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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: JLT game 3
Either way, we won't know.

Just like we don't know that Richardson may have made Ratten look good, and I have little doubt in my mind that in 2012, the group was that fractured Ratten couldn't have stayed.

Had we appointed Richo back then we could be talking differently,  but one thing we didn't do was our due diligence with any appointment going back to Wayne Brittain which sums up why it's taking us so long.

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Ladies Lounge / Re: AFLW Round 5: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
I thought of the "ageist" angle but decided not to bring it up.  However, I don't really have an issue with encouraging young folk.

Perhaps there should be a "waning star" award to square the ledger ;)

It's probably going to be the equivalent of the brownlow.   Young folk tend to be a bit more inconsistent but brilliant at their best whilst older players tend to keep on keeping on.

For reference kade Simpson.
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Ladies Lounge / Re: AFLW Round 5: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Forgive me for thinking this is quite stupid, but arent they all rising stars??

Its the inaugural season and in the eyes of Joe Average supporter who is only being exposed to proffesional womens AFL footy recently, all of them are rising stars.



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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: JLT game 3
Alex Silvagni and Simon White will give our team similar.

Similar size, and similar ability.

If his name wasn't Silvagni, he may not have even gotten the opportunity.

He will provide valuable experience to a young VFL side, and if required to play in the seniors, he will perform his role to the best of his ability, but lets not pretend that he is going to be a super valuable commodity.

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Ladies Lounge / Re: AFLW injuries
Im no expert, but I think that its all relative.  Are we seeing more injuries because of the demand on the body??

Or, are we seeing it simply because we are exposed to it now?

The incidence of injury at amateur level would never have been public domain knowledge in the past, and whilst I concede that the demands on the bodies have increased, its relative.  The entire competition are doing the same sort of things.  Are we seeing this widespread?  Is it just a bit of bad luck on behalf of the players who have suffered the injuries??

Lets not forget that we picked up a girl who was coming off a reconstruction which is the only reason she didnt end up in the draft.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Pick your 22 for Rounds 1 and 12
The reason Carlton have been a struggling football club for the last 20 years, is because we look too much at what blokes don't do, rather than what they can and will do.

There is almost nothing wrong with Rowe's game.  He has a role, he plays it week in and out to the best of his abilities.

He doesn't get a game because there isnt a better alternative.  He beat out and out lasted Jamison who's body let him down, for the last few years.  He has battled adversity to get to where he is now.  Went from Sydney to Norwood and took the long hard road back to AFL footy.

Rowe will be superceded in time.  Not because he is found wanting, but someone will beat him out of the side, and there is no shame in that, but he will make players earn that spot irrespective of relative quality.  more talented players have come through Carlton and been found wanting, and its about time we celebrate attitude over ability because thats the only way we are going to get anywhere as a footy club.

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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Looking for a Grizzly.
Ben is the more aggressive brother but I did see Harry engage with Webster and immediately thought thats good for the future ...our list is fairly devoid of mongrel..however I like the look of Charlie Curnow though, seems cheeky and happy to stick up for himself...

The draftees from that year all seem to have "spunk" (for lack of another word).

Who could forget Weitering in his debut turning to Jack Riewoldt and doing the thumb and forefinger "only missed by a little bit" when he sprayed one of his shots out on the full??

Jack SOS, telling Andrew Walker that he was wearing his number as a what 6 year old??  Now he's wearing it.

Harry Mckay's fightback against the Aints this past weekend is another show.

Cunningham calmly slotting the goal from training where everyone was round him giving him a ribbing at PP during the pre season last year shows that he has the ability to wear the attitude.

I like it.  Players who have character usually show it more frequently on field.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading)
That's the problem though with searching on the internet.
While mainstream sources have a pretty high profile in terms of their bias you really don't know where the majority of material is coming from.
That then requires a further search to determine bias...and our own bias comes into play because we favour material that supports our opinion.

Obscure links and sources can be found to counter most arguments.
Determining their legitimacy, independence or balance is often a difficult task.

The good thing about the internet is that it becomes easier to background check.

The problem that we have with studying history of any kind is the lack of credible first hand sources.

We have more than ever before, it might make things time consuming, but I like to prefer as reading a range of different views, knowing that almost all of them will be written with one perspective in mind, and almost totally ignoring other perspectives.

Why do I know this??

High school taught me, that if you right something, you need to find a stance, back up that stance, and rebutt opposing stances, and that sitting on the fence becomes "painful" to argue.

Therefore, anyone arguing too heavily one way, has bias and its worth reading the opposing view point simply for a difference perspective.

It might sound a bit tin foil hat worthy, but if you read long enough, you will see enough different perspectives of any event to weed out what is generally happening.
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Ladies Lounge / Re: AFLW Round 5: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
I'm going to repeat what I have stated about this rule change in the past:

This will be one of those rules that gets over umpired initially and after about 4 weeks will be forgotten all about.

The tipping point will come when teams stop playing with ruckmen altogether at boundary throw ins.  We were fairly close to it on saturday when Korcheck arrived late to a ruck contest, and the umpire asked us to nominate a ruck.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: The Hard Road To The Premiership
At the end of the day, those tempering their expectations are simply making a case that we need time.

That means, less pressure on the club, less pressure on the players, less pressure on the coaches, and more time to figure it all out.

We might see snippets this season.  Some more green shoots.  Some will grow quite quickly, others will take some time.

It happens.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: JLT Game 2
Plenty of opportunities for some 'green shoots' to sprout in this game. I look forward to seeing which of our young guys take their opportunity!!

If they don't sprout overnight that doesn't mean they are worm food and need to be turned back into the soil straight away.

Sometimes, they need time to sprout and its best we understand that this season, because it will be how things will go for our footy club this season.