast
Post by: rocky on April 06, 2021, 09:59:38 am
We are a big chance. Witts being out is a major, major plus for us.
Can't see it happening but Levi out for either McGovern or McDonald.
Stick with Dow. Did a couple of nice things on Sunday including a massive hit on someone (think they got a free kick?) I feel his confidence is building.
In a perfect world I'd "manage" Murphy out for a Stocker or a Kennedy or even a Durdin?
Hate to see it, but they'll probably bring Setterfield straight back in for Cottrell, which is WRONG.

Title: Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 4: Carlton vs Gold Coast on the Gold Coast
Post by: Baggers on April 06, 2021, 10:41:26 am
After a game like that, the danger for us is thinking we've won already

Exactly. And we have a history of doing just that. 1% less focus and commitment, and we'll be chasing clacker. Our focus should be to be more ferocious and for longer.

We take GCS lightly at our peril. In fact, our coaching group should be impressing upon the playing group that we must improve more. Too often sides pick up from where they left off... and we dropped in critical areas in half the third qtr and too much of the final quarter against Freo.

Title: Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 4: Carlton vs Gold Coast on the Gold Coast
Post by: flyboy77 on April 06, 2021, 11:07:29 am
Exactly. And we have a history of doing just that. 1% less focus and commitment, and we'll be chasing clacker. Our focus should be to be more ferocious and for longer.

We take GCS lightly at our peril. In fact, our coaching group should be impressing upon the playing group that we must improve more. Too often sides pick up from where they left off... and we dropped in critical areas in half the third qtr and too much of the final quarter against Freo.



It's all about maturity.

Are we mature enough to back up from the Freo game in terms of intensity and consistency of effort/output?

Let's hope so. We're not a young team any more and we're out of excuses.

It's a must win. Might get us into the 8?

Certainly think a guy like Williams (presuming fit to play) has much upside.

Ditto, the likes of young Parks and Cottrell (sp?). Even Paddy D....

Samo and Doc both had MUCH better games. The opposition seemed intent on stopping Saad, which freed up Doc.

The team looked far better balanced with a crop of hard at it guys - JSOS, Cottrell, Fogarty. And Crippa showing a bit of c%$# for the first time in a long time...

Even though JSOS missed a couple of sitters, his impact was noticeable. Looks to have gained  yard too?

Bett's experience up forward cannot be underestimated.

We have no one forward with the experience that Eddie has.....

Betts had few stats but was a constant gnat all game. Certainly did his job.

Blues by plenty.
Title: Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 4: Carlton vs Gold Coast on the Gold Coast
Post by: cookie2 on April 06, 2021, 11:10:19 am
After a game like that, the danger for us is thinking we've won already
This game will be a big test for us. We must back up that good win and do it in style.
Title: Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 4: Carlton vs Gold Coast on the Gold Coast
Post by: capcom on April 06, 2021, 12:24:41 pm
It is us who should intimidate them, not the other way 'round.  Do that, we win.

No room for failure.  Not worried either
Title: Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 4: Carlton vs Gold Coast on the Gold Coast
Post by: LP on April 06, 2021, 12:32:08 pm
GC are not as bad as people make out, become too complacent and we will get burnt.

Especially when teams look very different due to injury, sheepish coaches do not know how to deal with them and often get caught off-guard.

They look a bit like us over the last couple of years, they are playing 85% good footy and having 5 or 10 minute lapses that cost them the game. They surrendered a 4 or 5 goal lead against the Crows just before 1/2-time, then regained the lead twice in the second half to lose by 2 goals.
Title: Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 4: Carlton vs Gold Coast on the Gold Coast
Post by: WASurfer on April 06, 2021, 01:54:24 pm
Stocker in for Dow for me.

I hope we don't get tempted to bring McGovern straight in....done nothing for two years....one game in the VFL on managed minutes shouldn't be enough for him. Silvagni is offering plenty up forward at the moment with his marking and pressure....something McGovern does not much of.

If Casboult is to go out, I'd rather bring McDonald in...he's a better option as backup ruckman rather than risking McKay or Jones in there.
Title: Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 4: Carlton vs Gold Coast on the Gold Coast
Post by: cookie2 on April 06, 2021, 02:00:56 pm
Stocker in for Dow for me.

I hope we don't get tempted to bring McGovern straight in....done nothing for two years....one game in the VFL on managed minutes shouldn't be enough for him. Silvagni is offering plenty up forward at the moment with his marking and pressure....something McGovern does not much of.

If Casboult is to go out, I'd rather bring McDonald in...he's a better option as backup ruckman rather than risking McKay or Jones in there.

Generally agree but maybe Paddy deserves one more week? Line ball imo.
Title: Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 4: Carlton vs Gold Coast on the Gold Coast
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on April 06, 2021, 02:29:56 pm
Generally agree but maybe Paddy deserves one more week? Line ball imo.
Given its GC I'd be giving Dow another game, maybe if has an average game I'd be inclined to give him a break vs Port where its going to be harder and any errors highlighted more.
Title: Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 4: Carlton vs Gold Coast on the Gold Coast
Post by: WASurfer on April 06, 2021, 03:00:23 pm
Last chance for awhile for Dow I reckon then. We absolutely smashed Freo through the midfield and around the ground....our midfielders (Cripps, Walsh, Fogarty, Curnow etc) were prolific...except Dow. He just can't seem to get near it and still appears to lack some footy smarts at times. Even without Rowell, GC still have some quality players through the middle.

Good chance for Parks to back it up this weekend.....could be a good match up for Sexton who has torched us a few times. I liked the look of him on the weekend and could be a natural replacement for Marchbank who I reckon gets a line drawn through his name now. He'd need to show solid VFL form for at least 6 weeks without getting injured before an AFL call up.
Title: Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 4: Carlton vs Gold Coast on the Gold Coast
Post by: LP on April 06, 2021, 03:15:46 pm
Can't get a read on Dow, just do not know what is wrong with him, did he cop and injury in the last pre-season game because from that final siren his form evaporated?

Stage fright?
Title: Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 4: Carlton vs Gold Coast on the Gold Coast
Post by: tonyo on April 06, 2021, 03:17:04 pm
Generally agree but maybe Paddy deserves one more week? Line ball imo.

I thought Paddy was reasonable and put in on Sunday, even though he didn't get the ball much.  He could be (crosses fingers...) one of these 'slow burn' players who needs experience and consistent game time to elevate himself to the next level, but in the end becomes an absolute gem.  If we drop him every time he doesn't get 20 touches, it will be back to the start.  Given our midfield is a work in progress, I would prefer to see him have another 4-5 games at least - if he hasn't progressed by then, at least we will know.

Going back a ways, as a young kid, I can remember watching Bruce Doull play for his first three years and the general consensus among those sitting around me at the time was that he was a very average performer.  Then he moved from #4 to #11 (out of a sense of 'I'm not worthy') and the rest is history.  Maybe Paddy should cash in his #2 (which must weigh very heavily on his back) and find a non-descript number like #38..... 
Title: Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 4: Carlton vs Gold Coast on the Gold Coast
Post by: capcom on April 06, 2021, 03:34:45 pm
Going back a ways, as a young kid, I can remember watching Bruce Doull play for his first three years and the general consensus among those sitting around me at the time was that he was a very average performer.  Then he moved from #4 to #11 (out of a sense of 'I'm not worthy') and the rest is history. 

I heard it from a senior committee man at the time that he was given #11, didn't want it due to comparisons to John Goold, played a ripper next game in that jumper and it stayed.

Title: Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 4: Carlton vs Gold Coast on the Gold Coast
Post by: cookie2 on April 06, 2021, 03:35:52 pm
@ Tonyo

Hear what you say. I'm really torn with Paddy. We certainly don't want to write him off too early and some other club turns him into a star or even just a good solid and reliable player. Worse still he drifts off into a state league.
Title: Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 4: Carlton vs Gold Coast on the Gold Coast
Post by: WASurfer on April 06, 2021, 04:00:55 pm
Into his 4th season now....it's pretty cut throat so the club will have to decide at some point whether he's going to make it. Fogarty has leapfrogged him already in just his 3rd game for the club.
Title: Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 4: Carlton vs Gold Coast on the Gold Coast
Post by: cookie2 on April 06, 2021, 04:08:20 pm
Yep, this must be his make or break year.
Title: Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 4: Carlton vs Gold Coast on the Gold Coast
Post by: tonyo on April 06, 2021, 04:09:56 pm
True, albeit Season 3 was a total wipe off.  Prior to one pre-season game and the first three this year, he hasn't played competitive footy at any level for over 18 months.  We will know by the end of this season if he is a keeper.

I just hate the thought that someone like Clarkson or Buckley will turn him into a gun.

Simple fact is, CFC does still not know how to develop young players.  It's really irritating to see the young Swans, Bombers, Demons doing such great things in their first few games, while so many of our high draft picks (other than Walsh) scratch around for 2 or 3 years and inevitably end up getting delisted and playing for Port Melbourne or Williamstown.
Title: Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 4: Carlton vs Gold Coast on the Gold Coast
Post by: WASurfer on April 06, 2021, 04:12:26 pm
Been saying that for years Tonyo.....Walsh/Weitering aside, there's not too many that have come on. McKay is only just starting to show us what he's capable of. Cunningham is another one who teases with an odd burst or good game here and there and then disappears just as quickly, or gets injured.
Title: Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 4: Carlton vs Gold Coast on the Gold Coast
Post by: PaulP on April 06, 2021, 04:34:37 pm
True, albeit Season 3 was a total wipe off.  Prior to one pre-season game and the first three this year, he hasn't played competitive footy at any level for over 18 months.  We will know by the end of this season if he is a keeper.

I just hate the thought that someone like Clarkson or Buckley will turn him into a gun.

Simple fact is, CFC does still not know how to develop young players.  It's really irritating to see the young Swans, Bombers, Demons doing such great things in their first few games, while so many of our high draft picks (other than Walsh) scratch around for 2 or 3 years and inevitably end up getting delisted and playing for Port Melbourne or Williamstown.

You need a few pieces of the puzzle in place for this to happen. Historically, I assume the club didn't need to develop anything because they just went on a shopping spree and bought the best as required. The Hawks have what is colloquially known as the Hawthorn Apprenticeship. I think the Cats have similar. The kids come in and play in the 2's for a few years learning the craft and getting up to AFL standard. But you need a proper 2nd's team to do this, which we haven't had. You also need a proper 1st's team, which we unfortunately also haven't had. I think when SOS came in, he decided that the way forward was the GWS model, whereby you recruit a large number of kids as quickly as possible, and get them to grow together, which is a different approach. I guess, depending on your sense of timing, it's either a failure or a work in progress.

Oh well.
Title: Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 4: Carlton vs Gold Coast on the Gold Coast
Post by: LoveNavy on April 06, 2021, 05:09:40 pm
Witts is definitely out. Unfortunately, he's torn his ACL.

That should give us some advantage at stoppages. Although we need to show the same contested spirit because GC have a solid mf. They made WC accountable for much of the game.
Title: Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 4: Carlton vs Gold Coast on the Gold Coast
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on April 06, 2021, 05:17:57 pm
We should win comfortably, no Witts is a huge bonus, he usually wins his position and impacts the game.
GC are also not overly tall down back and have other key players like Rowell and Day missing.
It might be more of a grind since they run a few taggers like Greenwood and Bowes who have had their moments on Cripps and they are playing on their home deck but I think if we are a serious team then we should account for them by 4-5 goals given their injuries and lack of size in important positions.
Its an important game to back up with a win given we have Port the following week who are going to have some fresh troops back and we dont want be 1-4 after 5 rounds...
Title: Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 4: Carlton vs Gold Coast on the Gold Coast
Post by: flyboy77 on April 06, 2021, 05:20:10 pm
Witts is definitely out. Unfortunately, he's torn his ACL.

That should give us some advantage at stoppages. Although we need to show the same contested spirit because GC have a solid mf. They made WC accountable for much if the game.

The guy (Burgess) who rucked once Witts went off is 191cm and 82kg.

Contrast Pitto at 202cm and 105kg.

Title: Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 4: Carlton vs Gold Coast on the Gold Coast
Post by: flyboy77 on April 06, 2021, 05:23:11 pm
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/04/06/suns-confirm-shocking-jarrod-witts-injury/
Title: Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 4: Carlton vs Gold Coast on the Gold Coast
Post by: ianh on April 06, 2021, 08:23:43 pm
I thought Paddy was reasonable and put in on Sunday, even though he didn't get the ball much.  He could be (crosses fingers...) one of these 'slow burn' players who needs experience and consistent game time to elevate himself to the next level, but in the end becomes an absolute gem.  If we drop him every time he doesn't get 20 touches, it will be back to the start.  Given our midfield is a work in progress, I would prefer to see him have another 4-5 games at least - if he hasn't progressed by then, at least we will know.

Going back a ways, as a young kid, I can remember watching Bruce Doull play for his first three years and the general consensus among those sitting around me at the time was that he was a very average performer.  Then he moved from #4 to #11 (out of a sense of 'I'm not worthy') and the rest is history.  Maybe Paddy should cash in his #2 (which must weigh very heavily on his back) and find a non-descript number like #38..... 

As akid I wrote to the club complaining that Goold's number had been given to someone who hadn't earned it ... I think he probably did eventually.  Years later I had some professional dealings with Ragsy - a true gentleman. 
Title: Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 4: Carlton vs Gold Coast on the Gold Coast
Post by: ianh on April 06, 2021, 08:24:40 pm
The guy (Burgess) who rucked once Witts went off is 191cm and 82kg.

Contrast Pitto at 202cm and 105kg.

They don't have a single fit ruckman so Pitto certainly has his chance to shine.


Title: Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 4: Carlton vs Gold Coast on the Gold Coast
Post by: kruddler on April 06, 2021, 09:05:22 pm
I've already pointed out how Pittonets ruck work is elite.

I pointed out how his game against Grundy was on a par, if not better, despite losing the hitouts by 30 (which translated to a handful only of hitouts to advantage....and less clearances by comparison)

Combined those 2 up against a 'ruck' from GC who doesn't know how to ruck and Pittonet could break an AFL record of hitouts to advantage!

Of course, if i was GC i would simply try and shark Pittonets tap and use their 'ruck' in a Grigg-style 4th midfield to negate clearances.
Title: Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 4: Carlton vs Gold Coast on the Gold Coast
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on April 06, 2021, 09:19:55 pm
I've already pointed out how Pittonets ruck work is elite.

I pointed out how his game against Grundy was on a par, if not better, despite losing the hitouts by 30 (which translated to a handful only of hitouts to advantage....and less clearances by comparison)

Combined those 2 up against a 'ruck' from GC who doesn't know how to ruck and Pittonet could break an AFL record of hitouts to advantage!

Of course, if i was GC i would simply try and shark Pittonets tap and use their 'ruck' in a Grigg-style 4th midfield to negate clearances.
Think thats what they will do and use Burgess as another tall mid and try and get him to work Pittonet over by running him around.
King will probably do the ruck work forward....
Title: Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 4: Carlton vs Gold Coast on the Gold Coast
Post by: chalkybill on April 06, 2021, 09:20:34 pm
Last chance for awhile for Dow I reckon then. We absolutely smashed Freo through the midfield and around the ground....our midfielders (Cripps, Walsh, Fogarty, Curnow etc) were prolific...except Dow. He just can't seem to get near it and still appears to lack some footy smarts at times.

I watched the replay and noticed a number of times team-mates handballed to Dow when he was absolutely covered.  Despite a few self errors I would like to see him given a few more games.
Title: Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 4: Carlton vs Gold Coast on the Gold Coast
Post by: capcom on April 06, 2021, 09:30:48 pm
I said early last year that Pittonet would prove to be a good pickup.  The guy's even better than that.

And I reckon he likes wearing the navy blue.
Title: Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 4: Carlton vs Gold Coast on the Gold Coast
Post by: bmaurizio on April 06, 2021, 10:13:27 pm
Let’s enjoy the wining feeling whilst it last ,  future games may not be so winnable.
Title: Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 4: Carlton vs Gold Coast on the Gold Coast
Post by: Baggers on April 07, 2021, 08:00:57 am
I watched the replay and noticed a number of times team-mates handballed to Dow when he was absolutely covered.  Despite a few self errors I would like to see him given a few more games.

The one important thing I noticed about Dow's game on Sunday was that he had a red hot go... and blokes who persist with that attitude can turn around their fortunes, let's give him the chance to do just that - but the clock is ticking.
Title: Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 4: Carlton vs Gold Coast on the Gold Coast
Post by: flyboy77 on April 07, 2021, 08:20:17 am
The one important thing I noticed about Dow's game on Sunday was that he had a red hot go... and blokes who persist with that attitude can turn around their fortunes, let's give him the chance to do just that - but the clock is ticking.

Yet we chopped LOB who had similar numbers....

Surely you reward the guys in the 2s who are playing consistently well?

11 disposals, 3 tackles, 33 AFL fantasy points.....

We don't need to carry guys in the 1s who aren't performing. He should earn a spot like everyone else.

3 games and he appears to be going backwards.
Title: Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 4: Carlton vs Gold Coast on the Gold Coast
Post by: Thryleon on April 07, 2021, 10:35:20 am
I wouldnt worry about stats to make a call on Dow.  Its about whether or not he is showing the aptituted and combatitive attitude to get out there and compete.

we often moan about our players and thier lack of ability to learn.  They wont learn bouncing between firsts and seconds.  Only change Id consider for this one, is Levi out macdonald in and even then i think we should twice about it, because Levi has started ironing blokes out and we dont have many that have the size to do that.
Title: Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 4: Carlton vs Gold Coast on the Gold Coast
Post by: Baggers on April 07, 2021, 04:58:53 pm
Yet we chopped LOB who had similar numbers....

Surely you reward the guys in the 2s who are playing consistently well?

11 disposals, 3 tackles, 33 AFL fantasy points.....

We don't need to carry guys in the 1s who aren't performing. He should earn a spot like everyone else.

3 games and he appears to be going backwards.

A big difference between LOB and Dow is that Dow was having a red hot go, ie, threw his body into contests and needs a little more time to get used to that. LOB, from what I could see, failed to really impose himself into contests.
Title: Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 4: Carlton vs Gold Coast on the Gold Coast
Post by: Gointocarlton on April 07, 2021, 05:00:16 pm
A big difference between LOB and Dow is that Dow was having a red hot go, ie, threw his body into contests and needs a little more time to get used to that. LOB, from what I could see, failed to really impose himself into contests.
And that is exactly what the coaches have been trying to drum into him for years and it just won't sink in.
Title: Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 4: Carlton vs Gold Coast on the Gold Coast
Post by: bratblue on April 07, 2021, 05:10:26 pm
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/04/06/suns-confirm-shocking-jarrod-witts-injury/

Wittless GC now.
Title: Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 4: Carlton vs Gold Coast on the Gold Coast
Post by: WASurfer on April 08, 2021, 05:25:11 pm
Saad in doubt for this weekend!!
Title: Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 4: Carlton vs Gold Coast on the Gold Coast
Post by: Gointocarlton on April 08, 2021, 06:45:14 pm
Saad in doubt for this weekend!!
He got a knock late in the game.
Title: Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 4: Carlton vs Gold Coast on the Gold Coast
Post by: WASurfer on April 08, 2021, 07:01:02 pm
Hopefully he gets up....probably a good match up for Rankine? If not, then time for Stocker to get another crack at it IMO.
Title: Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 4: Carlton vs Gold Coast on the Gold Coast
Post by: jeza on April 08, 2021, 09:19:50 pm
I doubt Saad will play. Looked to be hobbling at training jogging laps.
Title: Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 4: Carlton vs Gold Coast on the Gold Coast
Post by: crashlander on April 09, 2021, 10:28:20 am
I doubt Saad will play. Looked to be hobbling at training jogging laps.
Bad news for us, but hopefully it will give an opportunity to someone who grabs it and runs with it.
Title: Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 4: Carlton vs Gold Coast on the Gold Coast
Post by: blueday on April 09, 2021, 12:35:26 pm
FFS injury management at our club is a joke! Williams, Saad, Newman, Marchbank, Fischer, Martin, Cunningham, Curnow, DeKoning, Kemp, Carrol and I'm sure I am missing some. This has been the case for years, why do we have so many injuries and an ongoing basis. Not many form the above list would miss our best 22, we just cant expect to win if we cannot get close to our best team on the park.
Title: Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 4: Carlton vs Gold Coast on the Gold Coast
Post by: LP on April 09, 2021, 12:50:47 pm
FFS injury management at our club is a joke! 
 No club can "manage" collision injuries.
Title: Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 4: Carlton vs Gold Coast on the Gold Coast
Post by: jeza on April 09, 2021, 01:03:33 pm
I don't think we managed Curnow's injury at all well.

Did no favours to Gov either
Title: Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 4: Carlton vs Gold Coast on the Gold Coast
Post by: LP on April 09, 2021, 01:16:27 pm
I don't think we managed Curnow's injury at all well.

Did no favours to Gov either
McGovern, all the talent in the world, ...........  just not fit!

btw., on McGovern, fitness is not always about being lean, I think often too many fans associate some fatness with unfitness, although lean and fit often go hand in hand you can still be fit and bulky, Dew, Diesel, Ricciuto and Swan are prime examples. I doubt McGovern will ever be lean fit, and trying to make him lean fit might just do him harm!
Title: Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 4: Carlton vs Gold Coast on the Gold Coast
Post by: Gointocarlton on April 09, 2021, 01:31:20 pm
McGovern, all the talent in the world, ...........  just not fit!

btw., on McGovern, fitness is not always about being lean, I think often too many fans associate some fatness with unfitness, although lean and fit often go hand in hand you can still be fit and bulky, Dew, Diesel, Ricciuto and Swan are prime examples. I doubt McGovern will ever be lean fit, and trying to make him lean fit might just do him harm!

Stuey Dew fit or fat? He tipped the scales at around 120 kegs on GF day 2008 (and he had leaned down). Fit enough for short damaging burts but was far from an endurance beast.
Title: Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 4: Carlton vs Gold Coast on the Gold Coast
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on April 09, 2021, 01:43:33 pm
McGovern, all the talent in the world, ...........  just not fit!

btw., on McGovern, fitness is not always about being lean, I think often too many fans associate some fatness with unfitness, although lean and fit often go hand in hand you can still be fit and bulky, Dew, Diesel, Ricciuto and Swan are prime examples. I doubt McGovern will ever be lean fit, and trying to make him lean fit might just do him harm!

Swan was under rated fitness wise, did weights with Tarrant and was the best  keg for keg lifter at the club and that includes Tarrant and Leigh Brown who could really lift. The Buddha belly was a comical theme with Swan but as opponents will tell you he ran all day and was hard to keep with....his ungainly running style and off field lifestyle created a poor image but winning a brownlow as a elusive mid takes a level of fitness.
Title: Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 4: Carlton vs Gold Coast on the Gold Coast
Post by: laj on April 09, 2021, 06:35:09 pm
Team's in:

In: Setterfield
Out: Williams (inj)

McDonald is out injured too so he won't be the sub.
Title: Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 4: Carlton vs Gold Coast on the Gold Coast
Post by: laj on April 09, 2021, 06:37:34 pm
Stuey Dew fit or fat? He tipped the scales at around 120 kegs on GF day 2008 (and he had leaned down). Fit enough for short damaging bursts but was far from an endurance beast.

And damaging he was in a short burst in the 2008 GF. That 5 minutes won the game.
Title: Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 4: Carlton vs Gold Coast on the Gold Coast
Post by: Baggers on April 09, 2021, 06:39:02 pm
Team's in:

In: Setterfield
Out: Williams (inj)

McDonald is out injured too so he won't be the sub.

Astonished that an out of form Casboult keeps his spot... so much for the claims from the club that spots have to be 'earned'.  ::)
Title: Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 4: Carlton vs Gold Coast on the Gold Coast
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on April 09, 2021, 06:39:53 pm
Team's in:

In: Setterfield
Out: Williams (inj)

McDonald is out injured too so he won't be the sub.
Saad must be doubtful too....was very confident but if Saad misses its going to be a lot tougher.
I'll go Williamson in for Saad...
Title: Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 4: Carlton vs Gold Coast on the Gold Coast
Post by: LP on April 09, 2021, 06:40:47 pm
Astonished that an out of form Casboult keeps his spot... so much for the claims from the club that spots have to be 'earned'.  ::)
We've no rucks @Baggers , and Levi started to turn things around last week, all be it against a weak opponent.
Title: Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 4: Carlton vs Gold Coast on the Gold Coast
Post by: enz on April 09, 2021, 06:44:19 pm
I went to open training this afternoon and Saad looked proppy, Kennedy and Williamson travelled.
Title: Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 4: Carlton vs Gold Coast on the Gold Coast
Post by: LP on April 09, 2021, 06:45:16 pm
You watch this weekend if Pittonet isn't on his A+-Game hitting it down our blokes throats, the GC will turn the small mobile ruck gig into a match winner, they'll run and spread in a way we can compete with, and once they've got any head start advantage at all there will be no stopping them from 5m behind!

We need Pittonet to be seriously dominant.
Title: Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 4: Carlton vs Gold Coast on the Gold Coast
Post by: cookie2 on April 09, 2021, 06:48:26 pm
I went to open training this afternoon and Saad looked proppy, Kennedy and Williamson travelled.

Bummer. Not confident if Williams and Saad both out.
Title: Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 4: Carlton vs Gold Coast on the Gold Coast
Post by: DJC on April 09, 2021, 06:49:12 pm
We've no rucks @Baggers , and Levi started to turn things around last week, all be it against a weak opponent.

What do you mean LP? We could play Gov as a ruck/forward  ;)

I don't think Casboult has been anywhere near as bad as some folk seem to think.  He must be doing what the coach wants and I thought he was OK against Fremantle. Unless he puts in an absolute shocker, I reckon he will be in the 22 at least until De Koning is challenging for a spot.

How did McDonald get injured?  I know that he played in the VFL game but wasn't called on as the sub.  Injured at training or injured sub?
Title: Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 4: Carlton vs Gold Coast on the Gold Coast
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on April 09, 2021, 06:53:00 pm
We've no rucks @Baggers , and Levi started to turn things around last week, all be it against a weak opponent.
Agree, Need to keep Levi in to make it tough for GC to match our talls, dont want Harry double teamed by Collins/Ballard and we need to give Pittonet decent support not end up with a makeshift ruck for parts of the game.
Title: Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 4: Carlton vs Gold Coast on the Gold Coast
Post by: laj on April 09, 2021, 06:57:07 pm
You watch this weekend if Pittonet isn't on his A+-Game hitting it down our blokes throats, the GC will turn the small mobile ruck gig into a match winner, they'll run and spread in a way we can compete with, and once they've got any head start advantage at all there will be no stopping them from 5m behind!

We need Pittonet to be seriously dominant.

When you know someone is going to dominate the ruck the side often loses the clearances as it's so predictable as to who will win the tap out. Happened to Sandilands all the time.
Title: Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 4: Carlton vs Gold Coast on the Gold Coast
Post by: LP on April 09, 2021, 08:50:54 pm
What do you mean LP? We could play Gov as a ruck/forward  ;)
He did that as a kid at the Crows, and was successful as a small ruck option, he has the leap and the reach with Inspector Gadget arms, but that stuff works only when a player is in strong form and confident and healthy.

But the rules were different then, I'm not sure a small ruck can be successful now.
Title: Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 4: Carlton vs Gold Coast on the Gold Coast
Post by: northernblue on April 09, 2021, 10:51:28 pm
The pic I saw of McGov in the practice game last week he’s certainly lean
Title: Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 4: Carlton vs Gold Coast on the Gold Coast
Post by: Swan43 on April 10, 2021, 12:25:25 am
Agree, Need to keep Levi in to make it tough for GC to match our talls, dont want Harry double teamed by Collins/Ballard and we need to give Pittonet decent support not end up with a makeshift ruck for parts of the game.
Perhaps best to give Meat a chop-out from criticism just now. He was barely able to walk after the Richmond game and is under duress clearly since but fronts up every time. How that affects his hands mystifies me but likely a confidence thing. He hurts and bleeds for us. Nuf said.
Title: Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 4: Carlton vs Gold Coast on the Gold Coast
Post by: Gointocarlton on April 10, 2021, 07:00:43 am
Astonished that an out of form Casboult keeps his spot... so much for the claims from the club that spots have to be 'earned'.  ::)
Maybe they meant earned based on tenure ;D
Title: Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 4: Carlton vs Gold Coast on the Gold Coast
Post by: Gointocarlton on April 10, 2021, 07:03:14 am
Perhaps best to give Meat a chop-out from criticism just now. He was barely able to walk after the Richmond game and is under duress clearly since but fronts up every time. How that affects his hands mystifies me but likely a confidence thing. He hurts and bleeds for us. Nuf said.
This is true, well said.
Title: Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 4: Carlton vs Gold Coast on the Gold Coast
Post by: Gointocarlton on April 10, 2021, 07:28:05 am
Lose this one and it will be nothing short of embarrassing.
Title: Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 4: Carlton vs Gold Coast on the Gold Coast
Post by: Baggers on April 10, 2021, 07:53:45 am
Perhaps best to give Meat a chop-out from criticism just now. He was barely able to walk after the Richmond game and is under duress clearly since but fronts up every time. How that affects his hands mystifies me but likely a confidence thing. He hurts and bleeds for us. Nuf said.

Without wanting to seem callous, but, if he's that injured why the hell is he playing? It's obviously affecting his contribution - which can only also knock his confidence for six. Surely it'd be better for him to have time off to heal any injury? I have no doubts that Meat is blue through and through but that's not the issue... the issue is can he contribute to a level that helps the team and his own confidence? I realise the most logical argument against what I am saying is that there aint too many 200cm blokes in our side who can also go into the ruck... but is the trade off working? Is it costing us in other ways?
Title: Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 4: Carlton vs Gold Coast on the Gold Coast
Post by: kruddler on April 10, 2021, 09:22:16 am
You watch this weekend if Pittonet isn't on his A+-Game hitting it down our blokes throats, the GC will turn the small mobile ruck gig into a match winner, they'll run and spread in a way we can compete with, and once they've got any head start advantage at all there will be no stopping them from 5m behind!

We need Pittonet to be seriously dominant.

Dominant and/or unpredictable to the opposition.

IMO, 1 in every 5 (roughly) centre bounces he should simply punch the ball to a specific spot that our mids are aware of and we get the jump on the opposition mids heading there. That will force them to hold back a bit and cover a wider area, rather than simply the centre circle.
Title: Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 4: Carlton vs Gold Coast on the Gold Coast
Post by: Thryleon on April 10, 2021, 10:40:19 am
Without wanting to seem callous, but, if he's that injured why the hell is he playing? It's obviously affecting his contribution - which can only also knock his confidence for six. Surely it'd be better for him to have time off to heal any injury? I have no doubts that Meat is blue through and through but that's not the issue... the issue is can he contribute to a level that helps the team and his own confidence? I realise the most logical argument against what I am saying is that there aint too many 200cm blokes in our side who can also go into the ruck... but is the trade off working? Is it costing us in other ways?

I would have played omac in his stead last week.  Ironically we are short talks to drop him and if his output is poor but still frees up Harry its a win.

Kennedy should be next in.  A big bodied medium lead up forward is almost as good a decoy.
Title: Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 4: Carlton vs Gold Coast on the Gold Coast
Post by: Gointocarlton on April 10, 2021, 11:49:21 am
Went to my Woolies the morning, many of the workers had their Carlton jumpers on, first time Ive seen this there. I'm scared, superstitious much?
Title: Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 4: Carlton vs Gold Coast on the Gold Coast
Post by: spf on April 10, 2021, 12:26:56 pm
Dominant and/or unpredictable to the opposition.

IMO, 1 in every 5 (roughly) centre bounces he should simply punch the ball to a specific spot that our mids are aware of and we get the jump on the opposition mids heading there. That will force them to hold back a bit and cover a wider area, rather than simply the centre circle.

Worked for Clarke Keating in those grand finals.
Title: Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 4: Carlton vs Gold Coast on the Gold Coast
Post by: capcom on April 10, 2021, 12:29:11 pm
Black cats, open umbrellas in your place, walk under ladders much, break a mirror GTC?
Title: Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 4: Carlton vs Gold Coast on the Gold Coast
Post by: kruddler on April 10, 2021, 06:13:05 pm
Worked for Clarke Keating in those grand finals.

Works for Bree Moody in the AFLW too.

Its a genuine tactic that is largely ignored in AFL because their is not quite the dominance you could get at other levels.

However, if there was ever a week to use it, this is it.
Title: Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 4: Carlton vs Gold Coast on the Gold Coast
Post by: WASurfer on April 10, 2021, 06:13:39 pm
If Saad goes out I'd pick Kennedy before Williamson....

If that's the case, that's an injury list of Martin, Fisher, Saad, Williams, Curnow, Newman, TDK.....that's 7 who are arguably in the best 22. Throw in McGovern and Marchbank coming back from injuries....and Kemp. >:(
Title: Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 4: Carlton vs Gold Coast on the Gold Coast
Post by: shawny on April 10, 2021, 06:27:22 pm
I was just told Marchbank has done a serious injury in the 2s.
Apparently leg just collapsed in a marking contest.
Word is an ACL or even possibly an Achilles.
Feel sorry for him poor blokes body just take take it.
I reckon this may be it and may not see him again.
Title: Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 4: Carlton vs Gold Coast on the Gold Coast
Post by: kruddler on April 10, 2021, 06:28:33 pm
I was just told Marchbank has done a serious injury in the 2s.
Apparently leg just collapsed in a marking contest.
Word is an ACL or even possibly an Achilles.
Feel sorry for him poor blokes body just take take it.
I reckon this may be it and may not see him again.

FFS, enough is enough.
I love the bloke, but we cannot afford his injury bills any more.
Send him packing, pick him for our VFL squad and once he is fit enough, redraft him.
Title: Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 4: Carlton vs Gold Coast on the Gold Coast
Post by: laj on April 10, 2021, 06:34:41 pm
Black cats, open umbrellas in your place, walk under ladders much, break a mirror GTC?

Marchbank did. Looks like he did an ACL in the Reserves today.