I agree with everything you’ve said. I have to bite my tongue whenever posters on here or anyone in the media says “the talent is there ...”.
Is it? I’ve heard it so much i’m starting to think there’s something wrong with my eyes or I know nothing about football despite having attended roughly 1,000 Carlton games over 50 years.
I can only go by my opinion, and once again I believe the talent is genuinely there, we are only seeing it for bits and pieces of the game.
At the end of this season, I am going to show a table of our players average time on ground percentage (some of which will be thrown out by mid game injury) but I think we are going to find that we have a large number of players spending a lot of time on the ground at advanced ages, and the younger players spending significantly less time on ground.
Other answers : - coaches play follow the leader and just copy each other - as per Nathan Buckley's comments last season (earlier this season?) his possession don't usually hurt - Hawthorn has more damaging players than him, and you can't tag everybody - all of the above
Yep
These days they look at metres gained and score involvements.
There is another factor. Teams that are man oriented tend to get hurt, because opposition teams can push them into situations they don't like being.
i.e. Tag Mitchell, he simply extracts himself from a position of influence, and out to no mans land where his opponent (Ed) follows him. As a result, you end up with Isaac Smith going into that hole instead and being just as damaging.
I have a different theory on why they don't tag him. I think that Hawthorn end up in a worse overall team performance when he gets more of it.
We have to do something. I accepted we wouldn’t be finalists this year, but over three years skills have gone backwards, our game plan has been proven time and time again to have gaping flaws but we stick with it, our injured list is huge, and players under perform each week with a lack of intensity. Injuries don’t account for all of this (ok maybe the being injured bit) There have to be some coaching changes in the post season.
That is the exact wrong reason to do something.
We sack coaches more because "we have to do something" rather than knowing what to do.
Thats the best way to ensure failure.
Doing something for the sake of doing something.
You end up not knowing what you have done, because every time you "do something" you end up with a result you didn't intend.
Ex Port (Played 3 games, kicked 1 goal) and is a great size at 188 and 86 kg (wiki). Turns 22 shortly.
Looks like the type of bloke who was cut due to lack of opportunity rather than lack of ability.
I also like Sam Fisher too, but he is a bit small. Still whenever I have seen both these guys I have been impressed by their ability to make good decisions and dispose of the ball under fire.
I refuse to blame Bolton for this predicament, although his dogmatic, generic coaching shtick is wearing thin. The players are equally culpable. Effort, application and execution of basic skills, nothing beyond them in those demands.
Every coach would be in the same boat.
He was on a hiding to nothing from the get go.
Anyone who is critical of the coach needs to examine their heads.
Bolton has signed onto a club that had the potential to ruin his reputation as a coach from the get go, and has had to suffer through us trading out bonafide AFL players each and every trade and draft period only to see them replaced with guys on the delist pile from other clubs whilst putting his energy into playing young draftees and some GWS retreads who are yet to cement themselves as AFL players.
Whilst doing so he's been positive, he's sticking to the theme, he has conducted himself with decorum and continues to get the blokes out there every week attempting to do something positive.
Rewind to season 2015. we finished dead last and despite how bad this season has been that season was so much worse because we weren't playing a bunch of kids but we had similar continuity problems but our issues then were that blokes simply were better than what they were giving us but weren't trying or were poorly mused. Not to mention the coach was embarrassing in press conferences.
We had no choice. We had to trade out those players for picks. Some on here were advocating going harder too.
The hardest part of this rebuild was always going to be transforming the club culture and I think we are seeing that now and it's echoed in the faithful being so confident that they're right and the coach is hopeless. Think about it. We all hate seeing this mess we are in,but there is no way our blokes kick 4 in a row if they weren't trying and odds are any lack of effort stems from an inability to see how they can possibly win with half a side under the age of 21.
Cookie......That's why I said if we weren't so crap
I gave us no chance the last 2 weeks as both those teams in the past even when we fielded stronger sides troubled us with leg speed. Hawks are older and definitely slower.
If and its a massive IF Kreuzer plays the full game and Murphy gets some form back I reckon Cripps and Fish will give our forwards mainly Charlie a lot of chances. Plus there is no Silicy intercepting too which is a big loss for them.
Not a massive fan of Mitchell yes he gets it heaps but don't think he hurts teams like Smith, Shiels and O'meara. Need to put work into them.
Oh and if the MC is serious and don't select Garlett or Polson our chances in this one increase further. S
Still despite all this im not overly confident but reckon we are a better chance then previous weeks as we are getting these pr1cks at a good time.
Polson isnt a good player but he gives us effort, which is better than what the others get to.
Garlett has the ability, and if you watched him pr-game on saturday night, he was slotting them from everywhere.
I also don't think we have too many fit bodies to bring in, so I don't see the logic of dropping him when all you're going to end up with is Nick Graham.
I think at this point, all you can do is reward players showing workrate if not impact (Polson) and put games into blokes with ability (Garlett) and reward triers who are doing the right things they get dropped and call this a culture setting year.
Screw playing to win. We need to play to set our footy club up.
Northern Blues Goal Kickers: C. McCabe 2, N. Graham 2, K. LeBois 2, M. Lobbe, A. Mullett, T. Wilson Best Players: J. Hill, M. Lobbe, N. Graham, C. Byrne, J. Palmer, C. McCabe
Williamstown Goal Kickers: N. Rodda 5, B. Cavarra 2, S. Dunell 2, L. Masters 2, M. Norton, J. Pickess, A. Marcon Best Players: M. Gibbons, J. Tippett, B. Cavarra, S. Dunell, L. Buckwell, L. Schultz
I had a beer with Sam Dunell on Friday night at the game in a corporate box. Nice guy.
I think you're reading something that isn't there. He does some good things and has an instinct for a goal but he doesn't get involved enough in the game and has periods where he becomes almost invisible. I don't think that it's a lack of effort, maybe he's just not up to it.
Don't call it a lack of effort because that's not what I'm saying.
Blokes who play footy don't go at half rat power when the game is going.
What does happen though, is that they don't come to play. Hence why they become invisible and not involved in the game.
Hence why he does some good things. Competitive instincts kick in, and off he goes. Then at some point, guys who aren't putting in the requisite effort or are spraying the footy, turning it over, let the team down, and young players drop their heads. They think to themselves what am I doing here, and they get DISTRACTED.
They start questioning themselves, where they are playing, the journey, and their careers wondering whether or not they might be better off in another team.
All whilst a game is playing.
I would rather attribute it to a lack of focus, rather than a lack of effort.
Calling it a lack of effort is implying they don't care or don't try, which is not quite the same thing as what I am suggesting.
Considering where our footy club is at, and where it has been, I wouldn't be surprised if all of it simply results in a lack of belief.
If anyone wants to see what a lack of belief does to a football club, have a look at Richmond FC and Collingwood. Collingwood is still unable to win a premiership in September and that goes back to the "colliwobble" and goes over many generations of players, but is still true today.
Richmond, have a mental block that they only got over a year ago, and look at them now, they are completely unstoppable.
I'm more than happy with O'Brien. He's in his first season and isn't physically mature, at the moment he looks like a boy against men. He shows plenty IMO but I don't think that he'll have a real impact until 2020. Cunningham is more of a worry even though he's injured at present, he looks further off the pace than O'Brien to me.
+1
Cunningham is a worry not because he isnt good enough, but because he looks like he'd rather not be here.
It might explain why he didnt play more football even when he was fit.
Barb - saw both at the game and the right decisions were made - Simpson was trying to get it down the middle as far as he could, dunno what Daisy was thinking!
There have probably been two such decisions for the year! Players are getting away with a lot more regarding fifty metre penalties not being paid for knocking the ball out of hands, and being late to the contest as well.
As a curiosity, we had a fifty paid against us where the interchange bench was. Does anyone know if it was paid because a player coming onto the ground encroached the 10m zone? If so, what a ridiculous rule - surely if they are not part of the play, who cares where they are - amend the rule so that you can be close, but not interfere in the play, if you do 50m.
Player coming off the ground encroached.
This decision is partly why we are where we are at regarding issues with rules.
No game sense from the umpires. If someone isn't intefering with the bloke taking the kick, then maybe let it go. I understand we don't want people going into the protected area for various reasons such as putting the kicker off, or perhaps finding an advantage to tackle when the opportunity presents but players coming off and on the ground through the designated interchange leaves people with few options. 1. Take an extremely wide berth to interchange, or 2. Wait until after the kick has been taken.
